(03-20-2015 03:57 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 11:45 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  travel cost are often not a product of the distance traveled rather they are a factor of access and facilities dedicated to travel and the utilization rate of those facilities and how close the university is to those facilities

and if a program is relying on the ticket sales of the fans of the team they are playing they might as well drop down to D1-AA and they should for sure give up on the dream of ever being in a P5 conference or a candidate to be in a P5 conference member

same goes for those that say "their fans" will show up to see "their team" as soon as "their team" is playing a team "their fans" actually want to see play

looking at travel cost and the ease of travel for opposing fans is small time ever more mid major thinking at its finest

So, where's the confusion? We're G5for a reason and it's because we don't have the numbers of P5 programs. Why is it immasculating that we need to depend on visiting fans? G5 programs don't fit the P5 mold. The sooner we can get over that fact, the better off we'll be. We can't depend on fans we don't have to magically appear.

You nailed it. There's some serious inferiority complex in this thread.

(03-20-2015 08:54 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 08:50 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 03:54 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  The 16-team WAC should be a cautionary tale to all those in favor of a 16 team conference. I don't even like the 14 team model.

The WAC 16 would have worked if it was able to split into 8 team divisions naturally. That wasn't going to happen and hence the whole heartburn about the conference and the split.

Define naturally? The Pod system didn't appear to work.

Pods didn't work because in a pod system, the only teams you are guaranteed to play every year are the other teams in your own pod. In the old WAC-16 there was a group of 5 teams that demanded to play one another each year (BYU, Utah, Colorado St, Wyoming, Air Force). There was no way for them to be in the same 4-team pod. Interestingly, today a 16 team MW with pods would probably be fine. BYU and Utah are no longer part of the dynamic. There are no 5 team groups that must play every year. As long as Air Force, Wyoming, and Colorado St are in the same pod, I doubt the system would be a problem. The same would apply to "natural" in building 8-team divisions of the old WAC-16. As long as the 5 named schools were in the same division, the WAC-16 would have survived. The reason the pod system was implemented was because a lot of schools liked playing BYU and the 8 schools not placed in BYU's division wanted a system that placed BYU on their schedule more often than the simple 2-division structure allowed.

(03-20-2015 09:16 AM)Fitbum Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 03:57 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 11:45 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  travel cost are often not a product of the distance traveled rather they are a factor of access and facilities dedicated to travel and the utilization rate of those facilities and how close the university is to those facilities

and if a program is relying on the ticket sales of the fans of the team they are playing they might as well drop down to D1-AA and they should for sure give up on the dream of ever being in a P5 conference or a candidate to be in a P5 conference member

same goes for those that say "their fans" will show up to see "their team" as soon as "their team" is playing a team "their fans" actually want to see play

looking at travel cost and the ease of travel for opposing fans is small time ever more mid major thinking at its finest

So, where's the confusion? We're G5for a reason and it's because we don't have the numbers of P5 programs. Why is it immasculating that we need to depend on visiting fans? G5 programs don't fit the P5 mold. The sooner we can get over that fact, the better off we'll be. We can't depend on fans we don't have to magically appear.

You nailed it. There's some serious inferiority complex in this thread.

Nothing says superiority than having to use an emoticon to make your own point. People will reply if they think your post is correct and/or funny. Hey, enjoy your self high five.

(03-19-2015 10:56 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  Egos are what gets in the way of the G5 simply dividing itself along geographical lines.

I'm all for blowing it up and starting over. There are enough schools and enough acreage from border to border and sea to shining sea to have a handful of conferences big enough to have TV appeal yet be a little more sensible geographically than the ones that exist now. That's a whole different debate than simply splitting an existing conference in half.

Quote:It's a balancing act. The TV payout is a little smaller, but the increased ticket sales a less travel hopefully makes up for it.

A lot is riding on this next TV negotiation. If it doesn't come in at over $1 million per school, CUSA as we know it won't be long for this world.

(03-20-2015 08:58 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Once they are together long enough, I'd like to see ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, MTSU, and WKU split off and form a new conference, adding App State and 2 others that make geographic sense. Hopefully by then UConn, Memphis and Cincy will be out of the AAC so ECU, Navy, and Temple would be up for joining along with UAB for basketball. You'd have 8-9 football schools so you could play everyone every season and only 9-10 basketball schools for one NCAA autobid. No more trips across the country. No more high school gyms. Less dead weight dragging everyone down.

Yeah, me too. Since you were "stolen" from such a reputable conference it's only fitting that you as "leader" would start a new conference. Remember you joined us peons not the other way around.

Go why don'tcha.

Your ego is so large that immediately you think those other schools would jump at your invitation. ODU, at one time before you coming on board I thought it was a trucking company, ODU Express.

(03-19-2015 10:56 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  Egos are what gets in the way of the G5 simply dividing itself along geographical lines. What we should be working toward in CUSA is a model that increasees gameday revenue so much that the slight decrease in TV payout is marginalized. It's a balancing act. The TV payout is a little smaller, but the increased ticket sales a less travel hopefully makes up for it. With all this being said, I hope UTEP always stays and UAB brings back football. We can build whatever from there.

Ego matters but if you are competing for fans, recruits, and media attention in an area served by the same TV and radio stations and same newspapers it could be argued it is an economic matter as well.

(03-20-2015 12:33 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 08:58 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Once they are together long enough, I'd like to see ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, MTSU, and WKU split off and form a new conference, adding App State and 2 others that make geographic sense. Hopefully by then UConn, Memphis and Cincy will be out of the AAC so ECU, Navy, and Temple would be up for joining along with UAB for basketball. You'd have 8-9 football schools so you could play everyone every season and only 9-10 basketball schools for one NCAA autobid. No more trips across the country. No more high school gyms. Less dead weight dragging everyone down.

Yeah, me too. Since you were "stolen" from such a reputable conference it's only fitting that you as "leader" would start a new conference. Remember you joined us peons not the other way around.

Go why don'tcha.

Your ego is so large that immediately you think those other schools would jump at your invitation. ODU, at one time before you coming on board I thought it was a trucking company, ODU Express.

^ Coming from a satilite campus.

Oh, and you're saying UT-Austin is under your school too because they're also a satellite campus. You're not very astute my friend.

(03-20-2015 12:56 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Oh, and you're saying UT-Austin is under your school too because they're also a satellite campus. You're not very astute my friend.

My point is we don't belong in the same conference. I am sure about as many people in El Paso give a schit about ODU as people in Norfolk give a schit about UTEP. Hopefully the realignment train starts up and is kinder to all of us, because unless we are playing UT-Austin or you are playing Virginia Tech, far flung conferences just don't make sense. I'm beginning to think the whole notion of the 16 team superconference as being the wave of the future was just floated as a P5 poker move to bankrupt everyone else.

If you don't belong in the same conference You shouldn't have joined. Simple, huh?

(03-20-2015 12:51 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 12:33 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 08:58 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Once they are together long enough, I'd like to see ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, MTSU, and WKU split off and form a new conference, adding App State and 2 others that make geographic sense. Hopefully by then UConn, Memphis and Cincy will be out of the AAC so ECU, Navy, and Temple would be up for joining along with UAB for basketball. You'd have 8-9 football schools so you could play everyone every season and only 9-10 basketball schools for one NCAA autobid. No more trips across the country. No more high school gyms. Less dead weight dragging everyone down.

Yeah, me too. Since you were "stolen" from such a reputable conference it's only fitting that you as "leader" would start a new conference. Remember you joined us peons not the other way around.

Go why don'tcha.

Your ego is so large that immediately you think those other schools would jump at your invitation. ODU, at one time before you coming on board I thought it was a trucking company, ODU Express.

^ Coming from a satilite campus.

considering that ODU started out as the Norfolk division of William and Mary and UTEP started as an independent university and not a branch campus of any university system much less a division of another university I am not sure what you consider a "satilite" (satellite) campus, but UTEP would not be one

(03-20-2015 01:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  If you don't belong in the same conference You shouldn't have joined. Simple, huh?

Maybe not, but that's another debate. Hope your AD can get you into the Mountain West, you'd be a good fit.

(03-20-2015 01:13 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 12:51 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 12:33 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 08:58 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Once they are together long enough, I'd like to see ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, MTSU, and WKU split off and form a new conference, adding App State and 2 others that make geographic sense. Hopefully by then UConn, Memphis and Cincy will be out of the AAC so ECU, Navy, and Temple would be up for joining along with UAB for basketball. You'd have 8-9 football schools so you could play everyone every season and only 9-10 basketball schools for one NCAA autobid. No more trips across the country. No more high school gyms. Less dead weight dragging everyone down.

Yeah, me too. Since you were "stolen" from such a reputable conference it's only fitting that you as "leader" would start a new conference. Remember you joined us peons not the other way around.

Go why don'tcha.

Your ego is so large that immediately you think those other schools would jump at your invitation. ODU, at one time before you coming on board I thought it was a trucking company, ODU Express.

^ Coming from a satilite campus.

considering that ODU started out as the Norfolk division of William and Mary and UTEP started as an independent university and not a branch campus of any university system much less a division of another university I am not sure what you consider a "satilite" (satellite) campus, but UTEP would not be one

That would be a great point except it isn't 1930.

(03-20-2015 01:43 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 01:13 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 12:51 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 12:33 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 08:58 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Once they are together long enough, I'd like to see ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, MTSU, and WKU split off and form a new conference, adding App State and 2 others that make geographic sense. Hopefully by then UConn, Memphis and Cincy will be out of the AAC so ECU, Navy, and Temple would be up for joining along with UAB for basketball. You'd have 8-9 football schools so you could play everyone every season and only 9-10 basketball schools for one NCAA autobid. No more trips across the country. No more high school gyms. Less dead weight dragging everyone down.

Yeah, me too. Since you were "stolen" from such a reputable conference it's only fitting that you as "leader" would start a new conference. Remember you joined us peons not the other way around.

Go why don'tcha.

Your ego is so large that immediately you think those other schools would jump at your invitation. ODU, at one time before you coming on board I thought it was a trucking company, ODU Express.

^ Coming from a satilite campus.

considering that ODU started out as the Norfolk division of William and Mary and UTEP started as an independent university and not a branch campus of any university system much less a division of another university I am not sure what you consider a "satilite" (satellite) campus, but UTEP would not be one

That would be a great point except it isn't 1930.

and that would even be a point other than ODU did not actually award their first degree until 1956 and they did not become a "college" until 1962 and a university until 1969

UTEP was and always has been a full free standing university long before that

(03-20-2015 01:42 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 01:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  If you don't belong in the same conference You shouldn't have joined. Simple, huh?

Maybe not, but that's another debate. Hope your AD can get you into the Mountain West, you'd be a good fit.

I would much rather keep UTEP and get rid of ODU. We here in the West division have much more in common with them than with Eastern schools.

(03-20-2015 02:09 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 01:42 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 01:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  If you don't belong in the same conference You shouldn't have joined. Simple, huh?

Maybe not, but that's another debate. Hope your AD can get you into the Mountain West, you'd be a good fit.

I would much rather keep UTEP and get rid of ODU. We here in the West division have much more in common with them than with Eastern schools.

You are probably right. Don't worry, though, we'll be gone or you will be gone. Not sustainable as it stands. Already lost UAB, how many more are going to do the same?

(03-20-2015 02:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 02:09 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 01:42 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 01:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  If you don't belong in the same conference You shouldn't have joined. Simple, huh?

Maybe not, but that's another debate. Hope your AD can get you into the Mountain West, you'd be a good fit.

I would much rather keep UTEP and get rid of ODU. We here in the West division have much more in common with them than with Eastern schools.

You are probably right. Don't worry, though, we'll be gone or you will be gone. Not sustainable as it stands. Already lost UAB, how many more are going to do the same?

I would love a amicable divorce from the East division. I rarely agree with any of their fans and prefer playing teams in the Central time zone.

(03-20-2015 02:09 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 01:42 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 01:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  If you don't belong in the same conference You shouldn't have joined. Simple, huh?

Maybe not, but that's another debate. Hope your AD can get you into the Mountain West, you'd be a good fit.

I would much rather keep UTEP and get rid of ODU. We here in the West division have much more in common with them than with Eastern schools.

I think that was his point. Personally I like having a Western division but could certainly see a split happening in the future.

(03-20-2015 02:22 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 02:09 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 01:42 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 01:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  If you don't belong in the same conference You shouldn't have joined. Simple, huh?

Maybe not, but that's another debate. Hope your AD can get you into the Mountain West, you'd be a good fit.

I would much rather keep UTEP and get rid of ODU. We here in the West division have much more in common with them than with Eastern schools.

I think that was his point. Personally I like having a Western division but could certainly see a split happening in the future.

Agreed.

(03-20-2015 07:12 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(03-20-2015 03:57 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 11:45 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  travel cost are often not a product of the distance traveled rather they are a factor of access and facilities dedicated to travel and the utilization rate of those facilities and how close the university is to those facilities

and if a program is relying on the ticket sales of the fans of the team they are playing they might as well drop down to D1-AA and they should for sure give up on the dream of ever being in a P5 conference or a candidate to be in a P5 conference member

same goes for those that say "their fans" will show up to see "their team" as soon as "their team" is playing a team "their fans" actually want to see play

looking at travel cost and the ease of travel for opposing fans is small time ever more mid major thinking at its finest

So, where's the confusion? We're G5for a reason and it's because we don't have the numbers of P5 programs. Why is it immasculating that we need to depend on visiting fans? G5 programs don't fit the P5 mold. The sooner we can get over that fact, the better off we'll be. We can't depend on fans we don't have to magically appear.

the confusion is where some thought that others were interested in actually still trying to better their program instead of tossing in the towel and hoping that if D1-A ever splits it will be 80 teams and that a team you cheer for might be one of the 80

the confusion is also where some believe that teams not in the P5 can still accomplish things like going to an access bowl regularly or perhaps getting into the playoffs or an expanded 8 team playoff instead of going ahead and giving up one season in

it will not be easy for sure, but it would be better than just tossing in with the closest 15 other teams and hoping that all the other G5 programs give up as well (highly unlikely) and make very similar stupid conference moves and affiliations and then all waiting to be left behind or if not left behind simply used as buy in home game win fodder

have some balls and lose the fat

toss in with 7 or 8 at (the most) other teams across 3 time zones and schedule 7 conference games and 5 OOC games and go out there and generate wins and bowl appearances at all cost and build on that until schedules can be improved and strengthened as winning against anything with a pulse attracts better recruits and better fan support

stop thinking that the crap around the corner that barely attracts fans to their own games will bring major fans to your games and quit trying to save a dollar or two on travel while playing losers from around the way

You're overreacting. I'm talking about something that saves universities money while also creating more fan interest, which leads to higher attendance. That's all. It makes perfect sense to me. No one is "throwing in the towel " or giving up. There are several G5 members who will be shutting down football soon because they can't generate enough revenue.