(02-02-2015 09:57 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 09:21 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Go back and look at the replay. There should have been off setting pass inteference penalties on both the Patriots and the Seahawks.

The play is designed to be a hybrid pick/screen play. The problem was WR Kearse was blocking DB Browner and the ball was not thrown behind the line of scrimmage. Technically a pick even if you don't make contact could techincally draw a flag from an overly zealous official, but Kearse was flat out blocking and pushing Browner back into the end zone. Should have been offensive PI on Kearse right there.

On the INT, Butler made contact with Lockette knocking him off the route before making the interception. By rule that is pass interference so long as the ball wasn't previously tipped.

Butler should have been flagged for defensive PI resulting in offsetting penalites. Replay second down.

Human nature in these cases however is not to interfere via officiating and let the players decide it on the field.

no way either gets called in any game, at any time....

I see the offensive pass interference called frequently in that situation. In fact, the Pats were called for it twice in the AFC Championship game.

I don't believe Butler should have been flagged. He broke on the ball, he played the ball. Putting yourself in a receiver's path to get the ball is not your problem. It's his.

(02-02-2015 10:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I don't believe Butler should have been flagged. He broke on the ball, he played the ball. Putting yourself in a receiver's path to get the ball is not your problem. It's his.

Actually that's not true. Just going for the ball and putting yourself in the path of the receiver doesn't preclude a PI call. NFL rules leave no grey area.

Contact made before the ball is touched equals pass interference. You can say you don't think it should have been, but according to the rule book it was pass interference. Refs don't have the luxury of replay though. It was bang/bang and as such is difficult to call.

Well, the people who mattered agreed with me.

If you want to talk about a blown interference call that might have changed the game, back up to the previous Seahawks drive, when the Patriot DB fell down and reached out and swatted the receiver's foot, causing him to trip.

(02-02-2015 10:33 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Well, the people who mattered agreed with me.

If you want to talk about a blown interference call that might have changed the game, back up to the previous Seahawks drive, when the Patriot DB fell down and reached out and swatted the receiver's foot, causing him to trip.

I don't want to talk about that. We're talking about the last play.

And no the refs didn't agree with you. They missed the call.

BTW, if you're looking for someone to agree with you Mike Pereira said he didn't believe it was pass interference, because it was shoulder to shoulder. Though I'm not sure what difference that makes. I never saw that exception in the rule book.

I said it shouldn't have been called, they didn't call it.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Why don't you want to talk about that other play? It was clearly interference.

(02-02-2015 10:51 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I said it shouldn't have been called, they didn't call it.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Why don't you want to talk about that other play? It was clearly interference.

Not a soul has mentioned a "missed call" other than tibl

was a pretty simple no-call....if anything, one could argue the receiver made contact with the defender early....both have a right to the ball and the path to the ball....

(02-02-2015 10:51 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I said it shouldn't have been called, they didn't call it.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Why don't you want to talk about that other play? It was clearly interference.

I didn't see the play in question. Was in the car going back home to get the kids in bed.

And no one is talking about the other 59 minutes of the game. Everyone is talking about that last minute.

(02-02-2015 11:00 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 10:51 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I said it shouldn't have been called, they didn't call it.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Why don't you want to talk about that other play? It was clearly interference.

Not a soul has mentioned a "missed call" other than tibl

was a pretty simple no-call....if anything, one could argue the receiver made contact with the defender early....both have a right to the ball and the path to the ball....

Why was a former NFL official compelled to release a video on it then?

True both have a right to the path of the ball but the defender was the one that initated the contact. He was at near full speed when he hit the receiver which is why the receiver was nearly flipped. If both have a right to the ball then Butler should have been flagged for no other reason than knocking the receiver off that path himself before the ball arrived. Like I said, the timing was so close it would have been difficult to call, but it was PI even if it wasn't called.

Kearse's was more obvious though. I actually can't believe they let him block the defender while the ball was in the air and not make that call. Butler's would have been a tough call to make in that situation, but Kearse definitely should have been flagged.

That you didn't see it is not my fault, but at least I know why you don't want to talk about it.

It happened on the Seattle drive right before their last one. Seahawk receiver fakes inside and breaks outside. Pats DB bites on the fake, slips down, and swatted at his feet on the way down, hits one of them, and receiver trips and falls, just as the ball whizzes past his ear. He jumps up, pleading for a flag, and doesn't get one.

Seattle then goes quick 3-and-out, and the Patriots then take the lead.

(02-02-2015 11:08 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 11:00 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 10:51 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I said it shouldn't have been called, they didn't call it.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Why don't you want to talk about that other play? It was clearly interference.

Not a soul has mentioned a "missed call" other than tibl

was a pretty simple no-call....if anything, one could argue the receiver made contact with the defender early....both have a right to the ball and the path to the ball....

Why was a former NFL official compelled to release a video on it then?

True both have a right to the path of the ball but the defender was the one that initated the contact. He was at near full speed when he hit the receiver which is why the receiver was nearly flipped. If both have a right to the ball then Butler should have been flagged for no other reason than knocking the receiver off that path himself before the ball arrived. Like I said, the timing was so close it would have been difficult to call, but it was PI even if it wasn't called.

Kearse's was more obvious though. I actually can't believe they let him block the defender while the ball was in the air and not make that call. Butler's would have been a tough call to make in that situation, but the Kearse definitely should have been flagged.

there is a difference between tight corner coverage with contact at the line of scrimmage vs blocking downfield....easy no-call on the offense

the pass was late and off target....at that point the defender had a more direct path to the ball...he saw it as it was happening and broke to point....he beat the receiver to the ball....easy no-call on the defense

it's really simple to see....

it's obvious you don't get it.....so I'll just say okay and have a good day....

Dude, Kearse was fully engaged pushing the DB back into the endzone while the ball was in the air. You can only do that if the ball is thrown behind the line of scrimmage. It was not.

I conceded that the Butler situation was a tough call to make in that situation, but contact was made BEFORE the ball arrived. He beat the receiver to the ball because he knocked him down first. That's PI. Go read the rule book.

Yeah, I'm out, too.

(02-02-2015 10:29 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 10:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I don't believe Butler should have been flagged. He broke on the ball, he played the ball. Putting yourself in a receiver's path to get the ball is not your problem. It's his.

Actually that's not true. Just going for the ball and putting yourself in the path of the receiver doesn't preclude a PI call. NFL rules leave no grey area.

Contact made before the ball is touched equals pass interference. You can say you don't think it should have been, but according to the rule book it was pass interference. Refs don't have the luxury of replay though. It was bang/bang and as such is difficult to call.

N0, you're wrong. The DB has just as much right to the football as the receiver does. NO WAY that was pass interference. And so far, you're the only guy in America that's said it was PI.

(02-02-2015 10:33 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Well, the people who mattered agreed with me.

If you want to talk about a blown interference call that might have changed the game, back up to the previous Seahawks drive, when the Patriot DB fell down and reached out and swatted the receiver's foot, causing him to trip.

Agreed. Now THAT was PI.

Carroll gave the game away. What a doofus! With all that time left, second down, two timeouts left there is no way that Marshawn wouldn't have gotten a td if they had given Marshawn all three plays at the end. What a doofus! Carroll better get himself a body guard because there's bound to be someone who isn't this calm about the outcome. What a doofus. Er, did I say that Carroll was a doofus? OK.

(02-02-2015 11:48 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 10:29 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(02-02-2015 10:23 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I don't believe Butler should have been flagged. He broke on the ball, he played the ball. Putting yourself in a receiver's path to get the ball is not your problem. It's his.

Actually that's not true. Just going for the ball and putting yourself in the path of the receiver doesn't preclude a PI call. NFL rules leave no grey area.

Contact made before the ball is touched equals pass interference. You can say you don't think it should have been, but according to the rule book it was pass interference. Refs don't have the luxury of replay though. It was bang/bang and as such is difficult to call.

N0, you're wrong. The DB has just as much right to the football as the receiver does. NO WAY that was pass interference. And so far, you're the only guy in America that's said it was PI.

No way in hell that was a pass interference. They both got to the ball at the same time.

(02-02-2015 11:12 AM)Smaug Wrote:  That you didn't see it is not my fault, but at least I know why you don't want to talk about it.

It happened on the Seattle drive right before their last one. Seahawk receiver fakes inside and breaks outside. Pats DB bites on the fake, slips down, and swatted at his feet on the way down, hits one of them, and receiver trips and falls, just as the ball whizzes past his ear. He jumps up, pleading for a flag, and doesn't get one.

Seattle then goes quick 3-and-out, and the Patriots then take the lead.

Yup, that was definitely a pass interference. The refs also missed an intentional grounding call on Brady that Al Michaels pointed out.

(02-01-2015 10:41 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  Seattle is a trashy organization

It was the "Trash" vs. the "Cheaters". I was hoping for a 2-0 score or something with total incompetence...