At least they didn't beat out Bear Bryant for Forest Gump.

Yes, but what happened to North Carolina's supposed high moral standards and Honor Code?

(03-03-2015 09:17 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Yes, but what happened to North Carolina's supposed high moral standards and Honor Code?

It turns out the shining beacon on the hill they like to portray themselves as was just swamp gas coming off the garbage they were trying to keep hidden.

I will say this again...even places like Harvard have had their fair share of academic scandals.

(03-03-2015 10:26 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I will say this again...even places like Harvard have had their fair share of academic scandals.

Harvard doesn't have an entire curriculum of fake classes.

Harvard does not admit athletes to graduate school when they do not have the required test score, GPA, etc. long after the deadlines for regular athletes...just to keep said athletes eligible.

(03-03-2015 10:32 AM)Lucy Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 10:26 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I will say this again...even places like Harvard have had their fair share of academic scandals.

Harvard doesn't have an entire curriculum of fake classes.

Harvard does not admit athletes to graduate school when they do not have the required test score, GPA, etc. long after the deadlines for regular athletes...just to keep said athletes eligible.

They may not have done what the AFAM department did but cheating is cheating.

And how do you know that Harvard hasn't admitted anyone "mysteriously"? You just found this out about UNC the other day because it was in the N&O. You have no idea how much this goes on across the country. Don't be naive in thinking it only goes on in Chapel Hill.

(03-03-2015 11:00 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 10:32 AM)Lucy Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 10:26 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I will say this again...even places like Harvard have had their fair share of academic scandals.

Harvard doesn't have an entire curriculum of fake classes.

Harvard does not admit athletes to graduate school when they do not have the required test score, GPA, etc. long after the deadlines for regular athletes...just to keep said athletes eligible.

They may not have done what the AFAM department did but cheating is cheating.

And how do you know that Harvard hasn't admitted anyone "mysteriously"? You just found this out about UNC the other day because it was in the N&O. You have no idea how much this goes on across the country. Don't be naive in thinking it only goes on in Chapel Hill.

You're deflecting.

The point is the Carolina way was a fraud and is still being covered up by its fans and alumni. No university is without its problems, but that's besides the issue.

(03-03-2015 02:22 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 11:00 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 10:32 AM)Lucy Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 10:26 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I will say this again...even places like Harvard have had their fair share of academic scandals.

Harvard doesn't have an entire curriculum of fake classes.

Harvard does not admit athletes to graduate school when they do not have the required test score, GPA, etc. long after the deadlines for regular athletes...just to keep said athletes eligible.

They may not have done what the AFAM department did but cheating is cheating.

And how do you know that Harvard hasn't admitted anyone "mysteriously"? You just found this out about UNC the other day because it was in the N&O. You have no idea how much this goes on across the country. Don't be naive in thinking it only goes on in Chapel Hill.

You're deflecting.

The point is the Carolina way was a fraud and is still being covered up by its fans and alumni. No university is without its problems, but that's besides the issue.

Newsweek, US News and World Report, Forbes, Kiplinger, (insert reputable publication) would disagree with your statement. The Carolina Way is bigger than this scandal. Has anyone actually taken the time to look at the actual impact in terms of %? Do you know how many unique students have attended UNC over a 20 year timeframe vs the 3k or so involved in this scandal? We're talking about less than 2% (probably even less than !%). So the other 98-99% of the students, faculty, administration who are doing it right all of sudden get the stigma attached as well. That is where my problem lies.

Yeah it sounds bad. Yeah it looks bad. It's just time to move on to something else. The horse is dead.

If that 98-99% who are doing it right/did do it right would insist that the university quit trying to cover up its cheating past, fully admit to all of the wrongdoing across multiple departments, and remove the banners for the years that had ineligible players (because without the fake curriculum, etc. these players would have been academically ineligible), I think the general public would move on. It is all of you trying to justify the wrongdoing with the usual arrogance that keeps the impetus on having the scandal on the front page.

This is applicable.... for better or worse since the NCAA is involved.

New NCAA Legislation

I find it hilarious that the bluebelies here are simultaneously trying to maintain the myth of the Carolina Way......the exceptionalism of Chapel Hill while using the "Everybody is doing it" defense.


Too funny!

(03-03-2015 03:20 PM)Lucy Wrote:  If that 98-99% who are doing it right/did do it right would insist that the university quit trying to cover up its cheating past, fully admit to all of the wrongdoing across multiple departments, and remove the banners for the years that had ineligible players (because without the fake curriculum, etc. these players would have been academically ineligible), I think the general public would move on. It is all of you trying to justify the wrongdoing with the usual arrogance that keeps the impetus on having the scandal on the front page.

Not trying to justify anything. I just see a bunch of people making blanket statements about the entire University when the vast majority had nothing to do with it.

(03-03-2015 03:47 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I find it hilarious that the bluebelies here are simultaneously trying to maintain the myth of the Carolina Way......the exceptionalism of Chapel Hill while using the "Everybody is doing it" defense.


Too funny!

It's not a defense. It's a " it's time to move on to something else".

Deflect deflect deflect. Deny deny deny. Move along move along move along. Ignore ignore ignore.

(03-03-2015 04:10 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 03:47 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I find it hilarious that the bluebelies here are simultaneously trying to maintain the myth of the Carolina Way......the exceptionalism of Chapel Hill while using the "Everybody is doing it" defense.


Too funny!

It's not a defense. It's a " it's time to move on to something else".

I'm not sure many outside of Chapel Hill feel that way. Your school is still being mentioned in ESPN articles every time violations are discussed anywhere, and are we so sure this thing is truly over?

(03-03-2015 09:02 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 04:10 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 03:47 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I find it hilarious that the bluebelies here are simultaneously trying to maintain the myth of the Carolina Way......the exceptionalism of Chapel Hill while using the "Everybody is doing it" defense.


Too funny!

It's not a defense. It's a " it's time to move on to something else".

I'm not sure many outside of Chapel Hill feel that way. Your school is still being mentioned in ESPN articles every time violations are discussed anywhere, and are we so sure this thing is truly over?

Every time new details emerge that unc and its fans assured us didn't exist, they say "it's over. That's it. No more to see. Move along. Carry on. We promise that's the last of it (as long as you quit digging up more stuff that we've buried)."

http://www.newsobserver.com/2015/03/02/4....html?rh=1

Quote:The academic-athletics scandal at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill is like the mythical multi-headed Hydra serpent battled by Hercules. Every time he cut off one of the Hydra’s heads, two more grew back.

Quote:“They know he has not applied and would not meet the minimum requirements for admission, yet (the Exercise and Sports Science Department) is willing to accept him as a non-degree seeking, one semester only, graduate student so his football eligibility will continue, if the (graduate school) will allow it,” Thomas wrote to Linda Dykstra, the graduate school dean.

After Waddell was kicked out of grad school after receiving four Fs, Kevin Guskiewicz, a professor and director of Exercise and Sports Science’s graduate studies program, sent a letter to Blanchard saying his program had been abused.

“We were willing to accept Michael Waddell and his very marginal undergraduate GPA because we believed that helping a student, and a group of colleagues in the Athletic Department, was the right thing to do at the time,” Guskiewicz wrote. “Four months later, we now look foolish.”

(03-03-2015 08:02 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Deflect deflect deflect. Deny deny deny. Move along move along move along. Ignore ignore ignore.

Sounds like a blanket statement for most scandals, nothing unique to UNC

The more information that comes out, it is more and more obvious that the decisions were not made in the Athletic department, yet nobody has investigated why it was necessary to grease the path of black students toward graduation.

(03-04-2015 09:17 AM)XLance Wrote:  The more information that comes out, it is more and more obvious that the decisions were not made in the Athletic department, yet nobody has investigated why it was necessary to grease the path of black students toward graduation.

was it ALL black students, or just/mainly black student athletes?
That's a huge distinction!