Not a good month for Frats. One of their own turned them in this time. Hopefully those involved will be dealt with by the legal system.

Quote: A Penn State University fraternity was suspended for a year Tuesday after police began investigating allegations that members used a private, invitation-only Facebook page to post photos of nude and partly nude women, some apparently asleep or passed out.

A former member of Kappa Delta Rho at the university's flagship campus in State College tipped police off to the page, telling them in January that it had been used by members to share photos of "unsuspecting victims, drug sales and hazing," according to a copy of a police warrant obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press.

The ex-member also provided authorities with printouts from the page.

The fraternity's national executive director, Joe Rosenberg, told the Penn State chapter in a letter on Tuesday that it is banned from most activities for the near future and must reorganize.

He said the suspension was "for the most serious misconduct, most serious disregard of fraternity rules, policies and property by the chapter."

Chapter officials, who can appeal the decision, did not respond to messages seeking comment.

A Penn State administrator called the allegations a violation of the standards and values required for recognized student organizations.

"The evidence offered by the Facebook postings is appalling, offensive and inconsistent with the university community's values and expectations," Damon Sims, Penn State's vice president for student affairs, said in a news release.

Sims said the school continues to investigate, and vowed that the university would find those responsible and hold them accountable.

Police said anyone who posted the photos could face misdemeanor charges of harassment or invasion of privacy, with a fine the most likely sentence.

An investigation of the informant's computer "yielded information on two victims whose images would rise to the level of criminal action," State College police Lt. Keith Robb said Tuesday.

Facebook was contacted to disable the site and to obtain more information for the investigation, Robb said.

Some of the postings involved nude women in "sexual or embarrassing positions," the warrant reads. "It appears from the photos provided that the individuals in the photos are not aware that the photos had been taken."

Penn State's Interfraternity Council said a full review of Kappa Delta Rho's conduct will be launched.

According to the ex-fraternity member who went to police, a second page dubbed "2.0" was started in about April 2014 after a woman depicted on the first Facebook page, called "Covert Business Transactions," complained.

The informant said the woman was visiting the fraternity when a member accidentally left his Facebook page logged in, and she noticed a topless photograph of her had been posted to the group.

Robb told the AP she wanted the photo removed but did not wish to press charges.

"A lot of that is probably what we're going to end up with, people who don't want anything done, just these photos removed," Robb said. "That's already done."

The investigation was first reported by WJAC-TV in Johnstown.

According to the warrant, the fraternity's page had 144 active members that included both students and alumni.

The photographs accompanying the warrant included images of fully nude and partly clothed women and a scene of a man appearing to grope a woman, her pants partly pulled down.

Police said the informant who visited the police station provided brief explanations about individual photos. One, he said, showed a woman vomiting in a member's room. Another, he said, showed "the type of stuff that happens at KDR." Two other images showed strippers hired by the fraternity for a party.

Some of the posts included with the warrant were images of cellphone text exchanges, including one from a woman apparently concerned about a casual sexual encounter the night before and whether birth control was used.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/penn-...s-29693942

ok I was going to defend them from the headline but it's not the privacy of the group at issue. It's the invasion of privacy of the girls.. Ban them..

The passed out etc part is where the problem is. That's wrong and that should get them kicked off campus.

In general, I have no respect for the 'privacy' of some girl who decides to get naked at a party and then act like she has privacy.

(03-17-2015 04:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The passed out etc part is where the problem is. That's wrong and that should get them kicked off campus.

In general, I have no respect for the 'privacy' of some girl who decides to get naked at a party and then act like she has privacy.

In today's world, unlike earlier times, everyone has a camera - almost everywhere. Assume that the act of disrobing in a place with numerous attendees will result in pics.

Now, if they were in someone's private room and sleeping, or even passed out - pics would be a huge no, no. In the middle of the dance floor at a party - expect pics.

(03-17-2015 04:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The passed out etc part is where the problem is. That's wrong and that should get them kicked off campus.

In general, I have no respect for the 'privacy' of some girl who decides to get naked at a party and then act like she has privacy.

I'm sorry once they are that drunk then *both parties* have some responsibility. If the guy took photo's when drunk then so be it. But they shared it sober on facebook.

Just saying, you can pass out and then BE disrobed by someone ELSE... That is something that happens...

(03-17-2015 05:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 04:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The passed out etc part is where the problem is. That's wrong and that should get them kicked off campus.

In general, I have no respect for the 'privacy' of some girl who decides to get naked at a party and then act like she has privacy.

I'm sorry once they are that drunk then *both parties* have some responsibility. If the guy took photo's when drunk then so be it. But they shared it sober on facebook.

Not if you are taking your clothes off in front of other people.

As I said, the girls who were asleep or passed out, that's a problem.

Girls who choose to drink and get naked, that's the girl's problem and the Frat shouldn't be in trouble for distributing or sharing those photos. That's what happens when you do something stupid. Don't want it to happen? Don't get naked at a party.

(03-17-2015 06:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 05:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 04:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The passed out etc part is where the problem is. That's wrong and that should get them kicked off campus.

In general, I have no respect for the 'privacy' of some girl who decides to get naked at a party and then act like she has privacy.

I'm sorry once they are that drunk then *both parties* have some responsibility. If the guy took photo's when drunk then so be it. But they shared it sober on facebook.

Not if you are taking your clothes off in front of other people.

As I said, the girls who were asleep or passed out, that's a problem.

Girls who choose to drink and get naked, that's the girl's problem and the Frat shouldn't be in trouble for distributing or sharing those photos. That's what happens when you do something stupid. Don't want it to happen? Don't get naked at a party.

Unless they were underaged and drinking, in which case members of the house should be going to jail.

(03-17-2015 08:10 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 06:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 05:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 04:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The passed out etc part is where the problem is. That's wrong and that should get them kicked off campus.

In general, I have no respect for the 'privacy' of some girl who decides to get naked at a party and then act like she has privacy.

I'm sorry once they are that drunk then *both parties* have some responsibility. If the guy took photo's when drunk then so be it. But they shared it sober on facebook.

Not if you are taking your clothes off in front of other people.

As I said, the girls who were asleep or passed out, that's a problem.

Girls who choose to drink and get naked, that's the girl's problem and the Frat shouldn't be in trouble for distributing or sharing those photos. That's what happens when you do something stupid. Don't want it to happen? Don't get naked at a party.

Unless they were underaged and drinking, in which case members of the house should be going to jail.

That's adding facts not in evidence here.

An 18 year old girl goes to a party, gets drunk and takes off her shirt... that isn't the fraternities problem.

Like I said, the girls sleeping and passed out is a problem and the frat should be in trouble. The problem is, as a poster mentioned earlier, cameras are everywhere and people seem to think that actions on the parts of many of these girls don't have consequences.

The real problem here is not the fraternity itself but the sexual culture cultivated across society. The good news is that these girls being shamed and called names like slut etc helps keep them from putting themselves in places they don't want to be in in the morning. The sororities themselves cultivate that sort of attitude. The scumbag fratstars are not without blame; so don't get me wrong. However, as I said, the real problem is the culture that puts these two groups together and adds binge drinking in. Taking away the social consequences for acting poorly isn't a good thing for us as a society to be doing. Shame is a good thing.

Anybody who has been in a fraternity knows what I am talking about. What goes on at swaps and band parties etc goes beyond what most would imagine who were never in that situation. It sounds cliche, but it goes back to the parents. The guys and girls who end up in these situations, doing this ****, or ending up in some very compromised position all have the same general attributes in my opinion.

Not speaking directly to you, it's funny than on a board of hardcore conservatives that personal responsibility is all the rage but it comes with a boatload of exceptions.

(03-17-2015 09:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 08:10 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 06:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 05:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 04:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The passed out etc part is where the problem is. That's wrong and that should get them kicked off campus.

In general, I have no respect for the 'privacy' of some girl who decides to get naked at a party and then act like she has privacy.

I'm sorry once they are that drunk then *both parties* have some responsibility. If the guy took photo's when drunk then so be it. But they shared it sober on facebook.

Not if you are taking your clothes off in front of other people.

As I said, the girls who were asleep or passed out, that's a problem.

Girls who choose to drink and get naked, that's the girl's problem and the Frat shouldn't be in trouble for distributing or sharing those photos. That's what happens when you do something stupid. Don't want it to happen? Don't get naked at a party.

Unless they were underaged and drinking, in which case members of the house should be going to jail.

That's adding facts not in evidence here.

An 18 year old girl goes to a party, gets drunk and takes off her shirt... that isn't the fraternities problem.

Like I said, the girls sleeping and passed out is a problem and the frat should be in trouble. The problem is, as a poster mentioned earlier, cameras are everywhere and people seem to think that actions on the parts of many of these girls don't have consequences.

The real problem here is not the fraternity itself but the sexual culture cultivated across society. The good news is that these girls being shamed and called names like slut etc helps keep them from putting themselves in places they don't want to be in in the morning. The sororities themselves cultivate that sort of attitude. The scumbag fratstars are not without blame; so don't get me wrong. However, as I said, the real problem is the culture that puts these two groups together and adds binge drinking in. Taking away the social consequences for acting poorly isn't a good thing for us as a society to be doing. Shame is a good thing.

Anybody who has been in a fraternity knows what I am talking about. What goes on at swaps and band parties etc goes beyond what most would imagine who were never in that situation. It sounds cliche, but it goes back to the parents. The guys and girls who end up in these situations, doing this ****, or ending up in some very compromised position all have the same general attributes in my opinion.

Not speaking directly to you, it's funny than on a board of hardcore conservatives that personal responsibility is all the rage but it comes with a boatload of exceptions.

If a girl (who is not a minor) gets drunk and naked in front of everyone, thats her problem.

If a frat house allows illegal drinking, that's their problem. If a restaurant allowed that they would lose their license. If I went out and bought a six pack for a minor, I would go to jail. Frat houses arent excluded from that.

Exactly. It is a problem if people do things like this. Obviously, when people go about and do their own thing peacefully (without this type of invasion of privacy) authorities aren't really gonna care. But this makes it a different matter.

Damn, nice fraternity house. Those dudes are dumb to think something like that wouldn't get out eventually.

(03-17-2015 06:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 05:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 04:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The passed out etc part is where the problem is. That's wrong and that should get them kicked off campus.

In general, I have no respect for the 'privacy' of some girl who decides to get naked at a party and then act like she has privacy.

I'm sorry once they are that drunk then *both parties* have some responsibility. If the guy took photo's when drunk then so be it. But they shared it sober on facebook.

Not if you are taking your clothes off in front of other people.

As I said, the girls who were asleep or passed out, that's a problem.

Girls who choose to drink and get naked, that's the girl's problem and the Frat shouldn't be in trouble for distributing or sharing those photos. That's what happens when you do something stupid. Don't want it to happen? Don't get naked at a party.

So if I consent to 30 specific people at a private party seeing me naked, I'm automatically consenting to someone taking a photo and posting it to the internet where 300, 3,000, 3 million... people can see see me naked?

(03-18-2015 09:33 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 06:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 05:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 04:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The passed out etc part is where the problem is. That's wrong and that should get them kicked off campus.

In general, I have no respect for the 'privacy' of some girl who decides to get naked at a party and then act like she has privacy.

I'm sorry once they are that drunk then *both parties* have some responsibility. If the guy took photo's when drunk then so be it. But they shared it sober on facebook.

Not if you are taking your clothes off in front of other people.

As I said, the girls who were asleep or passed out, that's a problem.

Girls who choose to drink and get naked, that's the girl's problem and the Frat shouldn't be in trouble for distributing or sharing those photos. That's what happens when you do something stupid. Don't want it to happen? Don't get naked at a party.

So if I consent to 30 specific people at a private party seeing me naked, I'm automatically consenting to someone taking a photo and posting it to the internet where 300, 3,000, 3 million... people can see see me naked?

There is no such thing as consenting to a display in a limited capacity like that. If you get naked at a party, it is what it is and if you end up with pictures all over that is on you.

(03-18-2015 09:33 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 06:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 05:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 04:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The passed out etc part is where the problem is. That's wrong and that should get them kicked off campus.

In general, I have no respect for the 'privacy' of some girl who decides to get naked at a party and then act like she has privacy.

I'm sorry once they are that drunk then *both parties* have some responsibility. If the guy took photo's when drunk then so be it. But they shared it sober on facebook.

Not if you are taking your clothes off in front of other people.

As I said, the girls who were asleep or passed out, that's a problem.

Girls who choose to drink and get naked, that's the girl's problem and the Frat shouldn't be in trouble for distributing or sharing those photos. That's what happens when you do something stupid. Don't want it to happen? Don't get naked at a party.

So if I consent to 30 specific people at a private party seeing me naked, I'm automatically consenting to someone taking a photo and posting it to the internet where 300, 3,000, 3 million... people can see see me naked?

I imagine if you planned on getting naked for 30 specific peope at a private party and didnt want anyone else to see you would stipulate no cameras.

My fraternity had a great time in college and got a lot of girls, but we never did stupid **** like this. What the hell is wrong with these kids?

(03-18-2015 09:53 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  My fraternity had a great time in college and got a lot of girls, but we never did stupid **** like this. What the hell is wrong with these kids?

So glad I went through college with no smartphones around.

(03-18-2015 10:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 09:53 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  My fraternity had a great time in college and got a lot of girls, but we never did stupid **** like this. What the hell is wrong with these kids?

So glad I went through college with no smartphones around.

Haha yeah, I got to ECU in 2002. People were using flip phones. Facebook was "THEFacebook" my Freshman or Sophomore year. Less opportunity to get into trouble.

(03-18-2015 10:03 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 09:53 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  My fraternity had a great time in college and got a lot of girls, but we never did stupid **** like this. What the hell is wrong with these kids?

So glad I went through college with no smartphones around.

This! This!! This!!

(03-18-2015 09:51 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-18-2015 09:33 AM)ODU06 Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 06:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 05:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 04:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The passed out etc part is where the problem is. That's wrong and that should get them kicked off campus.

In general, I have no respect for the 'privacy' of some girl who decides to get naked at a party and then act like she has privacy.

I'm sorry once they are that drunk then *both parties* have some responsibility. If the guy took photo's when drunk then so be it. But they shared it sober on facebook.

Not if you are taking your clothes off in front of other people.

As I said, the girls who were asleep or passed out, that's a problem.

Girls who choose to drink and get naked, that's the girl's problem and the Frat shouldn't be in trouble for distributing or sharing those photos. That's what happens when you do something stupid. Don't want it to happen? Don't get naked at a party.

So if I consent to 30 specific people at a private party seeing me naked, I'm automatically consenting to someone taking a photo and posting it to the internet where 300, 3,000, 3 million... people can see see me naked?

There is no such thing as consenting to a display in a limited capacity like that. If you get naked at a party, it is what it is and if you end up with pictures all over that is on you.

But where is the line drawn? What if I chose to get naked in front of one person and they photograph it unbeknownst to me and then post all over the internet? I chose to allow one person to see me naked--by doing so, was I choosing to allow that person to do whatever they want with my image?