http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/sta...exception/

Okay, so maybe President Barack Obama does love America, Rudy Giuliani reluctantly admitted in a Wall Street Journal op-ed. But the former New York City mayor qualified the concession with another knock on Obama: He doesn’t think America is better than everyone else.

(03-02-2015 01:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/sta...exception/

Okay, so maybe President Barack Obama does love America, Rudy Giuliani reluctantly admitted in a Wall Street Journal op-ed. But the former New York City mayor qualified the concession with another knock on Obama: He doesn’t think America is better than everyone else.

Yawn.

(03-02-2015 01:10 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 01:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/sta...exception/

Okay, so maybe President Barack Obama does love America, Rudy Giuliani reluctantly admitted in a Wall Street Journal op-ed. But the former New York City mayor qualified the concession with another knock on Obama: He doesn’t think America is better than everyone else.

Yawn.

Just setting the record straight.

(03-02-2015 01:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/sta...exception/

Okay, so maybe President Barack Obama does love America, Rudy Giuliani reluctantly admitted in a Wall Street Journal op-ed. But the former New York City mayor qualified the concession with another knock on Obama: He doesn’t think America is better than everyone else.

That site is blocked and I can't access it at work. But if Rudy lied it's a serious problem. Please don't tell me he said if I like my plan I can keep my plan.

+1

I think you have to give Rudi a pass. Why should he be exepected to comment when someone who is not qualified to lead the United States is asked if the United States is uniquely qualified to lead the world?

Rudy Giuliani: Barack Obama said American exceptionalism no better than other countries' | PunditFact

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/sta...exception/ Wrote:While at an April 2009 NATO summit in France, a reporter from the London-based Financial Times asked Obama "whether you subscribe, as many of your predecessors have, to the school of American exceptionalism that sees America as uniquely qualified to lead the world, or do you have a slightly different philosophy?"

The only thing that makes us uniquely qualified is that we have lots of money and we're willing to pay for a ****load of military hardware, and use it all over the world.

(03-02-2015 04:47 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The only thing that makes us uniquely qualified is that we have lots of money and we're willing to pay for a ****load of military hardware, and use it all over the world.

You can't possibly believe that. Wow.

Libs are such a funny bunch. O'Reiily, Gulianni and Walker must really push all their buttons. Makes for fun reading though.

(03-02-2015 06:51 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Libs are such a funny bunch. O'Reiily, Gulianni and Walker must really push all their buttons. Makes for fun reading though.

Not really. They make up all the punch lines on their own. Like Scott Walker's unions - ISIS comment. That $@&# will knock you out of contention for presidency faster than you can say "GOP".

(03-03-2015 01:33 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:51 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Libs are such a funny bunch. O'Reiily, Gulianni and Walker must really push all their buttons. Makes for fun reading though.

Not really. They make up all the punch lines on their own. Like Scott Walker's unions - ISIS comment. That $@&# will knock you out of contention for presidency faster than you can say "GOP".

No it wont. It just gets the left lying about what you say and the right laughing at the intolerant pinko fascist lying scum.

(03-02-2015 04:29 PM)I45owl Wrote:  I think you have to give Rudi a pass. Why should he be exepected to comment when someone who is not qualified to lead the United States is asked if the United States is uniquely qualified to lead the world?

Rudy Giuliani: Barack Obama said American exceptionalism no better than other countries' | PunditFact

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/sta...exception/ Wrote:While at an April 2009 NATO summit in France, a reporter from the London-based Financial Times asked Obama "whether you subscribe, as many of your predecessors have, to the school of American exceptionalism that sees America as uniquely qualified to lead the world, or do you have a slightly different philosophy?"

He shouldn't be expected to comment but if he does, he shouldn't talk out of his arse.

(03-03-2015 08:11 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 01:33 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:51 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Libs are such a funny bunch. O'Reiily, Gulianni and Walker must really push all their buttons. Makes for fun reading though.

Not really. They make up all the punch lines on their own. Like Scott Walker's unions - ISIS comment. That $@&# will knock you out of contention for presidency faster than you can say "GOP".

No it wont. It just gets the left lying about what you say and the right laughing at the intolerant pinko fascist lying scum.

Paul, we've been over this. You need to go back and take a course on political ideologies. Fascism is a right-wing form of authoritarian nationalism. I think the world you might be looking for is socialist, but using that would weaken what you're trying to say. Here are a few examples of fascist states: Nazi Germany, its puppet states, Italy during the Second World War... Get the idea? If you think left-wing thinkers favor that type of behavior, you're way off base.

(03-03-2015 02:06 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 08:11 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 01:33 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:51 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Libs are such a funny bunch. O'Reiily, Gulianni and Walker must really push all their buttons. Makes for fun reading though.

Not really. They make up all the punch lines on their own. Like Scott Walker's unions - ISIS comment. That $@&# will knock you out of contention for presidency faster than you can say "GOP".

No it wont. It just gets the left lying about what you say and the right laughing at the intolerant pinko fascist lying scum.

Paul, we've been over this. You need to go back and take a course on political ideologies. Fascism is a right-wing form of authoritarian nationalism. I think the world you might be looking for is socialist, but using that would weaken what you're trying to say. Here are a few examples of fascist states: Nazi Germany, its puppet states, Italy during the Second World War... Get the idea? If you think left-wing thinkers favor that type of behavior, you're way off base.

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/Submit
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

(03-03-2015 02:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 02:06 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 08:11 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 01:33 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:51 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Libs are such a funny bunch. O'Reiily, Gulianni and Walker must really push all their buttons. Makes for fun reading though.

Not really. They make up all the punch lines on their own. Like Scott Walker's unions - ISIS comment. That $@&# will knock you out of contention for presidency faster than you can say "GOP".

No it wont. It just gets the left lying about what you say and the right laughing at the intolerant pinko fascist lying scum.

Paul, we've been over this. You need to go back and take a course on political ideologies. Fascism is a right-wing form of authoritarian nationalism. I think the world you might be looking for is socialist, but using that would weaken what you're trying to say. Here are a few examples of fascist states: Nazi Germany, its puppet states, Italy during the Second World War... Get the idea? If you think left-wing thinkers favor that type of behavior, you're way off base.

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/Submit
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

I think Paul gets 'right-wing' and 'left-wing' mixed up sometimes.

(03-03-2015 02:06 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 08:11 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 01:33 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:51 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Libs are such a funny bunch. O'Reiily, Gulianni and Walker must really push all their buttons. Makes for fun reading though.

Not really. They make up all the punch lines on their own. Like Scott Walker's unions - ISIS comment. That $@&# will knock you out of contention for presidency faster than you can say "GOP".

No it wont. It just gets the left lying about what you say and the right laughing at the intolerant pinko fascist lying scum.

Paul, we've been over this. You need to go back and take a course on political ideologies. Fascism is a right-wing form of authoritarian nationalism. I think the world you might be looking for is socialist, but using that would weaken what you're trying to say. Here are a few examples of fascist states: Nazi Germany, its puppet states, Italy during the Second World War... Get the idea? If you think left-wing thinkers favor that type of behavior, you're way off base.

Then why did the American left fall in love with them in the 1930s?

In the here and now in America, the left are the fascists.

Quote:As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie. Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.

Pinko SOCIALIST fascists

The economic policies might share some similarities, but that doesn't mean their overall policies are anything similar. Tea Partiers and Progressives agree about Marijuana decriminalization, would you consider them the same political leaning?

(03-04-2015 02:06 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  The economic policies might share some similarities, but that doesn't mean their overall policies are anything similar. Tea Partiers and Progressives agree about Marijuana decriminalization, would you consider them the same political leaning?

Bad analogy. You are equating agreement between TEA Partiers and "Progressives" on peripheral issues to agreement between fascists and communists on central philosophy. I will note that on the marijuana issue you correctly distinguish between TEA Partiers and the neocons with whom they are too often confused.

The economic policies are the heart of both systems. Again, if they are so different, why were fascists the darlings of far-left intellectuals in the 1930s?

And as far as the so-called "right wing" elements of fascism--militarism, nationalism, suppression of individual liberties--have you ever noticed that those seem to be essential elements of just about every functioning communist government? When you start redistributing money on that scale, you have to back it up with the military because people don't like being robbed.