If you take Ga Southern, App St and ODU there appears to be at lest six teams that will be left home. How much money the LA Christmas bowl with the P12 vs at-large P5 and another G5 Bowl created next year?

Why don't we just let every team play an exhibition game after exams? The teams with lousy records need the extra practice time more than the good ones anyway.

(12-05-2014 02:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  If you take Ga Southern, App St and ODU there appears to be at lest six teams that will be left home. How much money the LA Christmas bowl with the P12 vs at-large P5 and another G5 Bowl created next year?

If the Christmas bowl didn't happen from the start it never will. Not unless the MW expands to 14 teams.

Actually a bowl in Texas would be necessary if the Sunbelt still has Texas St and NMSU in the conference. Texas St could start up a bowl in their stadium.

(12-05-2014 02:42 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 02:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  If you take Ga Southern, App St and ODU there appears to be at lest six teams that will be left home. How much money the LA Christmas bowl with the P12 vs at-large P5 and another G5 Bowl created next year?

If the Christmas bowl didn't happen from the start it never will. Not unless the MW expands to 14 teams.

Actually a bowl in Texas would be necessary if the Sunbelt still has Texas St and NMSU in the conference. Texas St could start up a bowl in their stadium.

Where would this Texas Bowl be added? DFW has 3 bowls, Houston has 1, SA has 1, EP has 1.

A winning record should be required for bowl game qualification, especially since FCS wins are counted.

(12-05-2014 02:58 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 02:42 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 02:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  If you take Ga Southern, App St and ODU there appears to be at lest six teams that will be left home. How much money the LA Christmas bowl with the P12 vs at-large P5 and another G5 Bowl created next year?

If the Christmas bowl didn't happen from the start it never will. Not unless the MW expands to 14 teams.

Actually a bowl in Texas would be necessary if the Sunbelt still has Texas St and NMSU in the conference. Texas St could start up a bowl in their stadium.

Where would this Texas Bowl be added? DFW has 3 bowls, Houston has 1, SA has 1, EP has 1.

San Marcos, in Texas State's stadium or put 1 in Las Cruces in NMSU stadium. You could have another bowl in San Antonio and it's been talked about having another bowl in the Alamo Dome.

I'd love to see Atlanta host a bowl game at Ga Tech's stadium.

Bowls are now set up on a 6 year cycle. It will be difficult to get anything new approved at this point.

With UAB out....FBS is down to 128 teams. CUSA will likely hold serve at 14 because of the limited bowl slots of the conference. SBC after losing a school to CUSA will likely hold serve at 10 because they only have 3 bowl games.

Expect major conference and bowl realignment in 2020 when the next cycle begins.

They need to relax the bowl standards to 5 wins. It's ridiculous that some 8 win MAC team gets a bowl but some 5 win SEC team has to sit at home.

(12-05-2014 02:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  If you take Ga Southern, App St and ODU there appears to be at lest six teams that will be left home. How much money the LA Christmas bowl with the P12 vs at-large P5 and another G5 Bowl created next year?

Doubt it. If a P5 eligible team gets stuck at home without a bowl, then maybe. But like last year, most people are not going to be too bent out of shape that eligible SBC, MAC, or even AAC teams are watching the bowls at home.

(12-05-2014 02:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  If you take Ga Southern, App St and ODU there appears to be at lest six teams that will be left home. How much money the LA Christmas bowl with the P12 vs at-large P5 and another G5 Bowl created next year?

Little Rock is in active negotiation with CUSA and MAC, both interested but neither wild about playing vs. Sun Belt (I suppose they are presuming that Arkansas State would camp out there).

Little Rock had a title sponsor lined up last year (Arkansas Rice Federation and Riceland Foods) but the contract fell apart because Little Rock wanted a post-Christmas game and ESPN wouldn't give them an agreeable date there so Sun Belt and MAC signed with ESPN owned Montgomery.

Funding is in place for Little Rock if they can get two conferences and a TV agreement. Cure signed with NBC Sports and Fox has expressed interest in picking up bowl games.

From talking to the folks involved the only way they would do the deal is if they have either Sun Belt or AAC on one side vs either MAC or CUSA. They believe the game has to have the hook of Arkansas State, Memphis, SMU, or Tulsa (he specifically stated those four) as potential host teams to be viable during the early years.

Why not a bowl in Houston's TDwhatever Stadium? There should be enough corporate money in Houston to support a second bowl.

(12-05-2014 04:44 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Why not a bowl in Houston's TDwhatever Stadium? There should be enough corporate money in Houston to support a second bowl.

First, no P5 wants to be the conference not getting an at large bid. Second, as long as there are teams available, they will go. Do you see ODU, APP St, Tx St, Ga Southern etc... not going to a bowl. Finally, bowls were deregulated, so there is nothing stopping a new bowl from being created before the six years. I think Christmas and Little Rock probably wanted to see how many teams were left at this year.

I am not saying I want these extra bowl games, I am just stating what I think will realistically happen. There appears to be enough G5 teams for another G5 bowl and the P5 would be glad to have an extra bowl in case of extra teams. For example, the ACC will likely have extra teams since the Orange is a semi. They will not automatically get another team in if a team is in the top four. Along with that, the Citrus bowl option disappears next year as well. So I would not be surprised if the ACC committed to the Christmas Bowl for next year and 2018. PAC was close to looking for a bowl for Cal. They know the can pull a G5 team if one or two P5 would not be available. I would not be shocked if Fox, NBC or Fox offer to televise these bowls, ESPN would jump in a heartbeat.

(12-05-2014 04:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 02:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  If you take Ga Southern, App St and ODU there appears to be at lest six teams that will be left home. How much money the LA Christmas bowl with the P12 vs at-large P5 and another G5 Bowl created next year?

Little Rock is in active negotiation with CUSA and MAC, both interested but neither wild about playing vs. Sun Belt (I suppose they are presuming that Arkansas State would camp out there).

Little Rock had a title sponsor lined up last year (Arkansas Rice Federation and Riceland Foods) but the contract fell apart because Little Rock wanted a post-Christmas game and ESPN wouldn't give them an agreeable date there so Sun Belt and MAC signed with ESPN owned Montgomery.

Funding is in place for Little Rock if they can get two conferences and a TV agreement. Cure signed with NBC Sports and Fox has expressed interest in picking up bowl games.

From talking to the folks involved the only way they would do the deal is if they have either Sun Belt or AAC on one side vs either MAC or CUSA. They believe the game has to have the hook of Arkansas State, Memphis, SMU, or Tulsa (he specifically stated those four) as potential host teams to be viable during the early years.

The AAC already has between 7-8 slots a year once the Cure comes on line. I don't think the AAC is an option for Little Rock. Frankly, I'm surprised they were able to sponsor the Cure. I thought a conference had to show a history of having a certain number of bowl teams before being a legitimate tie. We are adding a team, but right now we only have 5 bowl teams with a possible 6th in Temple. Last year we had 5. Granted, we won't have a full 12 teams until next year---but we don't appear to be establishing the track record to support 8 bowls.

(12-05-2014 05:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 04:03 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 02:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  If you take Ga Southern, App St and ODU there appears to be at lest six teams that will be left home. How much money the LA Christmas bowl with the P12 vs at-large P5 and another G5 Bowl created next year?

Little Rock is in active negotiation with CUSA and MAC, both interested but neither wild about playing vs. Sun Belt (I suppose they are presuming that Arkansas State would camp out there).

Little Rock had a title sponsor lined up last year (Arkansas Rice Federation and Riceland Foods) but the contract fell apart because Little Rock wanted a post-Christmas game and ESPN wouldn't give them an agreeable date there so Sun Belt and MAC signed with ESPN owned Montgomery.

Funding is in place for Little Rock if they can get two conferences and a TV agreement. Cure signed with NBC Sports and Fox has expressed interest in picking up bowl games.

From talking to the folks involved the only way they would do the deal is if they have either Sun Belt or AAC on one side vs either MAC or CUSA. They believe the game has to have the hook of Arkansas State, Memphis, SMU, or Tulsa (he specifically stated those four) as potential host teams to be viable during the early years.

The AAC already has between 7-8 slots a year once the Cure comes on line. I don't think the AAC is an option for Little Rock. Frankly, I'm surprised they were able to sponsor the Cure. I thought a conference had to show a history of having a certain number of bowl teams before being a legitimate tie. We are adding a team, but right now we only have 5 bowl teams with a possible 6th in Temple. Last year we had 5. Granted, we won't have a full 12 teams until next year---but we don't appear to be establishing the track record to support 8 bowls.

With the dereg I think all you need now is a TV contract and two willing conferences.

But unless CUSA or MAC adds Arkansas State, I don't see Little Rock getting off the ground if neither wants to work with the Sun Belt because Little Rock wants AState and if they can't get AState they want Memphis/Tulsa/SMU.

(12-05-2014 03:09 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  A winning record should be required for bowl game qualification, especially since FCS wins are counted.

Amen.

(12-05-2014 06:08 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:09 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  A winning record should be required for bowl game qualification, especially since FCS wins are counted.

Amen.

Apparently not what is required in the Sun Belt by letting a 7-5 team sit home for a 6-6 team to go bowling. Look for the AAC selling their G5 slot to the Cure Bowl next season to CUSA and get an ACC team for Miami because the ACC only has 8 bowl slots next season. I doubt you will ever see a G5 in Miami if the AAC can help it.

With UAB dropping FB, it's hard to imagine that Birmingham's Legion field will be maintained for much longer.

I'd guess the Birmingham Bowl's on borrowed time. One year more at max...

(12-05-2014 03:09 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  A winning record should be required for bowl game qualification, especially since FCS wins are counted.

But then there would be fewer bowl games, and since a certain number of people tune in to any random bowl game when its the only college FB on TV, that is not going to be allowed.

I know that not allowing FCS wins to count will not fly, because that is a major part of redistributing some of the big school money down into the FCS. But I do not think an FCS win should count unless that FCS school itself had a 60% winning record (7 or more wins in an 11 game season).

(12-05-2014 09:36 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 03:09 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  A winning record should be required for bowl game qualification, especially since FCS wins are counted.

But then there would be fewer bowl games, and since a certain number of people tune in to any random bowl game when its the only college FB on TV, that is not going to be allowed.

I know that not allowing FCS wins to count will not fly, because that is a major part of redistributing some of the big school money down into the FCS. But I do not think an FCS win should count unless that FCS school itself had a 60% winning record (7 or more wins in an 11 game season).

Id like to see a tie breaker where if a 6-6 team did not play FCS and the other did, then the non-FCS team gets the bowl.