57, the glory years that you long for are gone. So much more talent at schools like NIU. NIU may not be better but so many other mid-majors are! So much more talent in the MAC. What does coaches salaries have to do with anything? No one made NIU pay Monty or any of its coaches what they pay them.

(03-19-2015 04:07 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 03:48 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 10:44 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

You are equating seed number with quality of team which is faulty. The MAC is designated a certain seed, it doesn't mater how good or bad that particular MAC team is. Just how saying a conference is a 1-bid conference is more of a statement on the way teams are selected, and doesn't relate to performance or quality of teams. That is in large part the problem with college athletics, awards and post-season matchup are not based on ON THE FIELD/COURT performance, but rather handed out as birthrights.

How does that make any sense? 2008 Kent State team was a 9 seed in the tourney. Kent had wins over St. Mary's, St. Louis, Illinois State, and George Mason OOC. The team was also briefly ranked in the top 25. That was a good team, probably the best the MAC has seen in a decade. If a MAC team can actually win against real competition out of conference then the seed for the MAC team will improve come tourney time. Its how an MVC or WCC team can get a #2 seed. Your resume dictates your seed. It's no secret the MAC has struggled with scheduling for years now. Winning big OOC games is the secret formula here.

(03-19-2015 04:30 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 04:07 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 03:48 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 10:44 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

You are equating seed number with quality of team which is faulty. The MAC is designated a certain seed, it doesn't mater how good or bad that particular MAC team is. Just how saying a conference is a 1-bid conference is more of a statement on the way teams are selected, and doesn't relate to performance or quality of teams. That is in large part the problem with college athletics, awards and post-season matchup are not based on ON THE FIELD/COURT performance, but rather handed out as birthrights.

How does that make any sense? 2008 Kent State team was a 9 seed in the tourney. Kent had wins over St. Mary's, St. Louis, Illinois State, and George Mason OOC. The team was also briefly ranked in the top 25. That was a good team, probably the best the MAC has seen in a decade. If a MAC team can actually win against real competition out of conference then the seed for the MAC team will improve come tourney time. Its how an MVC or WCC team can get a #2 seed. Your resume dictates your seed. It's no secret the MAC has struggled with scheduling for years now. Winning big OOC games is the secret formula here.

SMU bounced in the first round, tough showing for the AAC

And performance means very little to where you seeded, especially for seeds 5-12, those are given for what your name is, not what you have done.

(03-19-2015 04:19 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  57, the glory years that you long for are gone. So much more talent at schools like NIU. NIU may not be better but so many other mid-majors are! So much more talent in the MAC. What does coaches salaries have to do with anything? No one made NIU pay Monty or any of its coaches what they pay them.

--Talent is relative. There is no one on this current team as talented as a T.J. Lux.
--So if you admit "NIU may not be better but so many other mid-majors are" then something needs to change.
--Sorry, but there is not "more talent in the MAC." There isn't a Wally Szczerbiak, Bonzi Wells, etc.
--What does coaches salaries have to with anything? Just like the economy, salaries for coaches and assistants keep rising but you're not getting the return on the investment. Montgomery couldn't hold John McDougal's jockstrap when it comes to strategy. NIU needs to find people worthy of the salaries, and yes, four years of losing seasons under Montgomery is enough especially when the fifth year -- at best -- promises a slight rise above .500. We not only played but even hosted schools like Marquette, Wisconsin, Southern Illinois, Northwestern, Bradley, Iowa in men's basketball while the women hosted Top 25 programs like Tennessee, Old Dominion, North Carolina State, DePaul / So you tell me what's gone wrong with this picture.
--You tell me "the glory years you long for are long-gone." No s*** Sherlock! Excuse me for wanting the basketball programs be successful like the football program -- on second thought, I'd settle for competitive. A long-time assistant at a major school just coached UAB to a first-round NCAA upset in his third season. Yeah, Monty inherited crap; yeah, players got hurt; yeah, the MAC referees are against us; yeah, 3,000-4,000 could be in the Convo which was supposed to make those 5,000 to 6,000-plus Evans Field House crowds history.

And yes, thxjoenovak, you are right, I am as foolish as a dog chasing a parked car. I cannot believe why the selection committee pulls seeds out of a hat with no analysis, thought, knowledge or wisdom like MD would do instead of being based on "what your name is, not what you have done." Stupid me, when I think NCAA basketball tournament teams I never think of North Carolina, Indiana, Ohio State, UCLA, St. Johns, Michigan State, Butler, North Carolina State, or a Louisville until after I think of Iowa State, since they did reach the Final Four in 1944.

(03-18-2015 10:44 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 09:56 PM)OldTtimeNIU Wrote:  Post season so far.....we are not that good....

NIT...no one cares about including the players. Don't judge anything on a few NIT/CBI/or whatever they are called games. It doesn't change the fact the MAC was a top 10 national conference this year. It would be huge to see Buffalo pull of an upset.

Really? No one cares? You would be making a stupid prediction thread if NIU was in the CBI. MAC basketball sucks. It has sucked for a long time. It is not fun to watch in the slightest. The MAC is not even close to the Valley when it comes to fans, entertainment and teams.

The MAC is bad at basketball. Why is this even a discussion?

Is the MAC good at any sport?

(03-19-2015 07:17 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Is the MAC good at any sport?

Wrestling and NIU is good at football

The MAC, not one team. Also, I didn't think NIU was good in wrestling?

(03-19-2015 07:41 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  The MAC, not one team. Also, I didn't think NIU was good in wrestling?

Missouri is in the MAC for wrestling and they are #1 in the Nation. But if it's the whole conference, then no, the MAC isn't that great at anything. Pretty good football, pretty good volleyball, occasionally good soccer. But no, not anything to write home about in any sport I guess.

The MAC is just above the Sunbelt in football. I don't think many would say its a good football conference.

(03-19-2015 07:49 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  The MAC is just above the Sunbelt in football. I don't think many would say its a good football conference.

yeah, you're right.

If a opportunity comes for NIU to leave, they will. I believe the Huskies would go any where but the Sunbelt.

(03-19-2015 07:07 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  The MAC is bad at basketball. Why is this even a discussion?

Not this year it was not at least, 2nd mid major/10th nationally is not a bad year for the MAC.

(03-19-2015 08:56 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 07:07 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  The MAC is bad at basketball. Why is this even a discussion?

Not this year it was not at least, 2nd mid major/10th nationally is not a bad year for the MAC.

1st question, How many bids did the MAC get this year? One
2nd question, How many bids did the "worse" conferences of Missouri Valley, AAC, MW, West Coast, A10 get? More than One.
3rd question, How many wins did the MAC get over a ranked opponent? None.
4th question, How is the MAC doing in the NIT/CBI/CIT doing? Horrible, BG, EMU,CMU,WMU, all lost already. Kent State is the only team alive.

MAC basketball is not good, but it did improve.

(03-19-2015 08:56 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 07:07 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  The MAC is bad at basketball. Why is this even a discussion?

Not this year it was not at least, 2nd mid major/10th nationally is not a bad year for the MAC.

No. They were bad. You are delusional.

I know facts are a tricky thing and you can throw around words like sucks and bad all you want, the facts do not support your argument. There are 33 conferences in college basketball I think, the MAC is 10 of 33 this past year, that is what the stats/rankings say. Don't shoot the messenger, just relaying facts.

How I think next year's MAC West basketball standings will shape up by the end of the year:

1) Central Michigan
2) Western Michigan
3) NIU
4) Ball State
5) Eastern Michigan
6) Toledo

Next year we will have either a CMU/Buffalo rematch or a CMU/Akron championship game.

(03-19-2015 10:44 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I know facts are a tricky thing and you can throw around words like sucks and bad all you want, the facts do not support your argument. There are 33 conferences in college basketball I think, the MAC is 10 of 33 this past year, that is what the stats/rankings say. Don't shoot the messenger, just relaying facts.

Another fact, the MAC has the same amount of tournament bids as the conference ranked 33rd. The king of the one bids.

(03-19-2015 11:20 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(03-19-2015 10:44 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I know facts are a tricky thing and you can throw around words like sucks and bad all you want, the facts do not support your argument. There are 33 conferences in college basketball I think, the MAC is 10 of 33 this past year, that is what the stats/rankings say. Don't shoot the messenger, just relaying facts.

Another fact, the MAC has the same amount of tournament bids as the conference ranked 33rd. The king of the one bids.

Bids, a subjective measure, not based on performance. With Buffalo winning and CMU's late drop off, I think it probably was reasonable this year, although if Buffalo lost to Akron I think they should have gotten in, and I know they would not have been allowed in by the committee. When you are talking about the college football playoff top 25 and tournament bids, those mean nothing to me, they are just handed out as rewards for name brands. All I was trying to say is the MAC was the 10th best conference in the nation this year, was trying to say nothing more and nothing less, just that fact.