Baylor will be in the same position next year and the next year with their OOC schedule - it seems to me that if they want to compete for a playoff spot they will have to dump one of these chumps and add a name P-5 team:

2015

SMU
Lamar
Rice

2016

Northwestern State
SMU
Rice

2017

Liberty
UTSA
Duke

2018

UTSA
Duke

2019

Incarnate Word
UTSA
Rice

Their OOC scheduling is embarrassing. They should have been left out.

(12-07-2014 02:04 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Their OOC scheduling is embarrassing. They should have been left out.

Who is Incarnate Word?

Their short-term problems are that it's hard to make those changes for 2015 on short notice, and also they'd have to find another team's coach who is willing to put a really good team on next year's schedule. The first instinct of coaches everywhere is to find the easiest path possible, which is probably how Baylor ended up with future schedules like this in the first place.

(12-07-2014 02:09 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:04 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Their OOC scheduling is embarrassing. They should have been left out.

Who is Incarnate Word?

FCS team that's been playing football since.....2007

So damn impressive!

Right and Bama's OOC of WVU, So. Miss, W. Carolina and Fl. Atlantic is so much tougher. Or Miss St that was in the final Four until their second loss with a murderer's row of So. Miss, UAB, So. Alabama, and UT Martin. Those fine OOC schedules weren't keeping those schools out of the Final Four. Baylor and Alabama played the same number of P5 teams in the regular season. Our OOC was not the problem. It was our Conference not naming Baylor the champion and the fact we have no conference championship game.

(12-07-2014 03:13 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  Right and Bama's OOC of WVU, So. Miss, W. Carolina and Fl. Atlantic is so much tougher. Or Miss St that was in the final Four until their second loss with a murderer's row of So. Miss, UAB, So. Alabama, and UT Martin. Those fine OOC schedules weren't keeping those schools out of the Final Four. Baylor and Alabama played the same number of P5 teams in the regular season. Our OOC was not the problem. It was our Conference not naming Baylor the champion and the fact we have no conference championship game.

Actually, it was all three.

1) Weak schedule
2) No CC
3) No CCG

The OOC is somewhat in response to 80’s era grads that love to see old SWC teams on the sched ie Rice, SMU etc. And as one of those grads, frankly playing SMU even with all of there current struggles was something I very much wanted to see. There is history in this matchup with 80 games spread over nearly 100 years of CFB. Same thing with Rice. As for the others, they were loaded in the old mindset of have a couple of soft teams to get bowl eligible. Nothing new there.

As the mindset, when you think you play in a tough conference and being back to back chaps is enough, there is not much incentive to change. After today that may mean future OOC teams will be higher profile or Big 12 may expand.
BL: is someone was not going to be in. This year it was us. But we still did something only one other team in Big 12 history has done and that’s be back to back champs. We get a chance on 1 Jan to play a good team in Mich St. We will see.

Some of the games are scheduled so far in advance though, how do you even know if they will be good when you play them?

(12-07-2014 02:09 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:04 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Their OOC scheduling is embarrassing. They should have been left out.

Who is Incarnate Word?

Jesus Christ! (another name for Him)

Anyways, Incarnate Word is a now FCS school in San Antonio part of the Southland Conference.

So for out of conference schedules, will they get more credit for beating a poor P5 team, say, Purdue, than they would get for beating a better G5 team? The general impression I get is that the answer is yes.

(12-07-2014 03:31 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So for out of conference schedules, will they get more credit for beating a poor P5 team, say, Purdue, than they would get for beating a better G5 team? The general impression I get is that the answer is yes.

Seems so but the fact is Iowa St, the worst team in the Big 12 beat a Big 10 team in Iowa that was 4-4 in Big Ten play. So I don’t really see weak OOC P5 schedules as compelling. Frankly beating Boise St would impress me more than a weak P5 OOC team. Unfortunately we had neither. BL: the conferences around the country fluctuate a lot year to year. This year the Big Ten stunk it up pretty well and is living off of past glories, next year it might be us or some other conference.

The problem is there big XII is not getting credit for playing the ninth conference game, which is comparable to an OOC game vs a P5 school.

(12-07-2014 04:23 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  The problem is there big XII is not getting credit for playing the ninth conference game, which is comparable to an OOC game vs a P5 school.

But then they only play 3 OOC games while ACC, BIG, SEC play 4.

(12-07-2014 02:09 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:04 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Their OOC scheduling is embarrassing. They should have been left out.

Who is Incarnate Word?

FCS team out of the Southland Conference

(12-07-2014 04:23 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  The problem is there big XII is not getting credit for playing the ninth conference game, which is comparable to an OOC game vs a P5 school.

Pac-12 also plays 9 conference games. Oregon played Michigan State and 9 conference games and then a conference championship game.

(12-07-2014 02:02 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Baylor will be in the same position next year and the next year with their OOC schedule - it seems to me that if they want to compete for a playoff spot they will have to dump one of these chumps and add a name P-5 team:

2015

SMU
Lamar
Rice

2016

Northwestern State
SMU
Rice

2017

Liberty
UTSA
Duke

2018

UTSA
Duke

2019

Incarnate Word
UTSA
Rice

Looks like Baylor subscribes to the NC State OOC philosophy. All cupcake all the time.

(12-07-2014 04:32 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:23 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  The problem is there big XII is not getting credit for playing the ninth conference game, which is comparable to an OOC game vs a P5 school.

But then they only play 3 OOC games while ACC, BIG, SEC play 4.

I get that. But comparing schedules... They were assuming they would get credit for that.

(12-07-2014 05:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:23 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  The problem is there big XII is not getting credit for playing the ninth conference game, which is comparable to an OOC game vs a P5 school.

Pac-12 also plays 9 conference games. Oregon played Michigan State and 9 conference games and then a conference championship game.

I'm not disputing that. I am just saying I think they thought they could replace a p5 OOC gsme with the ninth conference game and people would see it as even. And they didn't, for better or worse.

PAC 12 teams tend to schedule home and home anyway, so mostly you don't have an issue with them not scheduling well OOC: at least the contenders.

(12-07-2014 02:04 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Their OOC scheduling is embarrassing. They should have been left out.

Noncon was bad however talks to improve it are coming with other P5 from what I have been told. UB was MAC champs when this was scheduled and SMU was annually going to bowls so it wasn't intended to reach this depth but it happens.

Even then evaluating a resume based on the bottom 3 games is foolish. It's "who did you beat that's good" and not "my weakest opponents would beat your weakest opponents!".

Reasons for BU:

1- Better wins than tOSU. Wisconsin lost to Northwestern and Minnesota was avg at best. TCU > MSU. Oklahoma with healthy Knight and Perine (both were out in OT loss yesterday) and KSU are significantly better than either Minnesota or Wisconsin. Wisconsin's defense struggled against the run coming in according to one ESPN stat I saw despite playing several poorly ranked rush teams. OU would crush those guys with the roster health they had when BU took them on.

2- WV was significantly better than VT. WV played one of the toughest SOS's nationally and faced #1 Bama, #5 Baylor, #6 TCU, #11 KSU, OU prior to Knight going down (top 20 lock), as well as decent Texas, OkSt, and Maryland teams. VT went 6-6 while losing to Wake Forest and playing in the rump division of the weak ACC. Only two ranked-caliber foes with GT and OSU.

What's done is done but this Ohio State team had some serious warts that the Big Ten homers (Alvarez, Osborne, etc) on the committee glossed over because of regional bias and brand bias.