Credit to /u/WhatWeOnlyFantasize from /r/WorldNews... For all of you "Reddit's just some communist circlejerk..." this is one of the top comments on a thread about an American jailed in UAE.

Here are some polls on what Muslims believe:

Pew Research (2013):

Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda.
Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban.
13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/musl...st-groups/

Wenzel Strategies (2012):

58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.

http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2012/10...expression

ICM Poll:

40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1...in-UK.html

Pew Research (2010):

82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers

http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/

WZB Berlin Social Science Center:

65%% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/e...amentalism

Pew Global (2006)

68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.

http://cnsnews.com/node/53865

World Public Opinion (2009)

61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/p...09_rpt.pdf

NOP Research:

62% percent of British Muslims say freedom of speech shouldn't be protected
1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/1...2011-04-06

People Press Surveys

31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.

http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/a...-iraq-war/

Belgian HLN

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/arti...baar.dhtml

ICM Poll:

25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.

http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/200...0Nov04.asp

Pew Research (2007):

26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).

pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Al-Jazeera (2006):

49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

Populus Poll (2006):

16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".

http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist

GfK NOP:

28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf

NOP Research:

68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/1...2011-04-06

MacDonald Laurier Institute:

62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/str...-in-canada

http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good...in-canada/

al-Arabiya:

36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/0...66274.html

Gallup:

38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/polic...-us-really

Policy Exchange:

1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.

http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY...wnload.pdf

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf

Scary ****. The fact muslims support act of terror is indefensible. You could make fun of my religion for an eternity; I would never ever think of murdering you....

(03-02-2015 11:07 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  World Public Opinion (2009)

61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/p...09_rpt.pdf

These three really stuck out to me.

I thought Indonesians would be lower. I thought Pakistanis would be WAY higher. I thought Jordanians would be a fair amount lower. I guess the question asked to Jordanians was a little bit different than the others since it didn't outright ask if they approve of attacks on Americans.

Anxiously awaiting our resident libs coming in here to discover that no matter how much they cuddle up to their precious Islam, it still unequivocally HATES them.

(03-03-2015 12:52 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Anxiously awaiting our resident libs coming in here to discover that no matter how much they cuddle up to their precious Islam, it still unequivocally HATES them.

*AHEM* I am a liberal.

Let us be clear about something. Most of, if not all of, the Western world is based on a Christian set of laws. Islamic laws are obviously contradictory to a majority of the laws that we know and the practices we hold, but this does not make them any less valid to those who believe in them. Just saying, not everything is as black and white as we are sometimes led to believe. What we perceive as rational law and responses to some things may be inherently irrational to others, as we can see from our interaction with certain more radical sects of Islam.

(03-03-2015 01:20 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 12:52 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Anxiously awaiting our resident libs coming in here to discover that no matter how much they cuddle up to their precious Islam, it still unequivocally HATES them.

*AHEM* I am a liberal.

Let us be clear about something. Most of, if not all of, the Western world is based on a Christian set of laws. Islamic laws are obviously contradictory to a majority of the laws that we know and the practices we hold, but this does not make them any less valid to those who believe in them. Just saying, not everything is as black and white as we are sometimes led to believe. What we perceive as rational law and responses to some things may be inherently irrational to others, as we can see from our interaction with certain more radical sects of Islam.

So their religion excuses them from believing the holocaust happened?

Their religion encourages the murder of innocents.

Their religion advances a violent retaliatory ideology which they wish to make the highest law in the world.


Thanks for your opinion, it's as valid as anybody else's here, but i seriously doubt you would ever consider moving to a Muslim majority country and subjecting yourself to the laws of their religion. Islam is a religion with no place in the civilized world so long as so its followers are so quick to turn to violence in my opinion.

If you want to see how black and white the issue is to them, go to the middle east and tell them you are Christian or Jewish.

(03-03-2015 08:11 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 01:20 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 12:52 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Anxiously awaiting our resident libs coming in here to discover that no matter how much they cuddle up to their precious Islam, it still unequivocally HATES them.

*AHEM* I am a liberal.

Let us be clear about something. Most of, if not all of, the Western world is based on a Christian set of laws. Islamic laws are obviously contradictory to a majority of the laws that we know and the practices we hold, but this does not make them any less valid to those who believe in them. Just saying, not everything is as black and white as we are sometimes led to believe. What we perceive as rational law and responses to some things may be inherently irrational to others, as we can see from our interaction with certain more radical sects of Islam.

So their religion excuses them from believing the holocaust happened?

Their religion encourages the murder of innocents.

Their religion advances a violent retaliatory ideology which they wish to make the highest law in the world.


Thanks for your opinion, it's as valid as anybody else's here, but i seriously doubt you would ever consider moving to a Muslim majority country and subjecting yourself to the laws of their religion. Islam is a religion with no place in the civilized world so long as so its followers are so quick to turn to violence in my opinion.

If you want to see how black and white the issue is to them, go to the middle east and tell them you are Christian or Jewish.

Each argument you just made could be made about nearly any monotheistic religion on this planet. I know Christians want to paint Christianity to be some perfect and harmonious religion without any history of violence, but Lord have mercy all you need to do is open ONE page and you've got some instance of a city being destroyed, women being raped and murdered, or people sold into slavery. It's not about the content - b/c honestly Islam and Christianity are not THAT far removed - it's about who twists the content to fit their goals. And those with power in the Middle East specifically are extremists.

FYI - there are sizable populations of Christians scattered across the Middle East and other Muslim majority nations. Where there are strong states with democratic governments like Lebanon and Indonesia, the majority of the time and people are generally fine with Christians and understand the separation between religious identities. Like anywhere, there are instances where that isn't true, but when you have an open state with freedoms people are generally happier.

All you have to do to disprove the notion that all Islamic countries are inherently violent is look to a few places on the map. 1) Europe: the Balkans. The bloodiest period in recent history there was actually the Christian massacre of Bosnian Muslims... 2) Central Asia: the central republics - Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, etc. - are on the outskirts of the ME, are majority Muslim, yet are never in the news as 'extreme' places. There are large populations of Christians and other minorities in some of these places existing peacefully... 3) Southeast Asia: with a few spotted cases of violence (Philippines) the majority of these states have mostly non-violent histories; the biggest genocide in the region was committed not because of religion but because of ideology in Cambodia under Pol Pot; East Timor - large Christian majority - broke off of Indonesia a few years ago without much ado...

I know it is difficult to grasp but Islam is simply a religion with a Pandora's box of assorted by-products. There are systems of governance, economy, law, military, etc. -- every part of life -- included in what you are 'supposed' to believe in with Islam. Sort of like Christianity, but to a much higher degree of rigidness. Fortunately, there are movements to go beyond the strictness of the religion and be open with interpretation (liberal or moderates in Islam) yet the conservative Islamic figures are harshly pro-Sharia law and that is who are preyed upon and work with terror groups.

Sorry for the lengthy post but this is one of my fields of expertise IRL and I want to offer my thoughts... which are from my own "international relations perspective"...

(03-02-2015 11:26 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Scary ****. The fact muslims support act of terror is indefensible. You could make fun of my religion for an eternity; I would never ever think of murdering you....

it's all due to the development of civilized culture.....at my age, I don't stock up on canned goods.....toilet paper is my choice for good reason.....I consume a wholly roller almost daily....

Islam is a gutter religion political ideology! Based on Subjugation and oppression. Utterly Gutter!

Some of the questions seem 'ripe' for creating false impressions... i.e the questions about approving of groups that attack Americans... is that really what the question said, or did it say, do you approve of 'this group'.... or I'll admit that I generally believe that the laws of God are more important than the laws of the US, but I 100% will follow the laws of the US.

but many of them are very straightforward and hard to misconstrue

This is precisely the problem with our strategy... and IMO, while Obama has done 'differently', he has done worse.

It is not until Muslims openly and vocally and with passion disapprove of terrorism 'in the name of Islam' that it will end.

(03-03-2015 12:23 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Islam is a gutter religion political ideology! Based on Subjugation and oppression. Utterly Gutter!

And that is exactly what they would say about Western Christian democracy and law. It is part of the inherent divide between the two... the systems themselves are about as different as they can come...

(03-03-2015 11:58 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 08:11 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 01:20 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 12:52 AM)Kronke Wrote:  Anxiously awaiting our resident libs coming in here to discover that no matter how much they cuddle up to their precious Islam, it still unequivocally HATES them.

*AHEM* I am a liberal.

Let us be clear about something. Most of, if not all of, the Western world is based on a Christian set of laws. Islamic laws are obviously contradictory to a majority of the laws that we know and the practices we hold, but this does not make them any less valid to those who believe in them. Just saying, not everything is as black and white as we are sometimes led to believe. What we perceive as rational law and responses to some things may be inherently irrational to others, as we can see from our interaction with certain more radical sects of Islam.

So their religion excuses them from believing the holocaust happened?

Their religion encourages the murder of innocents.

Their religion advances a violent retaliatory ideology which they wish to make the highest law in the world.


Thanks for your opinion, it's as valid as anybody else's here, but i seriously doubt you would ever consider moving to a Muslim majority country and subjecting yourself to the laws of their religion. Islam is a religion with no place in the civilized world so long as so its followers are so quick to turn to violence in my opinion.

If you want to see how black and white the issue is to them, go to the middle east and tell them you are Christian or Jewish.

Each argument you just made could be made about nearly any monotheistic religion on this planet. I know Christians want to paint Christianity to be some perfect and harmonious religion without any history of violence, but Lord have mercy all you need to do is open ONE page and you've got some instance of a city being destroyed, women being raped and murdered, or people sold into slavery. It's not about the content - b/c honestly Islam and Christianity are not THAT far removed - it's about who twists the content to fit their goals. And those with power in the Middle East specifically are extremists.

FYI - there are sizable populations of Christians scattered across the Middle East and other Muslim majority nations. Where there are strong states with democratic governments like Lebanon and Indonesia, the majority of the time and people are generally fine with Christians and understand the separation between religious identities. Like anywhere, there are instances where that isn't true, but when you have an open state with freedoms people are generally happier.

All you have to do to disprove the notion that all Islamic countries are inherently violent is look to a few places on the map. 1) Europe: the Balkans. The bloodiest period in recent history there was actually the Christian massacre of Bosnian Muslims... 2) Central Asia: the central republics - Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, etc. - are on the outskirts of the ME, are majority Muslim, yet are never in the news as 'extreme' places. There are large populations of Christians and other minorities in some of these places existing peacefully... 3) Southeast Asia: with a few spotted cases of violence (Philippines) the majority of these states have mostly non-violent histories; the biggest genocide in the region was committed not because of religion but because of ideology in Cambodia under Pol Pot; East Timor - large Christian majority - broke off of Indonesia a few years ago without much ado...

I know it is difficult to grasp but Islam is simply a religion with a Pandora's box of assorted by-products. There are systems of governance, economy, law, military, etc. -- every part of life -- included in what you are 'supposed' to believe in with Islam. Sort of like Christianity, but to a much higher degree of rigidness. Fortunately, there are movements to go beyond the strictness of the religion and be open with interpretation (liberal or moderates in Islam) yet the conservative Islamic figures are harshly pro-Sharia law and that is who are preyed upon and work with terror groups.

Sorry for the lengthy post but this is one of my fields of expertise IRL and I want to offer my thoughts... which are from my own "international relations perspective"...

Christians dont kill non Christians for not believing. Thats the only difference that matters and puts an end to any discussion about Islam and Christianity

Those numbers are terrifying.

No matter how much Ole Blue says otherwise, those numbers all but scream "Kill the infidel!", "Kill the infidel!" - but just ask OB - Christians are exactly the same.

Yep. Christians and Muslims - like looking in a mirror.

It's simply proof of a devolving religion. One that is actually becoming MORE archaic and backwards.

It's funny....at one time, many Islamic nations and thinkers were at the forefront of scientific and mathematic thought. You had leaders like Ataturk who very much liberalized an "Islamic" country.

But now....they're going backwards. Most of them support things like Sharia law and violence against non-believers. It's a really sad state of affairs. What's even worse is the opinions of immigrant Muslims in places like the US, Britain, France, etc. You'd think they emigrated to get away from such thought....but apparently that isn't their motivation for moving.

(03-03-2015 12:24 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-03-2015 12:23 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Islam is a gutter religion political ideology! Based on Subjugation and oppression. Utterly Gutter!

And that is exactly what they would say about Western Christian democracy and law. It is part of the inherent divide between the two... the systems themselves are about as different as they can come...

There is right and there is wrong. Pretty simple.

One is timeless and the other is stuck in the 7th Century.
One is based on Grace and Ever lasting life, the other based on fear, subjugation, death and uncertainty.
One is just the other is unjust.

Again there will always be right and wrong and never the tween shall meet! It will be this way until the end of time.

(03-03-2015 01:07 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  It's simply proof of a devolving religion. One that is actually becoming MORE archaic and backwards.

It's funny....at one time, many Islamic nations and thinkers were at the forefront of scientific and mathematic thought. You had leaders like Ataturk who very much liberalized an "Islamic" country.

But now....they're going backwards. Most of them support things like Sharia law and violence against non-believers. It's a really sad state of affairs. What's even worse is the opinions of immigrant Muslims in places like the US, Britain, France, etc. You'd think they emigrated to get away from such thought....but apparently that isn't their motivation for moving.

Nope - they would be classified as importers.......stone the adulterers!!!!

BTW, what compassion they show, I mean, let's throw rocks at someone until the accumulation of the blows kills them!

Girl gets raped - her fault, stone her!!!!

I scratch my head at how we have folks here that defend what this religion actively participates in......................

I don't really think they "defend" it per se, rather they believe that most Muslims are peaceful, liberalized, and non-violent.

That, simply put, is not true....and they cannot face that reality.

(03-03-2015 12:23 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Some of the questions seem 'ripe' for creating false impressions... i.e the questions about approving of groups that attack Americans... is that really what the question said, or did it say, do you approve of 'this group'.... or I'll admit that I generally believe that the laws of God are more important than the laws of the US, but I 100% will follow the laws of the US.

but many of them are very straightforward and hard to misconstrue

This is precisely the problem with our strategy... and IMO, while Obama has done 'differently', he has done worse.

It is not until Muslims openly and vocally and with passion disapprove of terrorism 'in the name of Islam' that it will end.

finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! someone understands the concept of finality............

the only problem with the current version..............is?

utopia doesn't exist until genetics are fully engineered......

kill all others = true ......doesn't matter how it fkn happens.....

(03-03-2015 01:19 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I don't really think they "defend" it per se, rather they believe that most Muslims are peaceful, liberalized, and non-violent.

That, simply put, is not true....and they cannot face that reality.

I wonder if that reality gets pushed behind more by burning humans in cages or burying a woman up to her neck and then stoning the head until death?

Funny how those videos tend to push the "peaceful, non-violent, liberalized" group you champion into the background of what they are doing "in the name of their religion."

I don't know - it could be that using 10 year old girls as suicide bombers is what pushes the peaceful into the shadows...

Which barbaric atrocity would you say?