(01-04-2015 01:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:20 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 04:19 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 02:36 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 10:43 PM)john01992 Wrote:  You mean the same SEC east that got killed by the SEC West in conference play and went 0-4 against the ACC n rivalry week???

They must remind you of the Big XII...

Come on now.

I know Knightsweat. Just making a pointed comment in response to a guy who based his entire opinion of the SEC on one week. With a six or eight slot playoff we would have seen TCU get their chance. That sucked. They murdered their bowl opponent. On a separate note, what is the plan for OU. Think it was just a down year or is it time for Stoops to maybe move on?

Stoops isn't moving on, Oklahoma is.

That's probably closer to the truth. I think Bob needs to look at the numbers and make some tough decisions. If he doesn't I could see his brother Mike dragging him down because Bob won't fire his brother imo, and he needs to. Defense was terrible.

Lots of others want the OC gone too, but like his brother, Heupel is his NC winning QB from 2000. But his skill at QB isn't crossing over to a good OC. Doubt Bob fires him either.

So new/better coaches are needed, just doubt Big Game Bob believes that.

(01-04-2015 05:51 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:20 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 04:19 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 02:36 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  They must remind you of the Big XII...

Come on now.

I know Knightsweat. Just making a pointed comment in response to a guy who based his entire opinion of the SEC on one week. With a six or eight slot playoff we would have seen TCU get their chance. That sucked. They murdered their bowl opponent. On a separate note, what is the plan for OU. Think it was just a down year or is it time for Stoops to maybe move on?

Stoops isn't moving on, Oklahoma is.

That's probably closer to the truth. I think Bob needs to look at the numbers and make some tough decisions. If he doesn't I could see his brother Mike dragging him down because Bob won't fire his brother imo, and he needs to. Defense was terrible.

Lots of others want the OC gone too, but like his brother, Heupel is his NC winning QB from 2000. But his skill at QB isn't crossing over to a good OC. Doubt Bob fires him either.

So new/better coaches are needed, just doubt Big Game Bob believes that.

Well, I was actually alluding to something else but I don't disagree with what you are saying.

(01-04-2015 05:54 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 05:51 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:20 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 04:19 AM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Come on now.

I know Knightsweat. Just making a pointed comment in response to a guy who based his entire opinion of the SEC on one week. With a six or eight slot playoff we would have seen TCU get their chance. That sucked. They murdered their bowl opponent. On a separate note, what is the plan for OU. Think it was just a down year or is it time for Stoops to maybe move on?

Stoops isn't moving on, Oklahoma is.

That's probably closer to the truth. I think Bob needs to look at the numbers and make some tough decisions. If he doesn't I could see his brother Mike dragging him down because Bob won't fire his brother imo, and he needs to. Defense was terrible.

Lots of others want the OC gone too, but like his brother, Heupel is his NC winning QB from 2000. But his skill at QB isn't crossing over to a good OC. Doubt Bob fires him either.

So new/better coaches are needed, just doubt Big Game Bob believes that.

Well, I was actually alluding to something else but I don't disagree with what you are saying.

I guess i'm missing what you're alluding to.

(01-04-2015 05:56 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 05:54 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 05:51 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:20 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  I know Knightsweat. Just making a pointed comment in response to a guy who based his entire opinion of the SEC on one week. With a six or eight slot playoff we would have seen TCU get their chance. That sucked. They murdered their bowl opponent. On a separate note, what is the plan for OU. Think it was just a down year or is it time for Stoops to maybe move on?

Stoops isn't moving on, Oklahoma is.

That's probably closer to the truth. I think Bob needs to look at the numbers and make some tough decisions. If he doesn't I could see his brother Mike dragging him down because Bob won't fire his brother imo, and he needs to. Defense was terrible.

Lots of others want the OC gone too, but like his brother, Heupel is his NC winning QB from 2000. But his skill at QB isn't crossing over to a good OC. Doubt Bob fires him either.

So new/better coaches are needed, just doubt Big Game Bob believes that.

Well, I was actually alluding to something else but I don't disagree with what you are saying.

I guess i'm missing what you're alluding to.

The whole "moving on" thing? I didn't mean moving on away from Stoops. I meant something else.

(01-04-2015 06:11 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 05:56 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 05:54 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 05:51 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 01:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Stoops isn't moving on, Oklahoma is.

That's probably closer to the truth. I think Bob needs to look at the numbers and make some tough decisions. If he doesn't I could see his brother Mike dragging him down because Bob won't fire his brother imo, and he needs to. Defense was terrible.

Lots of others want the OC gone too, but like his brother, Heupel is his NC winning QB from 2000. But his skill at QB isn't crossing over to a good OC. Doubt Bob fires him either.

So new/better coaches are needed, just doubt Big Game Bob believes that.

Well, I was actually alluding to something else but I don't disagree with what you are saying.

I guess i'm missing what you're alluding to.

The whole "moving on" thing? I didn't mean moving on away from Stoops. I meant something else.

Ah, okay.

The SEC is a good football conference, not a great one. It' hasn't been the last 2 years.

The Top teams in the SEC are no longer the top teams in college football.

0-5 in their last 5 BCS/Big 6 games, 1-6 in their last 7. What more evidence would one need?

The Pac 12 has surpassed it. It is still ahead of the Big 10, ACC and the Big 12 who brings up the rear these days.

TCU was a fine team, but Baylor was overrated, and the rest of the Big 12 was pretty much garbage.

If OOC results don't tell you conference pecking order then you're blind to what happened in 2014.

Power 5 vs Power 5 - it doesn't get any simpler than this.

Pac-12, 13-4
SEC, 11-11
ACC, 12-13
Big Ten, 11-15
Big 12, 6-11

(01-03-2015 12:18 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Let's try this suit on a different way. Everyone is full on board the SEC West bashing train, but no one is talking about that "pitiful" SEC East who is about to run the bowl table against some very good opponents. We have a lot of parity this year, but I would not call us weak...

Well the irony of it all is how they bash the SEC West for being weak or overrated, then brag about how their team beat an SEC West team.

(01-04-2015 10:43 PM)GTTiger Wrote:  The SEC is a good football conference, not a great one. It' hasn't been the last 2 years.

The Top teams in the SEC are no longer the top teams in college football.

0-5 in their last 5 BCS/Big 6 games, 1-6 in their last 7. What more evidence would one need?

The Pac 12 has surpassed it. It is still ahead of the Big 10, ACC and the Big 12 who brings up the rear these days.

TCU was a fine team, but Baylor was overrated, and the rest of the Big 12 was pretty much garbage.

If OOC results don't tell you conference pecking order then you're blind to what happened in 2014.

Power 5 vs Power 5 - it doesn't get any simpler than this.

Pac-12, 13-4
SEC, 11-11
ACC, 12-13
Big Ten, 11-15
Big 12, 6-11

Yes, the PAC was clearly the best this year.

Man, you guys need to learn about Bowls, and Bowl Matchups.

(01-05-2015 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 12:18 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Let's try this suit on a different way. Everyone is full on board the SEC West bashing train, but no one is talking about that "pitiful" SEC East who is about to run the bowl table against some very good opponents. We have a lot of parity this year, but I would not call us weak...

Well the irony of it all is how they bash the SEC West for being weak or overrated, then brag about how their team beat an SEC West team.

There's no irony there. The SEC west was sold as NFL junior and ended up being "just" a good college division. It was overrated, but beating a team from the top of a good college division is reason to brag. Being overrated is not the same as being bad.

(01-05-2015 11:31 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 12:18 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Let's try this suit on a different way. Everyone is full on board the SEC West bashing train, but no one is talking about that "pitiful" SEC East who is about to run the bowl table against some very good opponents. We have a lot of parity this year, but I would not call us weak...

Well the irony of it all is how they bash the SEC West for being weak or overrated, then brag about how their team beat an SEC West team.

There's no irony there. The SEC west was sold as NFL junior and ended up being "just" a good college division. It was overrated, but beating a team from the top of a good college division is reason to brag. Being overrated is not the same as being bad.

Imagine the narrative if the Big 10 had gone 0-5 in BCS games and gotten dominated in 4 of those 5 games. Well one conference has gone 0-5 in BCS games over the last 2 years.

(01-06-2015 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 11:31 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 12:18 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Let's try this suit on a different way. Everyone is full on board the SEC West bashing train, but no one is talking about that "pitiful" SEC East who is about to run the bowl table against some very good opponents. We have a lot of parity this year, but I would not call us weak...

Well the irony of it all is how they bash the SEC West for being weak or overrated, then brag about how their team beat an SEC West team.

There's no irony there. The SEC west was sold as NFL junior and ended up being "just" a good college division. It was overrated, but beating a team from the top of a good college division is reason to brag. Being overrated is not the same as being bad.

Imagine the narrative if the Big 10 had gone 0-5 in BCS games and gotten dominated in 4 of those 5 games. Well one conference has gone 0-5 in BCS games over the last 2 years.

Are you trying to imply that the SEC and/or SEC west is weak?

(01-05-2015 11:31 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 12:18 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Let's try this suit on a different way. Everyone is full on board the SEC West bashing train, but no one is talking about that "pitiful" SEC East who is about to run the bowl table against some very good opponents. We have a lot of parity this year, but I would not call us weak...

Well the irony of it all is how they bash the SEC West for being weak or overrated, then brag about how their team beat an SEC West team.

There's no irony there. The SEC west was sold as NFL junior and ended up being "just" a good college division. It was overrated, but beating a team from the top of a good college division is reason to brag. Being overrated is not the same as being bad.

It is most certainly irony. These guys are bragging about their team beating a mighty SEC team, then in the same breath talking about how weak the mighty SEC is. Maybe in 2011 the SEC West (LSU & Alabama) could have been sold as NFL Jr. This year they could have been sold as Mid Major Average.

(01-06-2015 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 11:31 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 12:18 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Let's try this suit on a different way. Everyone is full on board the SEC West bashing train, but no one is talking about that "pitiful" SEC East who is about to run the bowl table against some very good opponents. We have a lot of parity this year, but I would not call us weak...

Well the irony of it all is how they bash the SEC West for being weak or overrated, then brag about how their team beat an SEC West team.

There's no irony there. The SEC west was sold as NFL junior and ended up being "just" a good college division. It was overrated, but beating a team from the top of a good college division is reason to brag. Being overrated is not the same as being bad.

Imagine the narrative if the Big 10 had gone 0-5 in BCS games and gotten dominated in 4 of those 5 games. Well one conference has gone 0-5 in BCS games over the last 2 years.

I'm not a trash talker because I don't like having to eat crow. Having said that, if any conference goes winless in bowls, I don't pick and laugh. Maybe it's just me though.

All of this is being argued over with the benefit of hindsight.

(01-06-2015 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 11:31 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 12:18 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Let's try this suit on a different way. Everyone is full on board the SEC West bashing train, but no one is talking about that "pitiful" SEC East who is about to run the bowl table against some very good opponents. We have a lot of parity this year, but I would not call us weak...

Well the irony of it all is how they bash the SEC West for being weak or overrated, then brag about how their team beat an SEC West team.

There's no irony there. The SEC west was sold as NFL junior and ended up being "just" a good college division. It was overrated, but beating a team from the top of a good college division is reason to brag. Being overrated is not the same as being bad.

Imagine the narrative if the Big 10 had gone 0-5 in BCS games and gotten dominated in 4 of those 5 games. Well one conference has gone 0-5 in BCS games over the last 2 years.

If by domination you mean like what Arkansas did to Texas then only 2 of those 5 games qualify. Auburn wasn't dominated by a school that scored with 13 seconds left to win the Natty. Oklahoma did dominate Alabama and T.C.U. did dominate Ole Miss. Georgia Tech and Miss State had a game for 3 quarters before the Jackets pulled away so that one is borderline domination. Ohio State won, but the game was competitive throughout. However I believe Texas's total offense was less than 35 yards for the game and those rough ole Razorbacks left little hoof prints all over the Texas D. If that is the kind of domination you speak of Bullet then maybe 2 games for the SEC qualify. But then OU got dominated too this year! And Baylor for the second consecutive year left us with a head scratcher!

Nice try to deflect the conversation off of your precious Big 12, but somehow I don't think the SEC is in quite the same precarious position as the Big 12 finds itself in with regards to its future.

(01-06-2015 04:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-06-2015 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 11:31 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 12:18 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Let's try this suit on a different way. Everyone is full on board the SEC West bashing train, but no one is talking about that "pitiful" SEC East who is about to run the bowl table against some very good opponents. We have a lot of parity this year, but I would not call us weak...

Well the irony of it all is how they bash the SEC West for being weak or overrated, then brag about how their team beat an SEC West team.

There's no irony there. The SEC west was sold as NFL junior and ended up being "just" a good college division. It was overrated, but beating a team from the top of a good college division is reason to brag. Being overrated is not the same as being bad.

Imagine the narrative if the Big 10 had gone 0-5 in BCS games and gotten dominated in 4 of those 5 games. Well one conference has gone 0-5 in BCS games over the last 2 years.

If by domination you mean like what Arkansas did to Texas then only 2 of those 5 games qualify. Auburn wasn't dominated by a school that scored with 13 seconds left to win the Natty. Oklahoma did dominate Alabama and T.C.U. did dominate Ole Miss. Georgia Tech and Miss State had a game for 3 quarters before the Jackets pulled away so that one is borderline domination. Ohio State won, but the game was competitive throughout. However I believe Texas's total offense was less than 35 yards for the game and those rough ole Razorbacks left little hoof prints all over the Texas D. If that is the kind of domination you speak of Bullet then maybe 2 games for the SEC qualify. But then OU got dominated too this year! And Baylor for the second consecutive year left us with a head scratcher!

Nice try to deflect the conversation off of your precious Big 12, but somehow I don't think the SEC is in quite the same precarious position as the Big 12 finds itself in with regards to its future.

TCU 42 Ole Miss 3
GT 49 MSU 34
Ohio St. 42 Alabama 35 in a game not as close as the score
FSU 34 Auburn 31
Oklahoma 45 Alabama 31

The vaunted SEC defenses gave up an average of 42.4 points per game.

oh for 5 in BCS bowls. Has any conference lost 5 straight BCS bowls before? ACC maybe.

(01-06-2015 04:16 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-06-2015 04:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-06-2015 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 11:31 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Well the irony of it all is how they bash the SEC West for being weak or overrated, then brag about how their team beat an SEC West team.

There's no irony there. The SEC west was sold as NFL junior and ended up being "just" a good college division. It was overrated, but beating a team from the top of a good college division is reason to brag. Being overrated is not the same as being bad.

Imagine the narrative if the Big 10 had gone 0-5 in BCS games and gotten dominated in 4 of those 5 games. Well one conference has gone 0-5 in BCS games over the last 2 years.

If by domination you mean like what Arkansas did to Texas then only 2 of those 5 games qualify. Auburn wasn't dominated by a school that scored with 13 seconds left to win the Natty. Oklahoma did dominate Alabama and T.C.U. did dominate Ole Miss. Georgia Tech and Miss State had a game for 3 quarters before the Jackets pulled away so that one is borderline domination. Ohio State won, but the game was competitive throughout. However I believe Texas's total offense was less than 35 yards for the game and those rough ole Razorbacks left little hoof prints all over the Texas D. If that is the kind of domination you speak of Bullet then maybe 2 games for the SEC qualify. But then OU got dominated too this year! And Baylor for the second consecutive year left us with a head scratcher!

Nice try to deflect the conversation off of your precious Big 12, but somehow I don't think the SEC is in quite the same precarious position as the Big 12 finds itself in with regards to its future.

TCU 42 Ole Miss 3
GT 49 MSU 34
Ohio St. 42 Alabama 35 in a game not as close as the score
FSU 34 Auburn 31
Oklahoma 45 Alabama 31

The vaunted SEC defenses gave up an average of 42.4 points per game.

oh for 5 in BCS bowls. Has any conference lost 5 straight BCS bowls before? ACC maybe.

A small price to pay for 7 straight BCS Natty's. Besides that is why we are selling tickets to next years games today. I do think there has been some laurel resting by some of our top programs. I'll be interested to see what kind of hunger / or lack thereof is present among them next year.

This year's performance will be a lot harder not to take seriously than Alabama's loss after last year's Iron Bowl. The SEC had several seminal moments this year prior to the bowl games to be fair. A&M's stomping of South Carolina was the first. Missouri's loss to Indiana was the second, but Mizzou has a history of beating somebody they shouldn't and losing one they shouldn't that goes back way into their Big 12 days. Auburn's total lack of a defense this year was one moment. Alabama's 1 point squeaker over the Hogs was another uh oh moment. Ole Miss losing the only receiver they had that opened up their running game in their loss to Auburn was another, and then Alabama giving up 44 to my Tigers was when I knew for sure that the Tide was in trouble. (Well I kind of knew they were when they hired Kiffin but that's another story.) L.S.U. has underachieved for 3 years now. So yeah in retrospect all the signs were there. Now we will see how we respond. But, I like our chances to get back in the hunt.

(01-06-2015 04:16 PM)bullet Wrote:  oh for 5 in BCS bowls. Has any conference lost 5 straight BCS bowls before? ACC maybe.

Notre Dame lost 4 BCS bowls. Not back to back, but that's their losing streak and they'll never get to stop it. Never won a single BCS Bowl.

Fiesta Bowl in 2000 (lost 41-9 to Org St)
Fiesta Bowl in 2005 (lost 34-20 to tOSU)
Sugar Bowl in 2006 (lost 41-14 to LSU)
BCS NC on 2013 (lost 42 -14 to Alabama)

(01-06-2015 04:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  A small price to pay for 7 straight BCS Natty's. Besides that is why we are selling tickets to next years games today. I do think there has been some laurel resting by some of our top programs. I'll be interested to see what kind of hunger / or lack thereof is present among them next year.

This year's performance will be a lot harder not to take seriously than Alabama's loss after last year's Iron Bowl. The SEC had several seminal moments this year prior to the bowl games to be fair. A&M's stomping of South Carolina was the first. Missouri's loss to Indiana was the second, but Mizzou has a history of beating somebody they shouldn't and losing one they shouldn't that goes back way into their Big 12 days. Auburn's total lack of a defense this year was one moment. Alabama's 1 point squeaker over the Hogs was another uh oh moment. Ole Miss losing the only receiver they had that opened up their running game in their loss to Auburn was another, and then Alabama giving up 44 to my Tigers was when I knew for sure that the Tide was in trouble. (Well I kind of knew they were when they hired Kiffin but that's another story.) L.S.U. has underachieved for 3 years now. So yeah in retrospect all the signs were there. Now we will see how we respond. But, I like our chances to get back in the hunt.

Besides all of that, the SEC powerhouses were rebuilding this year and had a lot of inexperience in key roles. Next year, and 2016 will be totally different stories.