(03-23-2015 11:26 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 08:41 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  The way Doc has built this program with depth, I fully expect us to win the East again and play in the CUSA Championship game.

Until i see our QB play, I would slot WKU as the favorite to win the east. Some of you seem to be underestimating the importance of the QB position. How quickly we forget how it had been about a decade between leftwich (and winning) and Cato (winning) with a whole lot of losing in between and a whole lot of mediocre QBs that had alot to do with it. (Not taking anything away from Snyder, he deserves credit there too...)

And some of you are forgetting WKU had no defense, and defense wins championships

(03-23-2015 11:50 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 11:26 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  How quickly we forget how it had been about a decade between leftwich (and winning) and Cato (winning) with a whole lot of losing in between and a whole lot of mediocre QBs that had alot to do with it. (Not taking anything away from Snyder, he deserves credit there too...)

Stan Hill would have been in the NFL had he not tore his knee up in the Tennessee game.

Bernard Morris should have never had to split time with Jimmy Skinner. If he would have played full time he would have def. overtaken Michael Payton's numbers and most likey pushed for Byron's.

AJ Grahm had NFL Talent written all over him and would have kept Cato on the bench until he was a Jr. had he loved football more than weed at the time.

Also I would have loved to have seen Mark Cann with a proper QB coach. The guy had it all at 6'4 232 pounds and a Cannon for an arm.

Its not that we haven't had good to great QBs in between Leftwich and Cato, we have. But for them they were unlucky for some reason or another, if it be injury, not used correctly or just didn't have their head on straight.

Mark Cann quit football and decided it would be better to be a backup QB then a starter.

AJ Graham is a big disappointment, all world talent that was smoked away(Pun intended). If he took football and leadership as serious as Cato did, we would be looking at Cato starting his first season this year

(03-24-2015 03:17 AM)Herd_fever Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 03:44 PM)banker Wrote:  Gunnar Holcolmbe - last year's backup, saw playing time in 9 games in 4th quarter mop up duty. He'll be a RS Jr.

Michael Birdsong - transfer from JMU where he started for the last year and a half. Left for Marshall when they got a new head coach who changed the scheme. Big kid, 6'5", 235. Big arm, more mobile than you would think.

Cole Garvin - RS Fr.

Chase Litton - Fr who is here for spring ball. 6'6", 215. Most think he's the future, but they all are until you see them play. His tape is very good.

Most believe it's between Birdsong and Litton (because of his film). Personally, I think it's between Birdsong and Holcombe. Birdsong ran the scout team all last year while sitting out due to transfer. I saw him in several practices and he has a Leftwich type arm, i.e. He can throw a 30 yard out like a frozen rope. He threw too many interceptions at JMU is the only knock. Was a gunslinger, don't know if that can be changed.

As far as the rest of the offense, all RBs are back, we lost Shuler at WR, but that position is loaded. We return 2 RS So in McManus and Jean Louis that had productive first years, Allen is back and he was killing it on the outside before an injury, Foster replaces Shuler and he had a great fr season backing up Tommy. TE will be So Yurachek. He played extensively last year behind Fronaphal, who graduated. Offensive line lost two key players but returns 3 starters and 4 others that saw action in at least 10 games. We had some injuries last year, and some blow outs, so the backups saw a lot of action. Biggest loss is Jasperse at center, Selby will slide over from guard to play center this year.

Defense we lost three starters on the Dline, with Rouse as the biggest lose. The good thing is that we rotated 9 on the line last year and generally no one played more than 40 snaps. We add a transfer from UCF who was starting for them as a true freshman. LBer took a huge hit as both Holmes and Hewitt graduated. We pick up a transfer from Maryland that sat out last year and have Hunter back. Also, McKelvey should be back, lost him to an ACL in the ODU game. The only loss in the defensive backfield is Roberts. That's a big loss as he was our boundary corner and we always left him on an island. Will probably move Tindal to the boundary for this season.

Overall I think we will still be very athletic with a ton of speed, but we will need some guys to step up and fill the shoes of guys we lost. I think most Herd fans would tell you that we expect to win 9-10 games, just won't see the margin of victory we had last year. If we get good QB play we should be in the hunt for the east again.

Roberts was the boundary corner correct, but that means he played on the shorter side of the field. The field corner is on the island and that should be Baxter this year unless we move him to the boundary

You've got it backwards. The boundary corner is the #1 corner that is often left on the island.

Teams like to put trips to the field with a lone wr in the boundary to force 1 on 1 situations.

Field corner is MUCH easier to play than boundary imo.

(03-23-2015 09:38 PM)banker Wrote:  I wouldn't say we should expect to win the east, but I certainly think we can compete heavily for it. Road games at Middle and WKU will be tough.

This. WKU is the clear favorite. But if we stay healthy and get solid play from the lines and QB, we can compete. Those two road games are the big obstacles. I too see 9-10 wins and a bowl win.

(03-24-2015 03:24 AM)Herd_fever Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 11:26 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 08:41 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  The way Doc has built this program with depth, I fully expect us to win the East again and play in the CUSA Championship game.

Until i see our QB play, I would slot WKU as the favorite to win the east. Some of you seem to be underestimating the importance of the QB position. How quickly we forget how it had been about a decade between leftwich (and winning) and Cato (winning) with a whole lot of losing in between and a whole lot of mediocre QBs that had alot to do with it. (Not taking anything away from Snyder, he deserves credit there too...)

And some of you are forgetting WKU had no defense, and defense wins championships

Neither did we that game.

But we did all season.

And boundary is not the #1 corner, it's your most physical corner. It just so happened our most phsyical corner was our best corner. But Boundary short side, and field, well like it sounds is the wide side.

Watch the WKU and the FAU game, everything went to the wide side and it somewhat exposed our defense.

(03-24-2015 07:19 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 09:38 PM)banker Wrote:  I wouldn't say we should expect to win the east, but I certainly think we can compete heavily for it. Road games at Middle and WKU will be tough.

This. WKU is the clear favorite. But if we stay healthy and get solid play from the lines and QB, we can compete. Those two road games are the big obstacles. I too see 9-10 wins and a bowl win.

I have to disagree. We are the defending Champs and we bring a bunch back. I think we are the favorite until proven otherwise.

2x defending East champs. 2 divisonal loses in the last 2 years by a combined total of 2 points

(03-24-2015 09:33 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 07:19 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 09:38 PM)banker Wrote:  I wouldn't say we should expect to win the east, but I certainly think we can compete heavily for it. Road games at Middle and WKU will be tough.

This. WKU is the clear favorite. But if we stay healthy and get solid play from the lines and QB, we can compete. Those two road games are the big obstacles. I too see 9-10 wins and a bowl win.

I have to disagree. We are the defending Champs and we bring a bunch back. I think we are the favorite until proven otherwise.

We came into CUSA and beat the champions from the previous season. I love the confidence level, but I personally think La Tech and WKU are the favorites this coming season.

(03-24-2015 09:38 AM)Herd_fever Wrote:  2x defending East champs. 2 divisonal loses in the last 2 years by a combined total of 2 points

Very good points and I agree.

I was walking by the Joan and realized the new goal post. Did we ever get fined for the celebration during the Championship Game.

(03-24-2015 03:27 AM)Herd_fever Wrote:  Mark Cann quit football and decided it would be better to be a backup QB then a starter.

AJ Graham is a big disappointment, all world talent that was smoked away(Pun intended). If he took football and leadership as serious as Cato did, we would be looking at Cato starting his first season this year

What a dumb*** you are. Mark Cann left the team after Snyder took the starting job and gave it to Brian Anderson and then promptly put Cann 4th on the depth chart.

BTW just to let you know, Cann has a degree from Marshall and played baseball at Marshall for 2 years.

Not all of the losing from 05-09 was Snyder's fault, most of it had to do with the 30 scholarship reduction. But this was one of Snyder's mistakes.

Also you should keep your mouth shut. The more you open it and post the more awful you look and the more Blew and Yeller comes out of your mouth.

(03-24-2015 08:52 AM)Herd_fever Wrote:  But we did all season.

And boundary is not the #1 corner, it's your most physical corner. It just so happened our most phsyical corner was our best corner. But Boundary short side, and field, well like it sounds is the wide side.

Watch the WKU and the FAU game, everything went to the wide side and it somewhat exposed our defense.

You are free to think whatever you want to, but I can tell you that 90% of time (maybe more) your #1 corner is your boundary corner.

Your field corner is never going to be stuck on an island, unless you have called a blitz (which you as the coach can dictate.) Your boundary corner is on an island a lot more, and can be forced onto an island by the formation of the offense.

Also, more teams will run into the boundary than the wide side of the field, so your boundary corner is going to have to come up and make tackles more often as well.

Other teams (such as WKU and FAU) attacking the field was smart on their part. Attack Tindal to the field, or Roberts in the boundary, I know where I would try to attack the defense. Not sure what you are trying to get at with this part of the comment.

(03-24-2015 09:33 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 07:19 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 09:38 PM)banker Wrote:  I wouldn't say we should expect to win the east, but I certainly think we can compete heavily for it. Road games at Middle and WKU will be tough.

This. WKU is the clear favorite. But if we stay healthy and get solid play from the lines and QB, we can compete. Those two road games are the big obstacles. I too see 9-10 wins and a bowl win.

I have to disagree. We are the defending Champs and we bring a bunch back. I think we are the favorite until proven otherwise.

I agree....and it took 4 INTs for WKU to beat us by 1 point in overtime....in a game where DJ didn't get to play much.

WKU was better than Marshall during the game last year, plain and simple. They wanted it more, and went for the win. That was only ONE opponent though. The team we have in play this year looks to be pretty darn good. I don't like making predictions, but I have to believe that Marshall will in the mix come November.

Not taking anything from WKU and their QB but its only fair to mention that the #3 RB in the country only got 7 total carries vs UAB, WKU and LT. Ditto the 5 Marshall TOs. But it was at Marshall which is a point the other way. We'll see.

Oh, no doubt WKU earned the win that day.

I'm not saying that.

Football is a team sport and you have to play with what you have each week.

But if you want to tell the whole story then I think its fair to point out that our beast of a RB didn't play and that our QB threw multiple INTs in the game......we still only lost by 1 point in OT.

(03-24-2015 11:08 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-24-2015 03:27 AM)Herd_fever Wrote:  Mark Cann quit football and decided it would be better to be a backup QB then a starter.

AJ Graham is a big disappointment, all world talent that was smoked away(Pun intended). If he took football and leadership as serious as Cato did, we would be looking at Cato starting his first season this year

What a dumb*** you are. Mark Cann left the team after Snyder took the starting job and gave it to Brian Anderson and then promptly put Cann 4th on the depth chart.

BTW just to let you know, Cann has a degree from Marshall and played baseball at Marshall for 2 years.

Not all of the losing from 05-09 was Snyder's fault, most of it had to do with the 30 scholarship reduction. But this was one of Snyder's mistakes.

Also you should keep your mouth shut. The more you open it and post the more awful you look and the more Blew and Yeller comes out of your mouth.

Hey Dumb ass Mark Cann was still around when Doc took over. And Mark Cann was shell shocked after starting for 1 year and had no interest starting again

TROLL FIGHT!!!!!

(03-23-2015 11:50 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-23-2015 11:26 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  How quickly we forget how it had been about a decade between leftwich (and winning) and Cato (winning) with a whole lot of losing in between and a whole lot of mediocre QBs that had alot to do with it. (Not taking anything away from Snyder, he deserves credit there too...)

Stan Hill would have been in the NFL had he not tore his knee up in the Tennessee game.

Bernard Morris should have never had to split time with Jimmy Skinner. If he would have played full time he would have def. overtaken Michael Payton's numbers and most likey pushed for Byron's.

AJ Grahm had NFL Talent written all over him and would have kept Cato on the bench until he was a Jr. had he loved football more than weed at the time.

Also I would have loved to have seen Mark Cann with a proper QB coach. The guy had it all at 6'4 232 pounds and a Cannon for an arm.

Its not that we haven't had good to great QBs in between Leftwich and Cato, we have. But for them they were unlucky for some reason or another, if it be injury, not used correctly or just didn't have their head on straight.

Little revisionist history here. Graham barely made a splash at a lower level. He couldnt hit the broadside of a barn with a football.

Cann is famous for signs. Namely the ones that said "Mark Can't!" and "Trash Cann!" That floated around because the kid could throw it a mile but it was rarely within 6 yards of a receiver. And lol at Bernie overtaking byron.... Morris could have been a decent QB but he was always timid in the pocket and ran. He was AVERAGE.

Skinner also sucked. This woulda coulda shoulda crap is just speculation.