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ISIS tries to justify slavery, sex with girls.
They believe sex (including intercourse) is ok with prepubescent girls. They have a detailed rule book on slavery and rape of small children; when it is permissible and when it is not. It may also discuss when murder is acceptable.

I'm on a phone and don't know how to link the article without a laptop. Maybe someone can find it on cnn.com? I found it on their app.

These may be the worst humans on the planet and no other culture is even close. I wonder how multiculturalists feel about ISIS. Are they people "just like us"?
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"Question 1: What is al-sabi?

"Al-Sabi is a woman from among ahl al-harb [the people of war] who has been captured by Muslims.

"Question 2: What makes al-sabi permissible?

"What makes al-sabi permissible [i.e., what makes it permissible to take such a woman captive] is [her] unbelief. Unbelieving [women] who were captured and brought into the abode of Islam are permissible to us, after the imam distributes them [among us]."

"Question 3: Can all unbelieving women be taken captive?

"There is no dispute among the scholars that it is permissible to capture unbelieving women [who are characterized by] original unbelief [kufr asli], such as the kitabiyat [women from among the People of the Book, i.e. Jews and Christians] and polytheists. However, [the scholars] are disputed over [the issue of] capturing apostate women. The consensus leans towards forbidding it, though some people of knowledge think it permissible. We [ISIS] lean towards accepting the consensus…"

"Question 4: Is it permissible to have intercourse with a female captive?

"It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with the female captive. Allah the almighty said: '[Successful are the believers] who guard their chastity, except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are free from blame [Koran 23:5-6]'..."

"Question 5: Is it permissible to have intercourse with a female captive immediately after taking possession [of her]?

"If she is a virgin, he [her master] can have intercourse with her immediately after taking possession of her. However, is she isn't, her uterus must be purified [first]…"

"Question 6: Is it permissible to sell a female captive?

"It is permissible to buy, sell, or give as a gift female captives and slaves, for they are merely property, which can be disposed of [as long as that doesn't cause [the Muslim ummah] any harm or damage."

"Question 7: Is it permissible to separate a mother from her children through [the act of] buying and selling?

"It is not permissible to separate a mother from her prepubescent children through buying, selling or giving away [a captive or slave]. [But] it is permissible to separate them if the children are grown and mature."

"Question 8: If two or more [men] buy a female captive together, does she then become [sexually] permissible to each of them?

"It is forbidden to have intercourse with a female captive if [the master] does not own her exclusively. One who owns [a captive] in partnership [with others] may not have sexual intercourse with her until the other [owners] sell or give him [their share]."

"Question 9: If the female captive was impregnated by her owner, can he then sell her?

"He can't sell her if she becomes the mother of a child..."

"Question 10: If a man dies, what is the law regarding the female captive he owned?

"Female captives are distributed as part of his estate, just as all [other parts] of his estate [are distributed]. However, they may only provide services, not intercourse, if a father or [one of the] sons has already had intercourse with them, or if several [people] inherit them in partnership."

"Question 11: May a man have intercourse with the female slave of his wife?

"A man may not have intercourse with the female slave of his wife, because [the slave] is owned by someone else."

"Question 12: May a man kiss the female slave of another, with the owner's permission?

"A man may not kiss the female slave of another, for kissing [involves] pleasure, and pleasure is prohibited unless [the man] owns [the slave] exclusively."

"Question 13: Is it permissible to have intercourse with a female slave who has not reached puberty?

"It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn't reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse; however if she is not fit for intercourse, then it is enough to enjoy her without intercourse."

"Question 14: What private parts of the female slave's body must be concealed during prayer?

"Her private body parts [that must be concealed] during prayer are the same as those [that must be concealed] outside [prayer], and they [include] everything besides the head, neck, hands and feet."

"Question 15: May a female slave meet foreign men without wearing a hijab?

"A female slave is allowed to expose her head, neck, hands, and feet in front of foreign men if fitna [enticement] can be avoided. However, if fitna is present, or of there is fear that it will occur, then it [i.e. exposing these body parts becomes] forbidden."

"Question 16: Can two sisters be taken together while taking slaves?

"It is permissible to have two sisters, a female slave and her aunt [her father's sister], or a female slave and her aunt [from her mother's side]. But they cannot be together during intercourse, [and] whoever has intercourse with one of them cannot have intercourse with the other, due to the general [consensus] over the prohibition of this."

"Question 17: What is al-'azl?

"Al-'azl is refraining from ejaculating on a woman's pudendum [i.e. coitus interruptus]."

"Question 18: May a man use the al-'azl [technique] with his female slave?

"A man is allowed [to use] al-'azl during intercourse with his female slave with or without her consent."

"Question 19: Is it permissible to beat a female slave?

"It is permissible to beat the female slave as a [form of] darb ta'deeb [disciplinary beating], [but] it is forbidden to [use] darb al-takseer [literally, breaking beating], [darb] al-tashaffi [beating for the purpose of achieving gratification], or [darb] al-ta'dheeb [torture beating]. Further, it is forbidden to hit the face."

Question 20: What is the ruling regarding a female slave who runs away from her master?

"A male or female slave's running away [from their master] is among the gravest of sins…"

"Question 21: What is the earthly punishment of a female slave who runs away from her master?

"She [i.e. the female slave who runs away from her master] has no punishment according to the shari'a of Allah; however, she is [to be] reprimanded [in such a way that] deters others like her from escaping."

"Question 22: Is it permissible to marry a Muslim [slave] or a kitabiyya [i.e. Jewish or Christian] female slave?

"It is impermissible for a free [man] to marry Muslim or kitabiyat female slaves, except for those [men] who feared to [commit] a sin, that is, the sin of fornication…"

"Question 24: If a man marries a female slave who is owned by someone else, who is allowed to have intercourse with her?

"A master is prohibited from having intercourse with his female slave who is married to someone else; instead, the master receives her service, [while] the husband [gets to] enjoy her [sexually]."

"Question 25: Are the huddoud [Koranic punishments] applied to female slaves?

"If a female slave committed what necessitated the enforcement of a hadd [on her], a hadd [is then] enforced on her – however, the hadd is reduced by half within the hudud that accepts reduction by half…"

"Question 27: What is the reward for freeing a slave girl?

"Allah the exalted said [in the Koran]: 'And what can make you know what is [breaking through] the difficult pass [hell]? It is the freeing of a slave.' And [the prophet Muhammad] said: 'Whoever frees a believer Allah frees every organ of his body from hellfire.'"


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Wow. Europe is just a century or two away from that. And then we'll be next.

Man, I'm glad I was born in 1962 and not 2162.
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(12-13-2014 08:43 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Wow. Europe is just a century or two away from that. And then we'll be next.

Man, I'm glad I was born in 1962 and not 2162.

You think the people of Europe will let it get that bad before lashing back?

Europeans can be surprisingly touchy about religious freedom. Switzerland banned minarets and France banned the burka, why would they let Islam devolve into something barbaric?
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(12-13-2014 08:51 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 08:43 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Wow. Europe is just a century or two away from that. And then we'll be next.

Man, I'm glad I was born in 1962 and not 2162.

You think the people of Europe will let it get that bad before lashing back?

Europeans can be surprisingly touchy about religious freedom. Switzerland banned minarets and France banned the burka, why would they let Islam devolve into something barbaric?

Have you not read about the rape epidemic in places like Norway and Sweden? Being committed by 'immigrants.' Thy won't identify them by name because there are people in those countries that are as big of ******* as our own media and are just as if not more politically correct. It already is barbaric. There are 'no go' areas in France and Britain, where even the police won't go. You have a lot more faith than is warranted that there will be push back. The groups pushing back politically now in Europe are already being demonized by media and the politically correct. Called haters. Now, where have we heard that kind of nonsense before? Oh, yeah. Our own lefties, who rarely miss an opportunity to align with the wrong side.
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(12-13-2014 08:51 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 08:43 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Wow. Europe is just a century or two away from that. And then we'll be next.

Man, I'm glad I was born in 1962 and not 2162.

You think the people of Europe will let it get that bad before lashing back?

Europeans can be surprisingly touchy about religious freedom. Switzerland banned minarets and France banned the burka, why would they let Islam devolve into something barbaric?

The West has no backbone. We're all squishy secularists. In a culture war with crazy religious zealots, we'll get our a$$e$ kicked.
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(12-13-2014 09:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 08:51 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 08:43 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Wow. Europe is just a century or two away from that. And then we'll be next.

Man, I'm glad I was born in 1962 and not 2162.

You think the people of Europe will let it get that bad before lashing back?

Europeans can be surprisingly touchy about religious freedom. Switzerland banned minarets and France banned the burka, why would they let Islam devolve into something barbaric?

The West has no backbone. We're all squishy secularists. In a culture war with crazy religious zealots, we'll get our a$$e$ kicked.

Bullsh!t, do you see how angry secularist get at simple things like Christmas displays and holiday greetings?

If something that small sets them off, how do you think they'll react to something much worse?
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(12-13-2014 09:57 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 09:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 08:51 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 08:43 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Wow. Europe is just a century or two away from that. And then we'll be next.

Man, I'm glad I was born in 1962 and not 2162.

You think the people of Europe will let it get that bad before lashing back?

Europeans can be surprisingly touchy about religious freedom. Switzerland banned minarets and France banned the burka, why would they let Islam devolve into something barbaric?

The West has no backbone. We're all squishy secularists. In a culture war with crazy religious zealots, we'll get our a$$e$ kicked.

Bullsh!t, do you see how angry secularist get at simple things like Christmas displays and holiday greetings?

If something that small sets them off, how do you think they'll react to something much worse?

A vast majority of libs (I won't say secularists, although there is a huge overlap), believe Christianity is a greater threat and more evil than ISIS. And multiculturalists are preoccupied with a potential right-wing, Christian "theocracy", but almost always overlook the most disgusting Islamic crimes.
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(12-13-2014 11:08 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 09:57 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 09:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 08:51 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 08:43 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Wow. Europe is just a century or two away from that. And then we'll be next.

Man, I'm glad I was born in 1962 and not 2162.

You think the people of Europe will let it get that bad before lashing back?

Europeans can be surprisingly touchy about religious freedom. Switzerland banned minarets and France banned the burka, why would they let Islam devolve into something barbaric?

The West has no backbone. We're all squishy secularists. In a culture war with crazy religious zealots, we'll get our a$$e$ kicked.

Bullsh!t, do you see how angry secularist get at simple things like Christmas displays and holiday greetings?

If something that small sets them off, how do you think they'll react to something much worse?

A vast majority of libs (I won't say secularists, although there is a huge overlap), believe Christianity is a greater threat and more evil than ISIS. And multiculturalists are preoccupied with a potential right-wing, Christian "theocracy", but almost always overlook the most disgusting Islamic crimes.

LOL. It continues to blow my mind how much conservative christians exaggerate their self perceived stigmatization ==> then actually believe it.
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RE: ISIS tries to justify slavery, sex with girls.
We all know that many in the Middle East hate the west. While I'm sure there are many reasons including the obvious religious angle and their feeling that we meddle in their affairs, I also have this feeling that the societal differences in the way women are viewed and treated isn't a big factor as well.

Does it really surprise anyone how these people would treat slaves considering their treatment of wives and daughters? I mean, women in that part of the world are viewed as near chattel, why wouldn't we expect them to treat prisoners worse.

I'm sure the the teaching of Islam play a factor, but this, along with some other things, shows that that part of the work remains stuck in a period of time about 600 years ago. My guess is that they may never give up their societal domination of women.
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(12-13-2014 11:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 11:08 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 09:57 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 09:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 08:51 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  You think the people of Europe will let it get that bad before lashing back?

Europeans can be surprisingly touchy about religious freedom. Switzerland banned minarets and France banned the burka, why would they let Islam devolve into something barbaric?

The West has no backbone. We're all squishy secularists. In a culture war with crazy religious zealots, we'll get our a$$e$ kicked.

Bullsh!t, do you see how angry secularist get at simple things like Christmas displays and holiday greetings?

If something that small sets them off, how do you think they'll react to something much worse?

A vast majority of libs (I won't say secularists, although there is a huge overlap), believe Christianity is a greater threat and more evil than ISIS. And multiculturalists are preoccupied with a potential right-wing, Christian "theocracy", but almost always overlook the most disgusting Islamic crimes.

LOL. It continues to blow my mind how much conservative christians exaggerate their self perceived stigmatization ==> then actually believe it.

Libs hate Christianity more than radical Islam. I don't know why. Maybe because it's just because Christians are here and Muslims are "over there". Or maybe libs perceive Muslims as a persecuted minority in a global context.
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(12-14-2014 08:27 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 11:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 11:08 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 09:57 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 09:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The West has no backbone. We're all squishy secularists. In a culture war with crazy religious zealots, we'll get our a$$e$ kicked.

Bullsh!t, do you see how angry secularist get at simple things like Christmas displays and holiday greetings?

If something that small sets them off, how do you think they'll react to something much worse?

A vast majority of libs (I won't say secularists, although there is a huge overlap), believe Christianity is a greater threat and more evil than ISIS. And multiculturalists are preoccupied with a potential right-wing, Christian "theocracy", but almost always overlook the most disgusting Islamic crimes.

LOL. It continues to blow my mind how much conservative christians exaggerate their self perceived stigmatization ==> then actually believe it.

Libs hate Christianity more than radical Islam. I don't know why. Maybe because it's just because Christians are here and Muslims are "over there". Or maybe libs perceive Muslims as a persecuted minority in a global context.

Christian positions on abortion and gay marriage have a lot to do with it. As you point out, those strike very close to home.
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(12-14-2014 08:58 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
(12-14-2014 08:27 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 11:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 11:08 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 09:57 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  Bullsh!t, do you see how angry secularist get at simple things like Christmas displays and holiday greetings?

If something that small sets them off, how do you think they'll react to something much worse?

A vast majority of libs (I won't say secularists, although there is a huge overlap), believe Christianity is a greater threat and more evil than ISIS. And multiculturalists are preoccupied with a potential right-wing, Christian "theocracy", but almost always overlook the most disgusting Islamic crimes.

LOL. It continues to blow my mind how much conservative christians exaggerate their self perceived stigmatization ==> then actually believe it.

Libs hate Christianity more than radical Islam. I don't know why. Maybe because it's just because Christians are here and Muslims are "over there". Or maybe libs perceive Muslims as a persecuted minority in a global context.

Christian positions on abortion and gay marriage have a lot to do with it. As you point out, those strike very close to home.

If radical Islam expands, abortion and gay marriage will no longer be problems. There won't be any gay marriage because there won't be any gays. Libs have more to fear from Islam than Christianity.
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(12-14-2014 09:07 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-14-2014 08:58 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
(12-14-2014 08:27 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 11:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 11:08 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  A vast majority of libs (I won't say secularists, although there is a huge overlap), believe Christianity is a greater threat and more evil than ISIS. And multiculturalists are preoccupied with a potential right-wing, Christian "theocracy", but almost always overlook the most disgusting Islamic crimes.

LOL. It continues to blow my mind how much conservative christians exaggerate their self perceived stigmatization ==> then actually believe it.

Libs hate Christianity more than radical Islam. I don't know why. Maybe because it's just because Christians are here and Muslims are "over there". Or maybe libs perceive Muslims as a persecuted minority in a global context.

Christian positions on abortion and gay marriage have a lot to do with it. As you point out, those strike very close to home.

If radical Islam expands, abortion and gay marriage will no longer be problems. There won't be any gay marriage because there won't be any gays. Libs have more to fear from Islam than Christianity.

That's true and it doesn't seem to make sense.

I've given this apparent paradox a bit of thought and this is how I think the fractured logic of the liberals works.

Within the multicultural paradigm, liberals tend to not apply a value scale to different cultures. Doing so could be considered judgmental and could be used by conservatives to imply that American culture carries an exceptional status and somehow Muslim culture is deficient. So the left ignores those specifics where there is an explicit evilness within the Muslim world. (This is somewhat reminiscent of the 30s, 40s and 50s fellow travelers, who supported communism and ignored the fact that "Uncle Joe" killed 60 million of his own people.)

Now Christianity exists within the Western culture and the standards for how Western societies should operate is subject to their definitions. Since some Christian, and conservative, tenets are at odds with their core doctrines, they believe that they have the right to judge. In their minds, it is not liberalism that is being judgmental but rather liberalism owns the culture and its attendant values.
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(12-14-2014 08:27 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 11:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 11:08 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 09:57 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 09:55 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The West has no backbone. We're all squishy secularists. In a culture war with crazy religious zealots, we'll get our a$$e$ kicked.

Bullsh!t, do you see how angry secularist get at simple things like Christmas displays and holiday greetings?

If something that small sets them off, how do you think they'll react to something much worse?

A vast majority of libs (I won't say secularists, although there is a huge overlap), believe Christianity is a greater threat and more evil than ISIS. And multiculturalists are preoccupied with a potential right-wing, Christian "theocracy", but almost always overlook the most disgusting Islamic crimes.

LOL. It continues to blow my mind how much conservative christians exaggerate their self perceived stigmatization ==> then actually believe it.

Libs hate Christianity more than radical Islam. I don't know why. Maybe because it's just because Christians are here and Muslims are "over there". Or maybe libs perceive Muslims as a persecuted minority in a global context.

Probably the '60's Hippie look with the Long Hair, Beards, robes, vests and cool looking hats. The outlaw and pirate look with the AK47's, and swords. The drug growing culture and not working, have a lot if interest for the liberals that dream of that '60's lifestyle era and counter culture look vs. a Christian conservative look of dressing and grooming nice and working to keep the family safe and healthy and owning Home, cars and going to Church.
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(12-14-2014 10:21 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
(12-14-2014 09:07 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-14-2014 08:58 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
(12-14-2014 08:27 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-13-2014 11:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  LOL. It continues to blow my mind how much conservative christians exaggerate their self perceived stigmatization ==> then actually believe it.

Libs hate Christianity more than radical Islam. I don't know why. Maybe because it's just because Christians are here and Muslims are "over there". Or maybe libs perceive Muslims as a persecuted minority in a global context.

Christian positions on abortion and gay marriage have a lot to do with it. As you point out, those strike very close to home.

If radical Islam expands, abortion and gay marriage will no longer be problems. There won't be any gay marriage because there won't be any gays. Libs have more to fear from Islam than Christianity.

That's true and it doesn't seem to make sense.

I've given this apparent paradox a bit of thought and this is how I think the fractured logic of the liberals works.

Within the multicultural paradigm, liberals tend to not apply a value scale to different cultures. Doing so could be considered judgmental and could be used by conservatives to imply that American culture carries an exceptional status and somehow Muslim culture is deficient. So the left ignores those specifics where there is an explicit evilness within the Muslim world. (This is somewhat reminiscent of the 30s, 40s and 50s fellow travelers, who supported communism and ignored the fact that "Uncle Joe" killed 60 million of his own people.)

Now Christianity exists within the Western culture and the standards for how Western societies should operate is subject to their definitions. Since some Christian, and conservative, tenets are at odds with their core doctrines, they believe that they have the right to judge. In their minds, it is not liberalism that is being judgmental but rather liberalism owns the culture and its attendant values.

Libs are tolerant of every head-hunting and child-raping culture on Earth. But they're not tolerant of white Christians in the U.S.
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You guys really went off the deep end with this one.
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RE: ISIS tries to justify slavery, sex with girls.
(12-14-2014 05:31 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  You guys really went off the deep end with this one.

glad someone said this because I was about to go nuts reading the ridiculousness in this thread and seeing so many in agreement with it.
12-14-2014 05:45 PM
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RE: ISIS tries to justify slavery, sex with girls.
Eyes and the still don't see...
12-14-2014 05:52 PM
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RE: ISIS tries to justify slavery, sex with girls.
This could've been a good thread, but it got filled with nonsense. I think UCONN-SMU wants to protect mighty ISIS by stating such nonsense and taking the eyes from the conversation.
12-14-2014 09:07 PM
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