Paging Cincinnati, BYU, Memphis, Colorado State Tulane, SMU , Boise State...etc:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2014/...4-million/

Smu..... Tulane...... Lol wow

Those schools could end up costing the Big 12 more by taking them than by what they would make the Big 12.

I know we want to say that this year's finish is how it would all go but if any one of the final four teams lost their CCG, then Baylor would have been in.

(12-08-2014 07:38 PM)BLEEDBLUE81 Wrote:  Smu..... Tulane...... Lol wow

Private Schools with boatloads of Money and Strong Academics..Tulane is a member of the AAU...

The Big12 needs value and performance out of any potential expansion team, not academic puffery.

Cincy and BYU fit that bill more or less, nobody else does.

(12-08-2014 07:38 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Those schools could end up costing the Big 12 more by taking them than by what they would make the Big 12.

I know we want to say that this year's finish is how it would all go but if any one of the final four teams lost their CCG, then Baylor would have been in.

I understand but the issue now is it apparent they have a razor thin margin of error...a 12 win SEC, B1G, Pac 12 & ACC trumps a 11 win Big XII school.

Can't help but wonder if a lawsuit is in order here.

(12-08-2014 07:36 PM)Maize Wrote:  Paging Cincinnati, BYU, Memphis, Colorado State Tulane, SMU , Boise State...etc:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2014/...4-million/

Link didn't work. I only calculate $2-4 million. Playoff bowls are worth 6 and the others worth $4.

Isn't that kind of a "meh" article?

Same article if GT or Wisconsin win?

(12-08-2014 08:03 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Can't help but wonder if a lawsuit is in order here.

On what grounds?

(12-08-2014 08:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 07:36 PM)Maize Wrote:  Paging Cincinnati, BYU, Memphis, Colorado State Tulane, SMU , Boise State...etc:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2014/...4-million/

Link didn't work. I only calculate $2-4 million. Playoff bowls are worth 6 and the others worth $4.

That's what I was thinking.

(12-08-2014 07:43 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Big12 needs value and performance out of any potential expansion team, not academic puffery.

Cincy and BYU fit that bill more or less, nobody else does.

Word, and besides the 14 Million they lost throw in 30 plus million for a CCG. That is 44 Million. Cincy/Memphis or Byu whatever.

(12-08-2014 07:44 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 07:38 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Those schools could end up costing the Big 12 more by taking them than by what they would make the Big 12.

I know we want to say that this year's finish is how it would all go but if any one of the final four teams lost their CCG, then Baylor would have been in.

I understand but the issue now is it apparent they have a razor thin margin of error...a 12 win SEC, B1G, Pac 12 & ACC trumps a 11 win Big XII school.

I know you know what I am getting at Maize. I realize that everything you are saying is correct but not every season will play out like this one did.

I also agree that the way this season played out will have a very strong affect in shaping the minds of the people that make these decisions because what happened this year was the scenario where everything plays out as it should. That doesn't happen always but it is generally the scenario that you use as your baseline scenario. That speaks very badly for The Big 12.

I agree with all that.

You know what I am getting at though. When they go through the process of delving deeply into all these choices, they could very possibly find out that the actual numbers don't add up because it is true that not every season ends up this way. What if Baylor was Texas or Oklahoma instead? What if one of the top four teams had lost their conference championship instead? The way things went this year is not how it would happen every year and yet the way it went this year will absolutely have a major affect on how the Big 12 goes forward.

They either expand or they dissolve. That is what I am saying. What I am simply trying to guide people to face the fact that both are among the realm of possibility. For a school like Texas, are they going to be happy with bringing in any of these schools? Or are they going to like other possibilities that go along with that "other path" that no one else here is willing to consider?

I am sorry but just because the G5 mob here is all in a buzz about the potential for them, of which I completely understand why they are excited, that doesn't mean there isn't an equal and opposite possibility that the Big 12 may find that the problem isn't solved by their expansion possibilities.

No one is touching upon the very real problem of Big 12 divisions. It is a huge problem for The Big 12.

Also, the 14 million dollar supposed loss isn't going to happen every year. It could of course but the odds do not favor this scenario happening every year. So if there is an upfront cost to bringing in two of these schools, will it be mitigated by what is gained through the Playoff? That is a question that doesn't have an answer and so to the folks that run these Universities and Athletic Departments, that is a very disturbing question that they will no doubt have to face.

Take it as you will but the conversation is not Just about expansion. It is also about dissolution.

(12-08-2014 07:43 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Big12 needs value and performance out of any potential expansion team, not academic puffery.

Cincy and BYU fit that bill more or less, nobody else does.

If academic puffery doesn't matter then why is Cincy so high and mighty? UCF has done more and is in a better recruiting State. ECU has done more and together with UCF would put The Big 12 all along the part of the East Coast that actually matters in College Football. That is something that BYU and Cincy do not help with.

(12-08-2014 08:27 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 07:43 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Big12 needs value and performance out of any potential expansion team, not academic puffery.

Cincy and BYU fit that bill more or less, nobody else does.

Word, and besides the 14 Million they lost throw in 30 plus million for a CCG. That is 44 Million. Cincy/Memphis or Byu whatever.

Yes, as the Forbes article notes, OSU will be getting $18m for the Big Ten from the Sugar Bowl, while TCU will be getting $4m and Baylor just shy of $4m for the Big12.

But you have to capitalize that ... its not clear how many years "not having a CCG" will cost the Big12 a spot. A #1/#2 seed would go anyway, after all, and if all five conferences have CCGs, then 20% of the CCG winners will be left out anyway. If not having a CCG costs the Big12 three appearances over the 12 years, that's more like $3.5m/year.

And how conferences distribute that drives how much it means for each school voting ... Kansas, for example, only has reason to vote based on the addition to the per school distribution from that, and it might not add up to very much in the bigger picture.

(12-08-2014 09:01 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 08:27 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 07:43 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The Big12 needs value and performance out of any potential expansion team, not academic puffery.

Cincy and BYU fit that bill more or less, nobody else does.

Word, and besides the 14 Million they lost throw in 30 plus million for a CCG. That is 44 Million. Cincy/Memphis or Byu whatever.

Yes, as the Forbes article notes, OSU will be getting $18m for the Big Ten from the Sugar Bowl, while TCU will be getting $4m and Baylor just shy of $4m for the Big12.

But you have to capitalize that ... its not clear how many years "not having a CCG" will cost the Big12 a spot. A #1/#2 seed would go anyway, after all, and if all five conferences have CCGs, then 20% of the CCG winners will be left out anyway. If not having a CCG costs the Big12 three appearances over the 12 years, that's more like $3.5m/year.

And how conferences distribute that drives how much it means for each school voting ... Kansas, for example, only has reason to vote based on the addition to the per school distribution from that, and it might not add up to very much in the bigger picture.

The guy writing the Forbes article doesn't know what he is talking about. There was an article posted on here a week or so ago with the correct allocation. Its $2-$4 million depending on whether 1 or 2 got into the playoffs. There is no extra $22 million for getting in the championship game.

Try it now..the link:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2014/...4-million/

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2014/...r-2014-15/

Here’s a breakdown:

Base Amount
•Power Five (ACC, Big XII, Big Ten, SEC and Pac-12): each conference will receive approximately $50 million, which includes $300,000 for each school’s football team meeting the NCAA’s APR minimum for participation in a bowl game.
•Group of Five (American, C-USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt): these five conferences will receive $75 million total, including $300,000 for each school’s football team meeting the NCAA’s APR minimum for participation in a bowl game). The conferences have decided among themselves how to divide this money, which is reportedly $60 million split evenly and the remaining $15 million divided based on how the conferences rank against one another based on team performance. (Note: Some other numbers in the linked article don’t match the CFP website.)
•Notre Dame will receive $2.3 million, which is predicated on meeting the APR minimum.
•Army, Navy and BYU will split a total of $922,658.

Additional Amounts for Participation
•Each of the four teams selected for a semifinal game will earn $6 million for its conference. There is no additional payout for playing in the championship game (which was also the case under the BCS).
•Each team selected to play in a “host” bowl will earn $4 million for its conference. In 2014-15, those bowls are the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach Bowls.
•An expense payment of $2 million will be provided for each team for each game (semifinal, national championship, Cotton, Fiesta and Peach Bowl), paid to the conference.

Similar to the BCS arrangement, certain FCS conferences will receive $2.25 million to split.

my numbers:
ACC- FSU/Ga Tech 33.5 mil
B10- OSU/MSU 10 mil
B12- TCU/Bay 8 mil
P12- Ore/Ariz 8 mil
SEC- Ala/MSU/Miss 37.5 mil

TCU/Baylor cost them 2 million I think.

(12-08-2014 09:49 PM)stever20 Wrote:  my numbers:
ACC- FSU/Ga Tech 33.5 mil
B10- OSU/MSU 10 mil
B12- TCU/Bay/KSU 12 mil
P12- Ore/Ariz 8 mil
SEC- Ala/MSU/Miss 37.5 mil

TCU/Baylor cost them 2 million I think.

If you click on the "update" at the top of my link, it calculates the payout by conference.