(03-02-2015 03:27 AM)Pirateoracle Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 02:21 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 09:55 AM)Pirateoracle Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 09:35 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 09:25 AM)Pirateoracle Wrote:  Gary Clark of Cincy is from Clayton NC about 30 minutes from Greenville. Now that kids like this can play at Ecu and get national exposure will they stay closer to home. Same with a Rodney Purvis at Uconn?I believe Ecu will up its game in BBall tremendously over the next several years.NC has always been a BBall state with a lot of talent. We can keep these players and be one of the bestin the AAC.

I don't think it's that simple for several reasons.

In no particular order: some kids don't want to stay home, they want to leave and see the world a little. Some kids play for a program. Lots of kids play for a coach. To some conference prestige matters. To others (not many) academics is considered.

Bottom line, the exposure the AAC gets on ESPN helps, but it's probably not going to be enough on its own to keep kids when you are facing an uphill battle in the following areas at ECU:

-kids that want to leave home...you won't get them
-kids that want to play for a bigger name program...you won't get them unless you turn your program into a name.
-kids that want to play for a particular coach...you won't get them unless you go out and hire a name. See SMU.
-kids that want to play for a conference that is high prestige...you won't get them.


Bottom line: ECU will marginally if anything at all benefit from the exposure you are talking about.

The #1 best thing you could do that is in your control to help get local kids, good local kids: hire a name coach and pay him big bucks. That won't make you ncaa regulars with top 25 recruiting classes by itself, but it is a step in the right direction.

That's my two cents.

I hear you but don't agree.Lebo is a Dean Smith disciple. He has taken a terrible program an really made it respectable. You have to understand the zero rep ecu had in BBall. There are really good players in nc that go d2 before ecu.. That will no longer be the case. It was so bad I went to 1 game my whole time at ecu. Went to every football game. Lebo will get it done.

Let's not get overboard here. Still have a rpi over 200+. Ucf, houston, ecu, and usf need to all step up next year.

Why would you even make a comment? You got beat twice this year by us. Better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Lol...I can't even talk if my team isn't good. You're the fool if you think ecu baskerball is respectable in 2015. My comment wasn't even negative about ecu, but let's get real here. You're a rpi of 200 team which puts you in the bottom half of the entire ncaa. I'm well aware of ucf's struggles. We are playing 7 scholarship players most games and 2 being freshman. This whole season is just getting to the end and getting the frshman mins. ECU is definitely playing better the 2nd half of the year for the record. Wake me up when you're inside the top 100 and we can fling around respectable comments.

(03-02-2015 08:37 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 03:27 AM)Pirateoracle Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 02:21 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 09:55 AM)Pirateoracle Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 09:35 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I don't think it's that simple for several reasons.

In no particular order: some kids don't want to stay home, they want to leave and see the world a little. Some kids play for a program. Lots of kids play for a coach. To some conference prestige matters. To others (not many) academics is considered.

Bottom line, the exposure the AAC gets on ESPN helps, but it's probably not going to be enough on its own to keep kids when you are facing an uphill battle in the following areas at ECU:

-kids that want to leave home...you won't get them
-kids that want to play for a bigger name program...you won't get them unless you turn your program into a name.
-kids that want to play for a particular coach...you won't get them unless you go out and hire a name. See SMU.
-kids that want to play for a conference that is high prestige...you won't get them.


Bottom line: ECU will marginally if anything at all benefit from the exposure you are talking about.

The #1 best thing you could do that is in your control to help get local kids, good local kids: hire a name coach and pay him big bucks. That won't make you ncaa regulars with top 25 recruiting classes by itself, but it is a step in the right direction.

That's my two cents.

I hear you but don't agree.Lebo is a Dean Smith disciple. He has taken a terrible program an really made it respectable. You have to understand the zero rep ecu had in BBall. There are really good players in nc that go d2 before ecu.. That will no longer be the case. It was so bad I went to 1 game my whole time at ecu. Went to every football game. Lebo will get it done.

Let's not get overboard here. Still have a rpi over 200+. Ucf, houston, ecu, and usf need to all step up next year.

Why would you even make a comment? You got beat twice this year by us. Better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Lol...I can't even talk if my team isn't good. You're the fool if you think ecu baskerball is respectable in 2015. My comment wasn't even negative about ecu, but let's get real here. You're a rpi of 200 team which puts you in the bottom half of the entire ncaa. I'm well aware of ucf's struggles. We are playing 7 scholarship players most games and 2 being freshman. This whole season is just getting to the end and getting the frshman mins. ECU is definitely playing better the 2nd half of the year for the record. Wake me up when you're inside the top 100 and we can fling around respectable comments.

All doubt removed.

(03-01-2015 09:35 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  -kids that want to play for a conference that is high prestige...you won't get them.

Seems to me, the AAC is landing PLENTY of recruits with offers from the autonomy 5. There is a good deal of prestige in THIS conference. As there should be, given the reigning champ plays here.

Even Tacko had Baylor and Georgetown offers.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ucf/basketball/r...all-163655

(03-01-2015 11:08 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  I am just glad to see ECU landing the under recruited North Carolina kids like BJ Tyson and Kentrell Barkley. Those are the kids that a program builds around, because those kids play with chips on their shoulders just like the kids on the ECU football team; and it is the efforts of those kids that will attract the upper end talent in the State.

Here is the top 2015 N.C. basketball player rankings. Notice that ECU already has the number 4 player on the list and the number 2 player is visiting ECU in a couple of weeks. http://www.thehoopscolumn.com/thc-2015-rankings/

ECU also offered a top JUCO Forward, DeShawn Freeman. Freeman's hometown is from Rocky Mount, NC, which is only 37 miles from ECU's campus. The AAC coverage and being able to play near their home towns, might be incentive for some kids to play near home.

http://verbalcommits.com/players/deshawn-freeman

So things are looking up, but the weirdest thing that I am noticing that ECU seems to get noticed by a fair number of Miami kids. Guys like Maurice Kemp, Lance Tejada, Jeantal Cylla and another top national 100 kid that I recently read an article about.

THanks for bringing some sense to this thread before it derailed. I think this is the point. We're not going to get blue chip recruits at ECU but I do think we can improve a lot in this area. If we could just beat out the regional mid-majors for some of their better recruits we'd make big strides. A roster full of guys like that (especially considering they're much more likely to hang around until their SR year) can do a lot of damage.

(03-02-2015 03:49 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  If we could just beat out the regional mid-majors for some of their better recruits we'd make big strides.

Sights are set too low. ECU should be able to beat out the mid-to-low tier programs in the autonomy conferences, like UCF is doing. If Lebo can't do that much, you should bring in a coach that can. There is no reason not to, with the conference opponents you're hosting (UCONN, Memphis, Cinci, etc), as well as the fan support that ECU fans take pride in.

(03-02-2015 03:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 03:49 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  If we could just beat out the regional mid-majors for some of their better recruits we'd make big strides.

Sights are set too low. ECU should be able to beat out the mid-to-low tier programs in the autonomy conferences, like UCF is doing. If Lebo can't do that much, you should bring in a coach that can. There is no reason not to, with the conference opponents you're hosting (UCONN, Memphis, Cinci, etc), as well as the fan support that ECU fans take pride in.

I don't entirely disagree but that doesn't mean nearly as much in basketball. It doesn't mean **** that you beat Rutgers or VTech for a hoops recruit. I'd rather beat VCU, UMass, UTEP, WKU, etc. than some of the dregs of the Autonomy leagues.

FWIW, players on our roster right now...
Whisnant transferred here from FSU.
Caleb White had offers from VTech, UTEP and Richmond.
Lance Tejada had offers from Butler, UVA, FSU, TAMU, Bama, USF, etc.

Transferred but would be on the roster.
Brandon Stith had an offer from VCU. Unfortunately for us he left ECU to play for his dad at ODU.

2 things are missing from this list. BJ Tyson, our best player isn't listed. We've yet to get an AAC quality big man. Our guards are more than sufficient for this league.

(03-02-2015 04:24 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 03:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 03:49 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  If we could just beat out the regional mid-majors for some of their better recruits we'd make big strides.

Sights are set too low. ECU should be able to beat out the mid-to-low tier programs in the autonomy conferences, like UCF is doing. If Lebo can't do that much, you should bring in a coach that can. There is no reason not to, with the conference opponents you're hosting (UCONN, Memphis, Cinci, etc), as well as the fan support that ECU fans take pride in.

I don't entirely disagree but that doesn't mean nearly as much in basketball. It doesn't mean **** that you beat Rutgers or VTech for a hoops recruit. I'd rather beat VCU, UMass, UTEP, WKU, etc. than some of the dregs of the Autonomy leagues.

FWIW, players on our roster right now...
Whisnant transferred here from FSU.
Caleb White had offers from VTech, UTEP and Richmond.
Lance Tejada had offers from Butler, UVA, FSU, TAMU, Bama, USF, etc.

Transferred but would be on the roster.
Brandon Stith had an offer from VCU. Unfortunately for us he left ECU to play for his dad at ODU.

2 things are missing from this list. BJ Tyson, our best player isn't listed. We've yet to get an AAC quality big man. Our guards are more than sufficient for this league.

No offense but Tejada seems like a huge project. The few minutes he played vs Tulsa left me entirely unimpressed.

(03-02-2015 03:26 PM)Pirateoracle Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 08:37 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 03:27 AM)Pirateoracle Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 02:21 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(03-01-2015 09:55 AM)Pirateoracle Wrote:  I hear you but don't agree.Lebo is a Dean Smith disciple. He has taken a terrible program an really made it respectable. You have to understand the zero rep ecu had in BBall. There are really good players in nc that go d2 before ecu.. That will no longer be the case. It was so bad I went to 1 game my whole time at ecu. Went to every football game. Lebo will get it done.

Let's not get overboard here. Still have a rpi over 200+. Ucf, houston, ecu, and usf need to all step up next year.

Why would you even make a comment? You got beat twice this year by us. Better to be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Lol...I can't even talk if my team isn't good. You're the fool if you think ecu baskerball is respectable in 2015. My comment wasn't even negative about ecu, but let's get real here. You're a rpi of 200 team which puts you in the bottom half of the entire ncaa. I'm well aware of ucf's struggles. We are playing 7 scholarship players most games and 2 being freshman. This whole season is just getting to the end and getting the frshman mins. ECU is definitely playing better the 2nd half of the year for the record. Wake me up when you're inside the top 100 and we can fling around respectable comments.

All doubt removed.

Must be nice in life setting the "respectable" bar lower than half of the teams. congrats on your dream season.

(03-02-2015 06:35 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:24 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 03:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 03:49 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  If we could just beat out the regional mid-majors for some of their better recruits we'd make big strides.

Sights are set too low. ECU should be able to beat out the mid-to-low tier programs in the autonomy conferences, like UCF is doing. If Lebo can't do that much, you should bring in a coach that can. There is no reason not to, with the conference opponents you're hosting (UCONN, Memphis, Cinci, etc), as well as the fan support that ECU fans take pride in.

I don't entirely disagree but that doesn't mean nearly as much in basketball. It doesn't mean **** that you beat Rutgers or VTech for a hoops recruit. I'd rather beat VCU, UMass, UTEP, WKU, etc. than some of the dregs of the Autonomy leagues.

FWIW, players on our roster right now...
Whisnant transferred here from FSU.
Caleb White had offers from VTech, UTEP and Richmond.
Lance Tejada had offers from Butler, UVA, FSU, TAMU, Bama, USF, etc.

Transferred but would be on the roster.
Brandon Stith had an offer from VCU. Unfortunately for us he left ECU to play for his dad at ODU.

2 things are missing from this list. BJ Tyson, our best player isn't listed. We've yet to get an AAC quality big man. Our guards are more than sufficient for this league.

No offense but Tejada seems like a huge project. The few minutes he played vs Tulsa left me entirely unimpressed.

He is no project. He is just a freshman point guard. Take a look at Will Cummings freshman year at Temple. It takes some guys time to get adjusted to the speed of the game and the grind of the season. The UCF freshmen guards play a lot of minutes, because UCF has no other choice but to play them. Lebo can actually bring Tejada along a little slower, because there is a senior point guard playing in front of him. ECU isn't going anywhere this year anyway, so why not let the kid develop slowly.

(03-02-2015 06:35 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:24 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 03:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 03:49 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  If we could just beat out the regional mid-majors for some of their better recruits we'd make big strides.

Sights are set too low. ECU should be able to beat out the mid-to-low tier programs in the autonomy conferences, like UCF is doing. If Lebo can't do that much, you should bring in a coach that can. There is no reason not to, with the conference opponents you're hosting (UCONN, Memphis, Cinci, etc), as well as the fan support that ECU fans take pride in.

I don't entirely disagree but that doesn't mean nearly as much in basketball. It doesn't mean **** that you beat Rutgers or VTech for a hoops recruit. I'd rather beat VCU, UMass, UTEP, WKU, etc. than some of the dregs of the Autonomy leagues.

FWIW, players on our roster right now...
Whisnant transferred here from FSU.
Caleb White had offers from VTech, UTEP and Richmond.
Lance Tejada had offers from Butler, UVA, FSU, TAMU, Bama, USF, etc.

Transferred but would be on the roster.
Brandon Stith had an offer from VCU. Unfortunately for us he left ECU to play for his dad at ODU.

2 things are missing from this list. BJ Tyson, our best player isn't listed. We've yet to get an AAC quality big man. Our guards are more than sufficient for this league.

No offense but Tejada seems like a huge project. The few minutes he played vs Tulsa left me entirely unimpressed.

No offense taken. He's looked like **** so far but he did have a lot of Autonomy5 offers.

(03-02-2015 09:31 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:35 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:24 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 03:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 03:49 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  If we could just beat out the regional mid-majors for some of their better recruits we'd make big strides.

Sights are set too low. ECU should be able to beat out the mid-to-low tier programs in the autonomy conferences, like UCF is doing. If Lebo can't do that much, you should bring in a coach that can. There is no reason not to, with the conference opponents you're hosting (UCONN, Memphis, Cinci, etc), as well as the fan support that ECU fans take pride in.

I don't entirely disagree but that doesn't mean nearly as much in basketball. It doesn't mean **** that you beat Rutgers or VTech for a hoops recruit. I'd rather beat VCU, UMass, UTEP, WKU, etc. than some of the dregs of the Autonomy leagues.

FWIW, players on our roster right now...
Whisnant transferred here from FSU.
Caleb White had offers from VTech, UTEP and Richmond.
Lance Tejada had offers from Butler, UVA, FSU, TAMU, Bama, USF, etc.

Transferred but would be on the roster.
Brandon Stith had an offer from VCU. Unfortunately for us he left ECU to play for his dad at ODU.

2 things are missing from this list. BJ Tyson, our best player isn't listed. We've yet to get an AAC quality big man. Our guards are more than sufficient for this league.

No offense but Tejada seems like a huge project. The few minutes he played vs Tulsa left me entirely unimpressed.

He is no project. He is just a freshman point guard. Take a look at Will Cummings freshman year at Temple. It takes some guys time to get adjusted to the speed of the game and the grind of the season. The UCF freshmen guards play a lot of minutes, because UCF has no other choice but to play them. Lebo can actually bring Tejada along a little slower, because there is a senior point guard playing in front of him. ECU isn't going anywhere this year anyway, so why not let the kid develop slowly.

BJ Taylor is better than tejada right now, no question about it. He is pretty impressive for a true freshman point guard in my opinion. How he progresses this offseason is very important. Same goes for Adonys Henriquez as they are both our top two leading scorers.

(03-02-2015 09:31 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  He is no project. He is just a freshman point guard. Take a look at Will Cummings freshman year at Temple.

Will Cummings played 6 mins. a game his freshman year because Dunphy almost never redshirts. 4 Star Tejada plays nearly 15 mins. a game.

(03-02-2015 09:49 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 09:31 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 06:35 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 04:24 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 03:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Sights are set too low. ECU should be able to beat out the mid-to-low tier programs in the autonomy conferences, like UCF is doing. If Lebo can't do that much, you should bring in a coach that can. There is no reason not to, with the conference opponents you're hosting (UCONN, Memphis, Cinci, etc), as well as the fan support that ECU fans take pride in.

I don't entirely disagree but that doesn't mean nearly as much in basketball. It doesn't mean **** that you beat Rutgers or VTech for a hoops recruit. I'd rather beat VCU, UMass, UTEP, WKU, etc. than some of the dregs of the Autonomy leagues.

FWIW, players on our roster right now...
Whisnant transferred here from FSU.
Caleb White had offers from VTech, UTEP and Richmond.
Lance Tejada had offers from Butler, UVA, FSU, TAMU, Bama, USF, etc.

Transferred but would be on the roster.
Brandon Stith had an offer from VCU. Unfortunately for us he left ECU to play for his dad at ODU.

2 things are missing from this list. BJ Tyson, our best player isn't listed. We've yet to get an AAC quality big man. Our guards are more than sufficient for this league.

No offense but Tejada seems like a huge project. The few minutes he played vs Tulsa left me entirely unimpressed.

He is no project. He is just a freshman point guard. Take a look at Will Cummings freshman year at Temple. It takes some guys time to get adjusted to the speed of the game and the grind of the season. The UCF freshmen guards play a lot of minutes, because UCF has no other choice but to play them. Lebo can actually bring Tejada along a little slower, because there is a senior point guard playing in front of him. ECU isn't going anywhere this year anyway, so why not let the kid develop slowly.

BJ Taylor is better than tejada right now, no question about it. He is pretty impressive for a true freshman point guard in my opinion. How he progresses this offseason is very important. Same goes for Adonys Henriquez as they are both our top two leading scorers.

How do you know? BJ Taylor and Henriquez wouldn't be starting for ECU either, because Lebo doesn't start freshmen. Neither one of those UCF guards is nearly as good as ECU freshman guard BJ Tyson and Tyson doesn't start for ECU. Tejada might end up being a star for all you or me know, but the only ECU freshman that consistently started for Lebo at ECU was Paris Roberts Campbell. He was the only guy. The rest of the freshmen have sat while Lebo has been coach.

(03-02-2015 10:19 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 09:31 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  He is no project. He is just a freshman point guard. Take a look at Will Cummings freshman year at Temple.

Will Cummings played 6 mins. a game his freshman year because Dunphy almost never redshirts. 4 Star Tejada plays nearly 15 mins. a game.

Whatever the reasons. But the truth be told; Tejada freshmen numbers are better than Cummings were. Lebo doesn't start freshmen. Period. BJ Tyson is one of ECU's best players, but he doesn't start; because Lebo doesn't start freshmen (save Paris Campbell).

(03-02-2015 10:49 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Tejada freshmen numbers are better than Cummings were.

...He plays over 2x as many minutes as Cummings played. I'm not exactly impressed.

(03-02-2015 10:49 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 10:19 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 09:31 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  He is no project. He is just a freshman point guard. Take a look at Will Cummings freshman year at Temple.

Will Cummings played 6 mins. a game his freshman year because Dunphy almost never redshirts. 4 Star Tejada plays nearly 15 mins. a game.

Whatever the reasons. But the truth be told; Tejada freshmen numbers are better than Cummings were. Lebo doesn't start freshmen. Period. BJ Tyson is one of ECU's best players, but he doesn't start; because Lebo doesn't start freshmen (save Paris Campbell).

And people honestly think Bam Bam would want to come here, when this is the case.

(03-02-2015 11:04 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 10:49 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 10:19 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 09:31 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  He is no project. He is just a freshman point guard. Take a look at Will Cummings freshman year at Temple.

Will Cummings played 6 mins. a game his freshman year because Dunphy almost never redshirts. 4 Star Tejada plays nearly 15 mins. a game.

Whatever the reasons. But the truth be told; Tejada freshmen numbers are better than Cummings were. Lebo doesn't start freshmen. Period. BJ Tyson is one of ECU's best players, but he doesn't start; because Lebo doesn't start freshmen (save Paris Campbell).

And people honestly think Bam Bam would want to come here, when this is the case.

Lebo started PRC as a freshman, so a guy would obviously have to come in and meet with Lebo's approval.

Are ECU and UCF fans hyping up their 200 RPI caliber teams. Better watch out AAC! ECU and UCF drop that RPI.

(03-02-2015 10:51 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(03-02-2015 10:49 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Tejada freshmen numbers are better than Cummings were.

...He plays over 2x as many minutes as Cummings played. I'm not exactly impressed.

Well I am pretty sure that people were not exactly impressed with Cummings when he was a freshman; sooooooo................. .

(03-02-2015 11:08 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Are ECU and UCF fans hyping up their 200 RPI caliber teams. Better watch out AAC! ECU and UCF drop that RPI.

A Memphis fan talking and his team isn't much better than the two teams programs that he is criticizing.