http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...-committee

Quote:Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson and Sun Belt commissioner Karl Benson said this isn't a Navy-Army issue, but believe any schools playing after the final rankings are released should be ineligible for a spot in the College Football Playoff or a New Year's Six bowl.

"All games should be done by Selection Sunday for those teams to be considered for a College Football Playoff bowl," Thompson said.

Thoughts?

It's an issue- but given that it's Army/Navy- not a snowballs chance in heck they DQ Navy.

The MWC and SBC commissioners obviously want the process to favor their conferences and schools as much as possible. If in some year, it does become an issue, I'm pretty certain the committee will find some way to modify the rules to deal with it. If it was any other school, they may not care, but the PR and press fallout from leaving out a deserving service academy school because of a historical matchup against another service academy might be too much for the committee.

All they need to do is move A/N back to championship week. The contest is not so special that it can't be along side other contests.

(01-30-2015 11:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  It's an issue- but given that it's Army/Navy- not a snowballs chance in heck they DQ Navy.

I think something has to be done. Call it far-fetched if you want, but what if Navy is ranked #4 on Selection Sunday? That would put them in the playoffs, but it would be absurd for Navy to be in the playoffs if they then lost to Army.

What are Benson and Hair worried about? Even those guys can't be so tone-deaf that they would just bash Army-Navy for no reason.

Do they think other G5 conferences are going to subvert the selection process by playing more games after Selection Sunday, and somehow take an access bowl away from one of "their" teams?

(01-30-2015 11:56 AM)Wedge Wrote:  What are Benson and Hair worried about? Even those guys can't be so tone-deaf that they would just bash Army-Navy for no reason.

Do they think other G5 conferences are going to subvert the selection process by playing more games after Selection Sunday, and somehow take an access bowl away from one of "their" teams?

Again, it's not just other G5 conferences that have a stake in this. If Navy were to be ranked in the top 4 on the day the playoff spots were announced, but still had the Army game to play, that would affect the P5 too.

Nobody is "bashing" Army-Navy, it is an actual problem.

(01-30-2015 11:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 11:56 AM)Wedge Wrote:  What are Benson and Hair worried about? Even those guys can't be so tone-deaf that they would just bash Army-Navy for no reason.

Do they think other G5 conferences are going to subvert the selection process by playing more games after Selection Sunday, and somehow take an access bowl away from one of "their" teams?

Again, it's not just other G5 conferences that have a stake in this. If Navy were to be ranked in the top 4 on the day the playoff spots were announced, but still had the Army game to play, that would affect the P5 too.

Nobody is "bashing" Army-Navy, it is an actual problem.

No, that's a hypothetical problem that has about as much chance of happening as an asteroid and a meteor simultaneously crashing into Jerry World during the CFP title game.

Why would the CFP committee worry more about this "problem" than real issues, like whether their week-to-week rankings have any credibility when their #3 team wins 55-3 and the committee responds by dropping them to #6.

(01-30-2015 11:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 11:56 AM)Wedge Wrote:  What are Benson and Hair worried about? Even those guys can't be so tone-deaf that they would just bash Army-Navy for no reason.

Do they think other G5 conferences are going to subvert the selection process by playing more games after Selection Sunday, and somehow take an access bowl away from one of "their" teams?

Again, it's not just other G5 conferences that have a stake in this. If Navy were to be ranked in the top 4 on the day the playoff spots were announced, but still had the Army game to play, that would affect the P5 too.

Nobody is "bashing" Army-Navy, it is an actual problem.

Or an at-large bid taken away from a P5 school. BYU may want to have a stand alone game. They could be ranked #10 and give an at-large bid that knock out a P5 school only then to lose the game after the selection putting them down to the bottom 25 of the rankings.

It is something that needs to be address though because it is a possibility, just as they did in the BCS era where Navy had to be in the top 2 to be part of the BCS bowls.

The committee should not issue rankings until all games are played.

(01-30-2015 12:19 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  The committee should not issue rankings until all games are played.

This give 1 week less, for the bowls to market, get tickets, have fans make arrangements unless you push all the bowl back 1 week.

Heck, the MW could have the Saturday for the MW CCG along with Army-Navy game.

Everyone is worried about how this ruling will affect Navy. The Army's football renaissance is coming. This will be a problem for the Cadets.

(01-30-2015 12:40 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Everyone is worried about how this ruling will affect Navy. The Army's football renaissance is coming. This will be a problem for the Cadets.

It will only be a problem if Army is near the top 4. It won't be a problem with regards to the G5 spot in the accesss bowls since Army is ineligible.

(01-30-2015 12:47 PM)prp Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 12:40 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Everyone is worried about how this ruling will affect Navy. The Army's football renaissance is coming. This will be a problem for the Cadets.

It will only be a problem if Army is near the top 4. It won't be a problem with regards to the G5 spot in the accesss bowls since Army is ineligible.

That right there is a much bigger fairness issue than anything having to do with the Army-Navy game.

The whole point of the access bowl berth should be to give access to every team not in a P5 conference, because those P5 teams already have "access" to CFP bowl autobids. That's how it should work, but the G5 conferences got the rule written so that they have "access", but Army and BYU don't.

(01-30-2015 12:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 12:47 PM)prp Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 12:40 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Everyone is worried about how this ruling will affect Navy. The Army's football renaissance is coming. This will be a problem for the Cadets.

It will only be a problem if Army is near the top 4. It won't be a problem with regards to the G5 spot in the accesss bowls since Army is ineligible.

That right there is a much bigger fairness issue than anything having to do with the Army-Navy game.

The whole point of the access bowl berth should be to give access to every team not in a P5 conference, because those P5 teams already have "access" to CFP bowl autobids. That's how it should work, but the G5 conferences got the rule written so that they have "access", but Army and BYU don't.

Then join a conference.

(01-30-2015 12:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 11:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 11:56 AM)Wedge Wrote:  What are Benson and Hair worried about? Even those guys can't be so tone-deaf that they would just bash Army-Navy for no reason.

Do they think other G5 conferences are going to subvert the selection process by playing more games after Selection Sunday, and somehow take an access bowl away from one of "their" teams?

Again, it's not just other G5 conferences that have a stake in this. If Navy were to be ranked in the top 4 on the day the playoff spots were announced, but still had the Army game to play, that would affect the P5 too.

Nobody is "bashing" Army-Navy, it is an actual problem.

No, that's a hypothetical problem that has about as much chance of happening as an asteroid and a meteor simultaneously crashing into Jerry World during the CFP title game.

Whether you acknowledge it or not, Navy being ranked in the top 4 is an actual possibility, and therefore it is an actual problem, not some abstract theoretical fantasy.

(01-30-2015 12:54 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 12:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 12:47 PM)prp Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 12:40 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Everyone is worried about how this ruling will affect Navy. The Army's football renaissance is coming. This will be a problem for the Cadets.

It will only be a problem if Army is near the top 4. It won't be a problem with regards to the G5 spot in the accesss bowls since Army is ineligible.

That right there is a much bigger fairness issue than anything having to do with the Army-Navy game.

The whole point of the access bowl berth should be to give access to every team not in a P5 conference, because those P5 teams already have "access" to CFP bowl autobids. That's how it should work, but the G5 conferences got the rule written so that they have "access", but Army and BYU don't.

Then join a conference.

Point is, they shouldn't have to. The Access bowl should be open to all FBS schools not in the P5, conference or not.

Why would we disqualify Navy when the reality is the other G5 champs get the advantage of having one more victory than Navy on selection day. That's an advantage is it not?

Like I said, this is just part of the selection committee calculus that will be handled on Selection Sunday. Its not perfect, but you cannot by rule eliminate Navy. The reality is Navy is probably effectively eliminated because---as I have said, Navy will almost always come to the table on Selection Sunday with one less win than the other G5 champs. If Navy ever comes into to selection Sunday with more wins than the other G5 champs, then does it even really matter if they lose to Army? They would still finish the season with more wins than any other G5 champ.

(01-30-2015 02:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Why would we disqualify Navy when the reality is the other G5 champs get the advantage of having one more victory than Navy on selection day. That's an advantage is it not?

Like I said, this is just part of the selection committee calculus that will be handled on Selection Sunday. Its not perfect, but you cannot by rule eliminate Navy. The reality is Navy is probably effectively eliminated because---as I have said, Navy will almost always come to the table on Selection Sunday with one less win than the other G5 champs. If Navy ever comes into to selection Sunday with more wins than the other G5 champs, then does it even really matter if they lose to Army? They would still finish the season with more wins than any other G5 champ.

what if Navy and BSU are both in the top 10. BSU gets the G5 bid, Navy an at-large that knocks a P5 team. Navy losing the next week will really piss off the P5 team it knocked out.

(01-30-2015 11:34 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  All they need to do is move A/N back to championship week. The contest is not so special that it can't be along side other contests.

If you read the link, someone from Navy is basically trying to sell the game as the protector of democracy in the free world.

I think both programs enjoy the attention of having the only FBS game that week and will fight having to move it.