(01-20-2015 10:55 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  A basketball arena doesn't need 15k seats.

I disagree small arenas prevent a program from growing. If and when UC has a great years of championships and NCAA Final4 they will then talk about having more seats. I say build with that expectation.
You should read the history Ohio State stadium when they wanted to build a 60,000 seat stadium. There were many people just like you who said it was not needed. Will those folks were wrong. So UC needs leadership and create an expectation by building to that expectation. Other wise You won't grow an take the program where it needs to be.

Has it prevented Duke from growing, or UConn which plays half it's game in tiny Gampel (including games that would draw big numbers) from growing?

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(01-21-2015 12:51 PM)subflea Wrote:  Has it prevented Duke from growing, or UConn which plays half it's game in tiny Gampel (including games that would draw big numbers) from growing?

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Notre Dame football has always had a smaller stadium. They had an expansion to grow from somewhere in the 60,000 range to the mid-80's but by then they were already a huge football brand with a huge following.

It helps that they are catholic, but what really helped is that they were a powerhouse for a long time with a unique national tv deal.

TV is becoming an even bigger driver of sports these days. I don't think kyucat's opinion is particularly accurate on this one.

Arena size doesn't mean a thing with respect to getting in to a major conference. This doesn't show arena size, but it does show average attendance for the P5 schools and the Big East (I ripped this off of another board). This is as of January 8, so the numbers are a bit dated. Regardless, they're relatively reflective of average annual attendance for the respective schools. If UC had a comfortable arena that held 10,500 (for argument sake) and filled it each game, they'd still be above the average attendance in each conference, with the exception of the B1G. It's all about eyeballs and perception, not arena size. For the record, we're just above 8,000 per game on the year, and that number should climb to nearly 9,000 with the teams left on the schedule. We ended last year at 8500, which was 53rd in the nation.

MENS BASKETBALL (GAMES THROUGH 1/8/15)

CONFERENCE AVERAGE
1. Big Ten: 12,010
2. ACC: 10,129
3. SEC: 9,931
4. Big 12: 9,515
5. Big East: 8,874
6. Pac 12: 6,543

BIG 12
1. Kansas: 115,427 (7) = 16,490
2. Iowa State: 113,642 (8) = 14,205
3. Kansas State: 113,377 (9) = 12,597
4. Oklahoma: 74,611 (7) = 10,659
5. Texas: 101,626 (10) = 10,163
6. West Virginia: 52,277 (6) = 8,713
7. Oklahoma State: 56,551 (8) = 7,069
8. Texas Tech: 70,741 (12) = 5,895
9. Baylor: 50,812 (9) = 5,646
10. TCU: 40,798 (9) = 3,709

ACC
1. Louisville: 229,746 (11) = 20,886
2. Syracuse: 187,280 (9) = 20,809
3. North Carolina: 127,479 (7) = 18,211
4. NC State: 176,701 (13) = 13,592
5. Virginia: 105,027 (8) = 13,128
6. Duke: 74,512 (8) = 9,314
7. Pittsburgh: 63,695 (7) = 9,099
8. Wake Forest: 95,490 (11) = 8,681
9. Notre Dame: 83,952 (12) = 6,996
10. Clemson: 61,415 (9) = 6,824
11. Georgia Tech: 47,487 (8) = 5,936
12. Florida State: 59,131 (10) = 5,913
13. Miami: 38.455 (8) = 4,807
14. Virginia Tech: 46,734 (10) = 4,673
15. Boston College: 24,587 (8) = 3,073

BIG EAST
1. Creighton: 152,421 (9) = 16,936
2. Marquette: 112,202 (9) = 12,467
3. Xavier: 88,267 (9) = 9,807
4. Georgetown: 78,305 (9) = 8,701
5. Villanova: 68,658 (8) = 8,582
6. Providence: 66,166 (9) = 7,352
7. Seton Hall: 57,690 (8) = 7,211
8. Butler: 51,540 (8) = 6,443
9. DePaul: 53,451 (9) = 5,939
10. St. John's: 63,568 (12) = 5,297

BIG TEN
1. Wisconsin: 155,511 (9) = 17,279
2. Nebraska: 124,395 (8) = 15,549
3. Indiana: 154,138 (10) = 15,414
4. Michigan State: 133,173 (9) = 14,797
5. Ohio State: 184,586 (13) = 14,199
6. Illinois: 111,199 (8) = 13,900
7. Iowa: 135,982 (10) = 13,598
8. Michigan: 121,615 (10) = 12,162
9. Minnesota: 115,414 (10) = 11,541
10. Maryland: 116,940 (11) = 10,631
11. Purdue: 105,073 (10) = 10,507
12. Penn State: 58,063 (8) = 7,258
13. Northwestern: 64,582 (10) = 6,458
14. Rutgers: 43,612 (9) = 4,846

PAC 12
1. Arizona: 130,806 (9) = 14,534
2. Utah: 121,452 (11) = 11,041
3. Colorado: 86,525 (9) = 9,614
4. California: 78,972 (11) = 7,179
5. UCLA: 52,533 (8) = 6,567
6. Washington: 34,670 (6) = 5,778
7. Oregon: 61,097 (11) = 5,554
8. Arizona State: 43,445 (9) = 4,827
9. Stanford: 33,934 (8) = 4,242
10. Oregon State: 32,518 (8) = 4,065
11. Southern Cal: 25,242 (8) = 3,155
12. Washington State: 9,781 (5) = 1,956

SEC
1. Kentucky: 254,218 (11) = 23,111
2. Arkansas: 145,989 (10) = 14,599
3. Tennessee: 95,403 (7) = 13,629
4. South Carolina: 84,849 (8) = 10,606
5. Florida: 72,107 (7) = 10,301
6. Alabama: 98,472 (10) = 9,847
7. Vanderbilt: 84,444 (10) = 8,444
8. LSU: 60,590 (8) = 7,574
9. Auburn: 59,740 (8) = 7,468
10. Missouri: 43,235 (7) = 6,176
11. Georgia: 50,149 (8) = 6,269
12. Mississippi: 42,832 (7) = 6,119
13. Texas A&M: 42,022 (7) = 6,003
14. Mississippi State: 52,967 (9) = 5,885

^ LOL at Washington State's attendance (1,956). I am guessing most of the CGL schools draw more than that. When you factor in their football program and their TV market the fact that they are getting $20M plus in a power conference and we are not is a freaking joke.


Also, just to show I am not a homer there are probably 10-12 other programs who "deserve" to be in the P5 over them.

I hope our attendance improves 8500 avg puts us in the lower half of B12, ACC, B10, and New BE. We barely make the top half of the SEC and are comfortable within the top 5 P12.

My apologies for clogging this thread, but here's another list. Top 100 schools in 2014 attendance. Bolded schools are non-P5. Bold and Italics are AAC. By my count, 8 P5 schools didn't even make it into the Top 100. My point with all of this - arena size just doesn't matter in the realignment game. That said, a 10,500 seat arena with better amenities and lines of site would do wonders for UC.

1. Syracuse 26,253
2. Kentucky 22,964
3. Louisville 21,282
4. North Carolina 18,025
5. Creighton 17,896
6. Indiana 17,359
7. Wisconsin 17,104
8. Ohio St. 16,474
9. Kansas 16,437
10. Memphis 16,121
11. BYU 15,875
12. Tennessee 15,475
13. Nebraska 15,419
14. Marquette 15,327
15. Illinois 15,246
16. New Mexico 15,212
17. Iowa 14,976
18. Michigan St. 14,797
19. Arizona 14,375
20. Iowa St. 14,192
21. Arkansas 14,023
22. UNLV 13,125
23. Purdue 12,738
24. Michigan 12,698
25. North Carolina St. 12,641
26. Maryland 16 12,557
27. San Diego St. 12,414
28. Dayton 12,316
29. Kansas St. 12,125
30. Virginia 11,684
31. Florida 11,471
32. Minnesota 11,255
33. Pittsburgh 11,004
34. Oklahoma 10,968
35. Alabama 10,754
36. Wichita St. 10,732
37. Oklahoma St. 10,397
38. Utah 10,311
39. Texas 10,186
40. UConn 10,134
41. South Carolina 10,074
42. Xavier 9,890
43. Utah St. 9,829
44. Colorado 9,635
45. Vanderbilt 9,534
46. Duke 9,314
47. Wake Forest 9,000
48. Villanova 8,943
49. LSU 8,910
50. Missouri 8,856
51. Georgetown 8,670
52. West Virginia 8,594
53. Cincinnati 8,567
54. Saint Louis 8,428
55. Notre Dame 8,366
56. Providence 8,347
57. UCLA 8,136
58. UTEP 8,088
59. Butler 7,788
60. Oregon 7,783
61. California 7,754
62. VCU 7,741
63. Texas Tech 7,656
64. Clemson 7,486
65. Ole Miss 7,328
66. St. John's 7,036
67. Mississippi St. 6,875
68. Weber St. 6,834
69. Boise St. 6,810
70. Baylor 6,806
71. Fresno St. 6,776
72. Northwestern 6,719
73. Arizona St. 6,687
74. Bradley 6,608
75. Georgia Tech 6,584
76. Washington 6,582
77. Massachusetts 6,544
78. Nevada 6,466
79. Hawaii 6,417
80. DePaul 6,363
81. Seton Hall 6,336
82. Florida St. 6,285
83. Penn St. 6,257
84. Georgia 6,140
85. Ohio 21 6,124
86. Richmond 6,102
87. Gonzaga 6,000
88. Temple 5,963
89. New Mexico St. 5,948
90. Indiana St. 5,946
91. Auburn 5,823
92. Old Dominion 5,778
93. Miami (FL) 5,777
94. Siena 5,707
95. SMU 5,653
96. UCF 5,298
97. Southern Ill. 5,223
98. Missouri St. 5,217
99. Texas A&M 5,216
100. Wyoming 5,151

As a UC baseball fan, I am very happy we will be able to get decent equipment now. I am interested to see who they pick up as the baseball equipment sponsor. I would think Louisville Slugger would make a decent push being so close.

Switch #13 and #14 boldness.

(01-21-2015 01:31 PM)geef Wrote:  Arena size doesn't mean a thing with respect to getting in to a major conference. This doesn't show arena size, but it does show average attendance for the P5 schools and the Big East (I ripped this off of another board). This is as of January 8, so the numbers are a bit dated. Regardless, they're relatively reflective of average annual attendance for the respective schools. If UC had a comfortable arena that held 10,500 (for argument sake) and filled it each game, they'd still be above the average attendance in each conference, with the exception of the B1G. It's all about eyeballs and perception, not arena size. For the record, we're just above 8,000 per game on the year, and that number should climb to nearly 9,000 with the teams left on the schedule. We ended last year at 8500, which was 53rd in the nation.

MENS BASKETBALL (GAMES THROUGH 1/8/15)

CONFERENCE AVERAGE
1. Big Ten: 12,010
2. ACC: 10,129
3. SEC: 9,931
4. Big 12: 9,515
5. Big East: 8,874
6. Pac 12: 6,543

BIG 12
1. Kansas: 115,427 (7) = 16,490
2. Iowa State: 113,642 (8) = 14,205
3. Kansas State: 113,377 (9) = 12,597
4. Oklahoma: 74,611 (7) = 10,659
5. Texas: 101,626 (10) = 10,163
6. West Virginia: 52,277 (6) = 8,713
7. Oklahoma State: 56,551 (8) = 7,069
8. Texas Tech: 70,741 (12) = 5,895
9. Baylor: 50,812 (9) = 5,646
10. TCU: 40,798 (9) = 3,709

ACC
1. Louisville: 229,746 (11) = 20,886
2. Syracuse: 187,280 (9) = 20,809
3. North Carolina: 127,479 (7) = 18,211
4. NC State: 176,701 (13) = 13,592
5. Virginia: 105,027 (8) = 13,128
6. Duke: 74,512 (8) = 9,314
7. Pittsburgh: 63,695 (7) = 9,099
8. Wake Forest: 95,490 (11) = 8,681
9. Notre Dame: 83,952 (12) = 6,996
10. Clemson: 61,415 (9) = 6,824
11. Georgia Tech: 47,487 (8) = 5,936
12. Florida State: 59,131 (10) = 5,913
13. Miami: 38.455 (8) = 4,807
14. Virginia Tech: 46,734 (10) = 4,673
15. Boston College: 24,587 (8) = 3,073

BIG EAST
1. Creighton: 152,421 (9) = 16,936
2. Marquette: 112,202 (9) = 12,467
3. Xavier: 88,267 (9) = 9,807
4. Georgetown: 78,305 (9) = 8,701
5. Villanova: 68,658 (8) = 8,582
6. Providence: 66,166 (9) = 7,352
7. Seton Hall: 57,690 (8) = 7,211
8. Butler: 51,540 (8) = 6,443
9. DePaul: 53,451 (9) = 5,939
10. St. John's: 63,568 (12) = 5,297

BIG TEN
1. Wisconsin: 155,511 (9) = 17,279
2. Nebraska: 124,395 (8) = 15,549
3. Indiana: 154,138 (10) = 15,414
4. Michigan State: 133,173 (9) = 14,797
5. Ohio State: 184,586 (13) = 14,199
6. Illinois: 111,199 (8) = 13,900
7. Iowa: 135,982 (10) = 13,598
8. Michigan: 121,615 (10) = 12,162
9. Minnesota: 115,414 (10) = 11,541
10. Maryland: 116,940 (11) = 10,631
11. Purdue: 105,073 (10) = 10,507
12. Penn State: 58,063 (8) = 7,258
13. Northwestern: 64,582 (10) = 6,458
14. Rutgers: 43,612 (9) = 4,846

PAC 12
1. Arizona: 130,806 (9) = 14,534
2. Utah: 121,452 (11) = 11,041
3. Colorado: 86,525 (9) = 9,614
4. California: 78,972 (11) = 7,179
5. UCLA: 52,533 (8) = 6,567
6. Washington: 34,670 (6) = 5,778
7. Oregon: 61,097 (11) = 5,554
8. Arizona State: 43,445 (9) = 4,827
9. Stanford: 33,934 (8) = 4,242
10. Oregon State: 32,518 (8) = 4,065
11. Southern Cal: 25,242 (8) = 3,155
12. Washington State: 9,781 (5) = 1,956

SEC
1. Kentucky: 254,218 (11) = 23,111
2. Arkansas: 145,989 (10) = 14,599
3. Tennessee: 95,403 (7) = 13,629
4. South Carolina: 84,849 (8) = 10,606
5. Florida: 72,107 (7) = 10,301
6. Alabama: 98,472 (10) = 9,847
7. Vanderbilt: 84,444 (10) = 8,444
8. LSU: 60,590 (8) = 7,574
9. Auburn: 59,740 (8) = 7,468
10. Missouri: 43,235 (7) = 6,176
11. Georgia: 50,149 (8) = 6,269
12. Mississippi: 42,832 (7) = 6,119
13. Texas A&M: 42,022 (7) = 6,003
14. Mississippi State: 52,967 (9) = 5,885

good info thanks for posting , let me add AAC so far this basketball season...

1. Memphis 13,702
2. UConn 11,195
3. Cincinnati 8,003
4. SMU 6,849
5. Temple 5,389
6. Tulsa 4,671
7. ECU 4,339
8. UCF 3,841
9. USF 3,453
10. Houston 2,241
11. Tulane 1,337

(01-21-2015 02:19 PM)subflea Wrote:  As a UC baseball fan, I am very happy we will be able to get decent equipment now. I am interested to see who they pick up as the baseball equipment sponsor. I would think Louisville Slugger would make a decent push being so close.

Sub, who currently sponsors the equipment for the baseball team?

Adidas.

Whose bats really suck.

(01-21-2015 03:28 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Whose bats really suck.

I've been told some people weren't real happy with the Adidas football shoes. Thought they were too flexible and might have caused some injuries.

Why do the bats suck? Is it material, design or both? Does UA have better baseball stuff?

(01-21-2015 04:11 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 03:28 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Whose bats really suck.

I've been told some people weren't real happy with the Adidas football shoes. Thought they were too flexible and might have caused some injuries.

Why do the bats suck? Is it material, design or both? Does UA have better baseball stuff?

UA doesn't make baseball gear. They will have to go outside for that (which is actually a GREAT thing as it will allow a deal with someone like Louisville Slugger).

(01-21-2015 04:11 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 03:28 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Whose bats really suck.

I've been told some people weren't real happy with the Adidas football shoes. Thought they were too flexible and might have caused some injuries.

Why do the bats suck? Is it material, design or both? Does UA have better baseball stuff?

My understanding is that UA doesn't do baseball stuff, so it will allow UC baseball to pick a provider they deem best.

No idea why Adidas doesn't do well in baseball but I played baseball competitively growing up and never saw Adidas gear anywhere.

UA does cleats/batting gloves. I would imagine the team would use both of those.

(01-21-2015 04:11 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 03:28 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Whose bats really suck.

I've been told some people weren't real happy with the Adidas football shoes. Thought they were too flexible and might have caused some injuries.

Why do the bats suck? Is it material, design or both? Does UA have better baseball stuff?

IMO, small sweet spot. Not well weighted. Not as much pop as many of the BBCOR models out there. Not offered in enough specs to match different swing types.

For H.S. and above, they do not make the list when talking about quality bats. Go to a H.S. majors travel tourney where the kids have the best and you won't see one in any bat bag.

(01-21-2015 04:48 PM)airjrdan08 Wrote:  UA does cleats/batting gloves. I would imagine the team would use both of those.

FWIW, a Doc I know who does legs and backs tells his patients, my sons being 2 of them, to steer clear of UA cleats. Says they look cool but the support is awful and causes issues.

(01-21-2015 05:38 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 04:11 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 03:28 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Whose bats really suck.

I've been told some people weren't real happy with the Adidas football shoes. Thought they were too flexible and might have caused some injuries.

Why do the bats suck? Is it material, design or both? Does UA have better baseball stuff?

IMO, small sweet spot. Not well weighted. Not as much pop as many of the BBCOR models out there. Not offered in enough specs to match different swing types.

For H.S. and above, they do not make the list when talking about quality bats. Go to a H.S. majors travel tourney where the kids have the best and you won't see one in any bat bag.

I am so old that last time I picked up a bat it was a Mizuno, spell check. Are they still around.