A highly respected (and widely touted for his accuracy) insider at the University of Cincinnatti revealed that Oklahoma State is pushing a "visionary" and "culturally altering" expansion plan.

Interestingly, before expansion talks blew up with the Nashville ESPN host stating he was told that Cincy and Memphis were going to the Big 12 AND the resulting explosion in expansion rhetoric following the Big 12 being shut out of the playoffs, T. Boone Pickens was vocsl about expansion in early November.

According to the Cincy insider, the divide in the Big 12 is vast, potentially toxic, but equally it also could be potentially transformational. I guess we will see a battle of Titans.

Yeah but what does Texas want?

(12-11-2014 01:22 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Yeah but what does Texas want?

Yup. Ultimately the Longhorns have to be convinced that they want expansion. Not that the conference needs to expand but that Texas wants the conference to expand.

Texas has a new AD and new Football head coach, no idea what their BOT thinks in general.

(12-11-2014 01:20 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  A highly respected (and widely touted for his accuracy) insider at the University of Cincinnatti revealed that Oklahoma State is pushing a "visionary" and "culturally altering" expansion plan.

Interestingly, before expansion talks blew up with the Nashville ESPN host stating he was told that Cincy and Memphis were going to the Big 12 AND the resulting explosion in expansion rhetoric following the Big 12 being shut out of the playoffs, T. Boone Pickens was vocsl about expansion in early November.

According to the Cincy insider, the divide in the Big 12 is vast, potentially toxic, but equally it also could be potentially transformational. I guess we will see a battle of Titans.

any links?

I do agree the league needs a long term plan, but sometimes not acting is part of being visionary.

(12-11-2014 01:31 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I do agree the league needs a long term plan, but sometimes not acting is part of being visionary.

Agreed. I'm not saying they are better off forever at 10, but divisions are going to be messy to say the least, the jury is still out on if a CCG helps or hurts more for the CFP, and the front-runners aren't as clear as they might be if you give them a few extra years.

All that added together to me means that it is better off standing pat for awhile and give things a few years to stabilize. After that, look it over again.

(12-11-2014 01:35 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:31 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I do agree the league needs a long term plan, but sometimes not acting is part of being visionary.

Agreed. I'm not saying they are better off forever at 10, but divisions are going to be messy to say the least, the jury is still out on if a CCG helps or hurts more for the CFP, and the front-runners aren't as clear as they might be if you give them a few extra years.

All that added together to me means that it is better off standing pat for awhile and give things a few years to stabilize. After that, look it over again.

The ratings for the CCGs are really really strong, they dwarfed the Big 12 games last Saturday. They Cincy/Houston game almost drew as many viewers as the Big 12 games.

(12-11-2014 01:31 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:20 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  A highly respected (and widely touted for his accuracy) insider at the University of Cincinnatti revealed that Oklahoma State is pushing a "visionary" and "culturally altering" expansion plan.

Interestingly, before expansion talks blew up with the Nashville ESPN host stating he was told that Cincy and Memphis were going to the Big 12 AND the resulting explosion in expansion rhetoric following the Big 12 being shut out of the playoffs, T. Boone Pickens was vocsl about expansion in early November.

According to the Cincy insider, the divide in the Big 12 is vast, potentially toxic, but equally it also could be potentially transformational. I guess we will see a battle of Titans.

any links?

Go to BCJ

The NFL plays with divisions of four. I do not see the big deal with five in CFB, really.

T. Boone is smart enough to see the bigger picture. With only 10 votes, the Big-12 has the least amount of power and influence of the P5 (15%) to drive agenda.

http://www.tcu360.com/campus/2014/12/333...ying-field

"Conference representatives would make up the rest of the 80 total votes: 15 representatives from the ACC, 14 from the Big 10, 14 from the SEC, 12 from the Pac-12 and 10 from the Big 12. This structure is not finalized."

(12-11-2014 01:38 PM)bctn8n Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:31 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:20 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  A highly respected (and widely touted for his accuracy) insider at the University of Cincinnatti revealed that Oklahoma State is pushing a "visionary" and "culturally altering" expansion plan.

Interestingly, before expansion talks blew up with the Nashville ESPN host stating he was told that Cincy and Memphis were going to the Big 12 AND the resulting explosion in expansion rhetoric following the Big 12 being shut out of the playoffs, T. Boone Pickens was vocsl about expansion in early November.

According to the Cincy insider, the divide in the Big 12 is vast, potentially toxic, but equally it also could be potentially transformational. I guess we will see a battle of Titans.

any links?

Go to BCJ

Roger

(12-11-2014 01:35 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:31 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I do agree the league needs a long term plan, but sometimes not acting is part of being visionary.

Agreed. I'm not saying they are better off forever at 10, but divisions are going to be messy to say the least, the jury is still out on if a CCG helps or hurts more for the CFP, and the front-runners aren't as clear as they might be if you give them a few extra years.

All that added together to me means that it is better off standing pat for awhile and give things a few years to stabilize. After that, look it over again.

I don't think anything is changing anytime soon but if the B12 does expand, look for them to form divisions as such: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and WVU would be by themselves in one division with 2 or three additions. Cinci, UCF and UConn are at the top of the list if I were to guess.

(12-11-2014 01:35 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:31 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I do agree the league needs a long term plan, but sometimes not acting is part of being visionary.

Agreed. I'm not saying they are better off forever at 10, but divisions are going to be messy to say the least, the jury is still out on if a CCG helps or hurts more for the CFP, and the front-runners aren't as clear as they might be if you give them a few extra years.

All that added together to me means that it is better off standing pat for awhile and give things a few years to stabilize. After that, look it over again.

The risk of doing nothing is that the top candidates get snatched up by other conferences. Maybe it happens -maybe it doesn't, but the Big12 got caught napping on Louisville and can't afford for something like that to happen again.

Is it really "visionary" to say "OK, I know you coaches and ADs like co-champs because that makes it easier to get the bonuses your schools offer but it's hurting the conference so we need to ditch it and add H2H and other tie breakers so we really do only have one champ each season!"

Just seems more like a common sense "no ****" plan to me.

(12-11-2014 01:39 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  T. Boone is smart enough to see the bigger picture. With only 10 votes, the Big-12 has the least amount of power and influence of the P5 (15%) to drive agenda.

http://www.tcu360.com/campus/2014/12/333...ying-field

"Conference representatives would make up the rest of the 80 total votes: 15 representatives from the ACC, 14 from the Big 10, 14 from the SEC, 12 from the Pac-12 and 10 from the Big 12. This structure is not finalized."

If that structure is approved, it's actually 16.25% if you include the student athletes.
Pac-12 18.75
Big 10- 21.25
SEC- 21.25
ACC- 22.5

There may be a vote or two that the slight decrease in representation matters, but basically no conference will be able to get anything through without support from other conferences.

(12-11-2014 01:20 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  A highly respected (and widely touted for his accuracy) insider at the University of Cincinnatti revealed that Oklahoma State is pushing a "visionary" and "culturally altering" expansion plan.

Interestingly, before expansion talks blew up with the Nashville ESPN host stating he was told that Cincy and Memphis were going to the Big 12 AND the resulting explosion in expansion rhetoric following the Big 12 being shut out of the playoffs, T. Boone Pickens was vocsl about expansion in early November.

According to the Cincy insider, the divide in the Big 12 is vast, potentially toxic, but equally it also could be potentially transformational. I guess we will see a battle of Titans.

Who is this "highly respected insider" of whom you speak? And is he an insider at Cincinnati, or an insider in the Big 12? Or just some anonymous schlub at your local sports bar? I like your use of the word "revealed" in the OP. It adds a nice touch of pseudo-credibility. So does dropping the name of T. Boone Pickens.

I don't know of any "widely respected insider" reporting this either. If he is talking about the Bearcat Journal message board poster, that guy has yet to have anything he has said come true. Granted, he comes across as very well connected, but until something actually comes true I take it with a grain of salt.

What exactly does this "visionary" alleged plan entail? If its the one I've heard some talk about, it's not really all that "visionary".

(12-11-2014 02:14 PM)mlb Wrote:  I don't know of any "widely respected insider" reporting this either. If he is talking about the Bearcat Journal message board poster, that guy has yet to have anything he has said come true. Granted, he comes across as very well connected, but until something actually comes true I take it with a grain of salt.

He's actually not even a "Cincinnati Insider". IIRC he allegedly works in the front office of another conference.