For reasons that have never been explained to me, Army is unable to compete on the same level as Navy. I don't know if they can't do it or if they don't want to.
If they could be competitive, I bet the AAC would want them.
C-USA is not the caliber league it once was, but Army joining for 2015 would be highly improbable due to the number of games that would have to be bought out by Army.
In theory UMass could replace UAB in C-USA West, and it would only affect a scheduled non-conference game with FIU, which could be left untouched as long UMass and FIU don't play each other in a conference game. The MAC would then be able to go back to a proper divisional schedule with 12 teams.
(12-27-2014 11:55 PM)chargeradio Wrote: C-USA is not the caliber league it once was, but Army joining for 2015 would be highly improbable due to the number of games that would have to be bought out by Army.
Yes, the 2015 argument is that no exit fee = free, but with 2 FCS games, 2 each AAC, ACC and BigTen games and a MAC game to fit into the 2 OOC games left over after Air Force and Navy ... that could be expensive. And the cheapest option would also drop the games they are most likely to win. Getting out of Rutgers in Yankee Stadium would be likely to be particularly expensive.
Quote: In theory UMass could replace UAB in C-USA West, and it would only affect a scheduled non-conference game with FIU, which could be left untouched as long UMass and FIU don't play each other in a conference game. The MAC would then be able to go back to a proper divisional schedule with 12 teams.
AFAICT, there's still an exit fee for leaving earlier, but the savings in not being Independent would likely cover that for UMass.
The Conference could schedule the FIU game as a conference game at that time, and then there is no buy out either way, since both would have to back out of the OOC contract at the same time and for the same reason.
(12-27-2014 09:08 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote: The Academies are not realistic options.
If we go with another SunBelt or one of the other obscure conferences, then I'd rather UTEP leave.
Leave? The only conference with an opening is the SBC. Is that where you want UTEP? Indy for fb (which would not work for UTEP) and where for other sports? The WAC? You must be kidding or just didn't think about it because UTEP is in a good situation right now. ULL, ASU or TSU would all be good additions for the 14th spot. ULL would be my personal favorite but the LT fans object.
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I think Louisiana is the best team in the Sun Belt right now! If I was C-USA I would add them. Thought they should have been added the first time over LA Tech. They have a large students body and more fan support. Louisiana Tech some how got to claim Shreveport. Also App State would be a good add and a good rival for Charlotte, Georgia Southern, and Arkansas State (would also add a state you are missing, but now missing Alabama?) would not be terrible either.
I'm of the opinion that the doors are always open to Army, Navy, and AFA to virtually any FBS conference. It's that they just don't march to same cadence as everyone else.
Army's got a bit of an elitist sitting as their AD. Were it up to him, he'd figure out a way to move Army fully into Patsy or move them into the Ivy League.
I doubt they're competitive again until he's gone. He has no grasp on the program and the landscape, convenient for an institution as unique as they are, even if the recruiting footprints are a home run.
(12-27-2014 06:25 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote: Army did not like our conference and we need an all-sports. Add ulala and let's move on.
Add South Alabama and let's move on.
Not sure why tech hates Cajuns so bad that you'd want a lower add for your own conference.
Because it would significantly damage or program. ... just like I suspect y'all don't South Alabama. Instead of one strong team from Louisiana, CUSA would have two watered down teams. ... why is that so hard to understand?
Savacool alert......
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(12-27-2014 06:25 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote: Army did not like our conference and we need an all-sports. Add ulala and let's move on.
Add South Alabama and let's move on.
Not sure why tech hates Cajuns so bad that you'd want a lower add for your own conference.
Because it would significantly damage or program. ... just like I suspect y'all don't South Alabama. Instead of one strong team from Louisiana, CUSA would have two watered down teams. ... why is that so hard to understand?
How would it water down your team? I don't understand this argument at all... Is the MWC "watered down" because it has both Nevada and UNLV? Is the AAC "watered down" because it has both SMU and UH... Their may be other reasons you don't want to add ULL, but I don't see how it would "water down" your team. Ya'll are in completely different areas of the state.
Exactly. But I'm still waiting for him to respond to this. The obvious truth is that the only thing that this would hurt would be ltu's pride......and perhaps finally burst the delusional state of mind they live in.
(12-27-2014 06:25 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote: Army did not like our conference and we need an all-sports. Add ulala and let's move on.
Add South Alabama and let's move on.
Not sure why tech hates Cajuns so bad that you'd want a lower add for your own conference.
They scared. We are in the Sun Belt and still hurt their recruiting. It was never an issue before Hud because we were mediocre even in our best years. Now that we have won 4 bowl games in a row, completed part of the expansion plan they are deathly afraid of being in the same league as the Cajuns.
(12-28-2014 10:36 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: I'm of the opinion that the doors are always open to Army, Navy, and AFA to virtually any FBS conference. It's that they just don't march to same cadence as everyone else.
If this is a euphemism for "they can't compete", you are correct.
(12-27-2014 10:45 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: How would it water down your team? I don't understand this argument at all... Is the MWC "watered down" because it has both Nevada and UNLV? Is the AAC "watered down" because it has both SMU and UH... Their may be other reasons you don't want to add ULL, but I don't see how it would "water down" your team. Ya'll are in completely different areas of the state.
North Louisiana is very rural. Most of Louisiana's population is south of Alexandria. South Louisiana has a lot of recruits that we go after, and right now, we have a distinct advantage over ULhyphenL. An example of this competition is when the cajuns invited our recruits to the Tech UL-L game. As expected, we beat the crap out of them. But, it still goes to show how both schools have a limited pool to draw from in the State after the SEC blows through. Putting them on the same level as us would simply dilute our recruiting. I suspect it would hurt Southern Miss too; which shocks me every time I see a Southern Miss fan support the hyphens.
(12-27-2014 10:45 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: How would it water down your team? I don't understand this argument at all... Is the MWC "watered down" because it has both Nevada and UNLV? Is the AAC "watered down" because it has both SMU and UH... Their may be other reasons you don't want to add ULL, but I don't see how it would "water down" your team. Ya'll are in completely different areas of the state.
North Louisiana is very rural. Most of Louisiana's population is south of Alexandria. South Louisiana has a lot of recruits that we go after, and right now, we have a distinct advantage over ULhyphenL. An example of this competition is when the cajuns invited our recruits to the Tech UL-L game. As expected, we beat the crap out of them. But, it still goes to show how both schools have a limited pool to draw from in the State after the SEC blows through. Putting them on the same level as us would simply dilute our recruiting. I suspect it would hurt Southern Miss too; which shocks me every time I see a Southern Miss fan support the hyphens.
You have a 'distinct advantage' over UL? Do you really believe it when you make such outrageous comments? They are so far from reality it's hard to imagine you can say that with a straight face.
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(12-27-2014 10:45 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: How would it water down your team? I don't understand this argument at all... Is the MWC "watered down" because it has both Nevada and UNLV? Is the AAC "watered down" because it has both SMU and UH... Their may be other reasons you don't want to add ULL, but I don't see how it would "water down" your team. Ya'll are in completely different areas of the state.
North Louisiana is very rural. Most of Louisiana's population is south of Alexandria. South Louisiana has a lot of recruits that we go after, and right now, we have a distinct advantage over ULhyphenL. An example of this competition is when the cajuns invited our recruits to the Tech UL-L game. As expected, we beat the crap out of them. But, it still goes to show how both schools have a limited pool to draw from in the State after the SEC blows through. Putting them on the same level as us would simply dilute our recruiting. I suspect it would hurt Southern Miss too; which shocks me every time I see a Southern Miss fan support the hyphens.
You have a 'distinct advantage' over UL? Do you really believe it when you make such outrageous comments? They are so far from reality it's hard to imagine you can say that with a straight face.
Seriously? When was the last time y'all beat us? Which conference are you in? Who is making improvements to the stadium other than adding tractor sheds in the endzone? How could I not say it with a straight face?
(12-27-2014 10:45 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: How would it water down your team? I don't understand this argument at all... Is the MWC "watered down" because it has both Nevada and UNLV? Is the AAC "watered down" because it has both SMU and UH... Their may be other reasons you don't want to add ULL, but I don't see how it would "water down" your team. Ya'll are in completely different areas of the state.
North Louisiana is very rural. Most of Louisiana's population is south of Alexandria. South Louisiana has a lot of recruits that we go after, and right now, we have a distinct advantage over ULhyphenL. An example of this competition is when the cajuns invited our recruits to the Tech UL-L game. As expected, we beat the crap out of them. But, it still goes to show how both schools have a limited pool to draw from in the State after the SEC blows through. Putting them on the same level as us would simply dilute our recruiting. I suspect it would hurt Southern Miss too; which shocks me every time I see a Southern Miss fan support the hyphens.
You have a 'distinct advantage' over UL? Do you really believe it when you make such outrageous comments? They are so far from reality it's hard to imagine you can say that with a straight face.
Seriously? When was the last time y'all beat us? Which conference are you in? Who is making improvements to the stadium other than adding tractor sheds in the endzone? How could I not say it with a straight face?
This is coming from the school that has an outhouse for a ticket booth? Cajun Field, Cajundome, Lafayette -vs- Ruston, our fan base, etc......any neutral observer would have no trouble understanding the reality of things.
But again, if we are truly as bad as you portray us it's hard to see how us simply moving to cusa would have such a huge impact on your team/recruiting.
Have a nice evening.
(12-27-2014 10:45 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: How would it water down your team? I don't understand this argument at all... Is the MWC "watered down" because it has both Nevada and UNLV? Is the AAC "watered down" because it has both SMU and UH... Their may be other reasons you don't want to add ULL, but I don't see how it would "water down" your team. Ya'll are in completely different areas of the state.
North Louisiana is very rural. Most of Louisiana's population is south of Alexandria. South Louisiana has a lot of recruits that we go after, and right now, we have a distinct advantage over ULhyphenL. An example of this competition is when the cajuns invited our recruits to the Tech UL-L game. As expected, we beat the crap out of them. But, it still goes to show how both schools have a limited pool to draw from in the State after the SEC blows through. Putting them on the same level as us would simply dilute our recruiting. I suspect it would hurt Southern Miss too; which shocks me every time I see a Southern Miss fan support the hyphens.
You have a 'distinct advantage' over UL? Do you really believe it when you make such outrageous comments? They are so far from reality it's hard to imagine you can say that with a straight face.
Seriously? When was the last time y'all beat us? Which conference are you in? Who is making improvements to the stadium other than adding tractor sheds in the endzone? How could I not say it with a straight face?
Dude we unveiled a Master Plan and executed a small phase of that plan in less than 2 years. We will have added 5800 seats and a 75,000 sqft Athletic Peformance Center by the end of 2015. You guys announced an end zone facility 5 years ago and still have not completed it.
Y'all have won 7 in a row, this was the first year that La Tech defeated a decent Cajuns team in 30 years. Let's look at this next financial audit and see where our respective athletic budgets are. I have heard from very good sources that we have overtaken La Tech in athletic budgets by over $1 million.
La Tech has had a 15 year head start on our program. Six years ago when we had a turnover in the administration we have passed them up. That is why you have seen such outrage at even mentioning Louisiana as a replacement for UAB.
They are correct that the ONLY thing that has benefited La Tech over the past 4 years is conference affiliation. They have had a slight advantage due to a different patch on their jerseys. If, and it is a big if, Louisiana were to be voted as the next team in it would severely hurt La Tech.
We already have a better baseball, basketball, and softball program than La Tech does.
Also, for those who weren't aware, we pretty much ran the board on the annual All-LSWA Team, with E. McGuire winning Offensive Player of the year & C. Ringo claiming the Defensive Player of the year. In total, 8 Cajuns were named on the list. Guess these guys just didn't get that memo about all the 'distinct advantages' that ltu has to offer, lol.
Bottom line is the ltu folks are the last source you should use for info on us......for very obvious reasons.
(12-28-2014 10:36 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: I'm of the opinion that the doors are always open to Army, Navy, and AFA to virtually any FBS conference. It's that they just don't march to same cadence as everyone else.
The Academy "national following" is awfully easy to over-state, since the majority of officers that did not go to the Academies are much less likely to pay a lot of attention to any games other than the inter-service games. Its not nothing ... which is why a service academy will have a warm welcome in a Go5 conference, but would struggle to bring enough value to justify an add to any of the P5 conferences.
It wasn't a mere coincidence that the AQ conference that made an invite to the most successful of the service academies was the one that lost its AQ status and dropped down into the Go5. And Army is further from being P5 material than Navy was.
Quote: Army's got a bit of an elitist sitting as their AD. Were it up to him, he'd figure out a way to move Army fully into Patsy or move them into the Ivy League.
I doubt they're competitive again until he's gone. He has no grasp on the program and the landscape, convenient for an institution as unique as they are, even if the recruiting footprints are a home run.
There's also the Commandant to consider ... but the basic impediments of the post-academy service requirement interfering with recruitment of HS athletes with visions (whether or not realistic) of going to the NFL and physical conditioning requirements interfering with having a P5 sized O-line and D-line are not going to go away, no matter who is AD.
(12-28-2014 10:29 PM)RougeDawg Wrote: Top hits from the last time y'all beat us:
Also, we actually build the facilities that we propose. You will have a chance to see that when you come up for your next ass whipping.
That's why it was reduced by nearly $7 million from the original proposal. Give me a break. Just like y'all deliver the Shreveport market. The NYT fan map seems to dispute that claim.
Again, as an athletic program we are on the verge of blowing the doors off of La Tech while still in the Sun Belt.
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Could Army be the solution?
