I have a hard time seeing how it WON'T be Cincinnati + 1, likely Memphis. I really do. The BigXII is dumb, but I don't see 'em doubling down on the issues of WVU being on an island. When they expand, it will be to the East and not West and Memphis and Cincinnati are the best OVERALL packages. Yes, there may be some that are better currently in football. Yes, there may be other schools that are in bigger media markets. However, the best two overall packages are Cincinnati and Memphis. Solid football, Willingness to invest, Solid markets, Solid new recruiting grounds, instant (major!) boost to basketball as well.

In my ideal world, I'd love to see Houston in the PAC-12.

(12-08-2014 02:34 PM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  WVU was lucky to get in the Big 12, Marshall doesn't stand a chance.

To be honest, I dont think Boise has a chance. I say that because I dont think the Big 12 will continue leaving WVU out there on a limb like they have. My guess is they add Cincinnati and Memphis.

I do think BYU Colorado St is plausible

Think Colorado Sts distance in relation to the B12 as Iowa St.

Think BYUs distance to the B12 as WVUs.

Add both and you make a large crucifix in the middle of the country. If I am BYU I'd give up Sundays for that

(12-08-2014 02:53 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I have a hard time seeing how it WON'T be Cincinnati + 1, likely Memphis. I really do. The BigXII is dumb, but I don't see 'em doubling down on the issues of WVU being on an island. When they expand, it will be to the East and not West and Memphis and Cincinnati are the best OVERALL packages. Yes, there may be some that are better currently in football. Yes, there may be other schools that are in bigger media markets. However, the best two overall packages are Cincinnati and Memphis. Solid football, Willingness to invest, Solid markets, Solid new recruiting grounds, instant (major!) boost to basketball as well.

In my ideal world, I'd love to see Houston in the PAC-12.

I think where I would clarify this- I think if they only go to 12, it will be to the east. If they went 14, then could see both east and west.

(12-08-2014 02:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:30 PM)buffdog Wrote:  Yep just like the Cincy pimping that keeps happening.

Just remember when the B10 last expanded Rutgers/Maryland wasn't mentioned either. If I remember right it was always NC/GT/FSU/etc. in the media and then boom Rutgers/Maryland. So like I said don't be surprised but if I eat crow, I eat crow...

1. Everybody is pimping their schools here, even though nobody has the true ability to make a difference to the Big 12.

2. Anybody who was paying attention knew that Rutgers was talking to the Big 10. It had been talked about for at least 2 years before hand.

3. They want to get more eastern TV exposure. Going to the pacific time zone will not do that.

I saw that ESPN mentioned CSU and BSU today, I think they are insane but who knows. ESPN has been directly involved with the ruination of college football, they might as well finish it off.

LOL, I guess that's what the spin will be if we get the nod - we didn't earn it, it's just ESPN ruining college football.

(12-08-2014 03:03 PM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:30 PM)buffdog Wrote:  Yep just like the Cincy pimping that keeps happening.

Just remember when the B10 last expanded Rutgers/Maryland wasn't mentioned either. If I remember right it was always NC/GT/FSU/etc. in the media and then boom Rutgers/Maryland. So like I said don't be surprised but if I eat crow, I eat crow...

1. Everybody is pimping their schools here, even though nobody has the true ability to make a difference to the Big 12.

2. Anybody who was paying attention knew that Rutgers was talking to the Big 10. It had been talked about for at least 2 years before hand.

3. They want to get more eastern TV exposure. Going to the pacific time zone will not do that.

I saw that ESPN mentioned CSU and BSU today, I think they are insane but who knows. ESPN has been directly involved with the ruination of college football, they might as well finish it off.

LOL, I guess that's what the spin will be if we get the nod - we didn't earn it, it's just ESPN ruining college football.

Not at all. Actually, Boise State has earned a spot at the *FOOTBALL* big boy table. That being said, you've done nothing else to improve your University, which is why you won't be invited, IMO. No investment into basketball nor scholastics. Just 1 single sport on an ugly blue turf.

My point was the destruction of great rivalries like Texas vs Texas A&M, Pitt vs WVU, UC vs UL, Missouri vs Kansas, UConn vs BCU, etc., etc.... that is almost 100% due to ESPN.

(12-08-2014 02:53 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:34 PM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  WVU was lucky to get in the Big 12, Marshall doesn't stand a chance.

To be honest, I dont think Boise has a chance. I say that because I dont think the Big 12 will continue leaving WVU out there on a limb like they have. My guess is they add Cincinnati and Memphis.

Agree with the Marshall fan.

WVU was lucky? WVU is a better school than Boise in every category imaginable so if we were "lucky" then you are going to need a miracle of such magnitude Christ himself would have to come down from the heavens wearing a Boise jersey and become the Big 12 commish for you guys to sniff an invite.

I think the Big12 should add 5 teams and go to 3 divisions. The adds would only receive about $10M each for the next 6 years. That way it would only cost each current member a little under $5M per year for the additions (maybe less). Heck they pay $800,000 for a one and done home game anyway right? ALL games with the adds should be on LHN when playing Texas at Texas. The adds should be:

Cincinnati
Memphis
South Florida
UConn
BYU

Split up the 3 Divisions however you want.

(12-08-2014 03:08 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:53 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:34 PM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  WVU was lucky to get in the Big 12, Marshall doesn't stand a chance.

To be honest, I dont think Boise has a chance. I say that because I dont think the Big 12 will continue leaving WVU out there on a limb like they have. My guess is they add Cincinnati and Memphis.

Agree with the Marshall fan.

WVU was lucky? WVU is a better school than Boise in every category imaginable so if we were "lucky" then you are going to need a miracle of such magnitude Christ himself would have to come down from the heavens wearing a Boise jersey and become the Big 12 commish for you guys to sniff an invite.

Maybe he was referring to Oliver Luck(y)? After all, he was critical to the B12 invite.

Or maybe he just doesn't know what he's talking about. I could go either way on this one.

(12-08-2014 02:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:53 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I have a hard time seeing how it WON'T be Cincinnati + 1, likely Memphis. I really do. The BigXII is dumb, but I don't see 'em doubling down on the issues of WVU being on an island. When they expand, it will be to the East and not West and Memphis and Cincinnati are the best OVERALL packages. Yes, there may be some that are better currently in football. Yes, there may be other schools that are in bigger media markets. However, the best two overall packages are Cincinnati and Memphis. Solid football, Willingness to invest, Solid markets, Solid new recruiting grounds, instant (major!) boost to basketball as well.

In my ideal world, I'd love to see Houston in the PAC-12.

I think where I would clarify this- I think if they only go to 12, it will be to the east. If they went 14, then could see both east and west.

Oh I agree. I don't see them going to 14, but if they were to do so then you'd absolutely see Cincinnati and Memphis and then two westward expansions that would likely include BYU and who knows...Going to 12 however, it'll be East not West and likely Cincinnati and Memphis. It's not that I think the other candidates being mentioned are necessarily BAD choices, it's that those two are the best overall most well rounded packages.

Given the stubbornness of the conference to even want to budge beyond 10 + a general lack of true, quality additions that would suit their snobbish attitudes, I don't see them going to 14...but who knows, once you creak the seal it could be possible and I wouldn't completely rule the idea out.

(12-08-2014 03:13 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:53 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I have a hard time seeing how it WON'T be Cincinnati + 1, likely Memphis. I really do. The BigXII is dumb, but I don't see 'em doubling down on the issues of WVU being on an island. When they expand, it will be to the East and not West and Memphis and Cincinnati are the best OVERALL packages. Yes, there may be some that are better currently in football. Yes, there may be other schools that are in bigger media markets. However, the best two overall packages are Cincinnati and Memphis. Solid football, Willingness to invest, Solid markets, Solid new recruiting grounds, instant (major!) boost to basketball as well.

In my ideal world, I'd love to see Houston in the PAC-12.

I think where I would clarify this- I think if they only go to 12, it will be to the east. If they went 14, then could see both east and west.

Oh I agree. I don't see them going to 14, but if they were to do so then you'd absolutely see Cincinnati and Memphis and then two westward expansions that would likely include BYU and who knows...Going to 12 however, it'll be East not West and likely Cincinnati and Memphis. It's not that I think the other candidates being mentioned are necessarily BAD choices, it's that those two are the best overall most well rounded packages.

Given the stubbornness of the conference to even want to budge beyond 10 + a general lack of true, quality additions that would suit their snobbish attitudes, I don't see them going to 14...but who knows, once you creak the seal it could be possible and I wouldn't completely rule the idea out.

The thing is, I think if they go up to 12 going east- the fact that one prime west candidate is Colorado St- Denver market- gets really interesting.

Marshall has no shot.

There's a slew of potential in the West, but I just genuinely feel they'll expand to the East and not West and stay at 12.

I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm by no means a Cincinnati or Memphis fan. I border on being a Bearcat hater in fact...but taking bias out of the equation, them + Memphis are the two most well rounded eastward candidates.

(12-08-2014 03:20 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  There's a slew of potential in the West, but I just genuinely feel they'll expand to the East and not West and stay at 12.

I think so as well. They've been so hell bent on staying at 10 that I can't imagine them going past 12.

(12-08-2014 03:21 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm by no means a Cincinnati or Memphis fan. I border on being a Bearcat hater in fact...but taking bias out of the equation, them + Memphis are the two most well rounded eastward candidates.

Universities pay attention to academics as well as athletics. Memphis is not on par w/ the rest of the Big 12.

They're a nice fit geographically. They have good bball. They've had decent fball occasionally. Not the most compelling of arguments IMO.

(12-08-2014 03:07 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 03:03 PM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:36 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:30 PM)buffdog Wrote:  Yep just like the Cincy pimping that keeps happening.

Just remember when the B10 last expanded Rutgers/Maryland wasn't mentioned either. If I remember right it was always NC/GT/FSU/etc. in the media and then boom Rutgers/Maryland. So like I said don't be surprised but if I eat crow, I eat crow...

1. Everybody is pimping their schools here, even though nobody has the true ability to make a difference to the Big 12.

2. Anybody who was paying attention knew that Rutgers was talking to the Big 10. It had been talked about for at least 2 years before hand.

3. They want to get more eastern TV exposure. Going to the pacific time zone will not do that.

I saw that ESPN mentioned CSU and BSU today, I think they are insane but who knows. ESPN has been directly involved with the ruination of college football, they might as well finish it off.

LOL, I guess that's what the spin will be if we get the nod - we didn't earn it, it's just ESPN ruining college football.

Not at all. Actually, Boise State has earned a spot at the *FOOTBALL* big boy table. That being said, you've done nothing else to improve your University, which is why you won't be invited, IMO. No investment into basketball nor scholastics. Just 1 single sport on an ugly blue turf.

They are competitive in wrestling too.

Quote:My point was the destruction of great rivalries like Texas vs Texas A&M, Pitt vs WVU, UC vs UL, Missouri vs Kansas, UConn vs BCU, etc., etc.... that is almost 100% due to ESPN.

Is that ESPN's fault? I can think of lots of issues. And honestly, if the Big 8 had been proactive, we'd still have most of this intact.

(12-08-2014 01:47 PM)lance99 Wrote:  Marshall!?!?!?

Not very often that a thread Jumps the Shark on the very first post!:huh:

Are you kidding -- there must be at least a dozen shark-jumping threads just on the first page of this forum.

(12-08-2014 04:10 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Is that ESPN's fault? I can think of lots of issues. And honestly, if the Big 8 had been proactive, we'd still have most of this intact.

Based on quotes from BC's AD and such, yes. They are the ones who came to the ACC pushing them to expand, not vice versa.

(12-08-2014 04:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 04:10 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Is that ESPN's fault? I can think of lots of issues. And honestly, if the Big 8 had been proactive, we'd still have most of this intact.

Based on quotes from BC's AD and such, yes. They are the ones who came to the ACC pushing them to expand, not vice versa.

Didn't that happen after SEC picked up Arkansas (and S Carolina)?