I think ECU wanted to end it on the note of the Senior record setting tandem Carden-to-Hardy for the win... and the Victory Formation was for the seniors to enjoy their Pirates Plunder...

It didn't quite work out as planned... but that was the rationale for the final sequence, I'm sure of it.

The loss is on Ruff. You just run the ball off tackle and get as close as you can to center up a FG. He failed to do the logical thing that 99% of coaches would do in that situation. As a coach it is you job to put your kids in the best situation to win. That did not happen. He should man up publicly for this gaffe. It was his call to make and it was the wrong one. I hope he learned from his mistake.

He's the rational, Ruff is an idiot. Not in the had a bad night and made some questionable calls, but in the general sense of he's just not smart. Basic math and basic comprehension skills are above his intelligence level.

(12-05-2014 12:02 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's the rational, Ruff is an idiot. Not in the had a bad night and made some questionable calls, but in the general sense of he's just not smart. Basic math and basic comprehension skills are above his intelligence level.

Yikes!

On 4th down, I turned to my wife and said: pooch punt by the QB. Try to pin UCF inside the ten.

When he ran backwards ten yards and took a knee, she turned to me and said: time for an out route and a hail Mary now.

Maybe other football minds can explain, why not have the QB line up in shotgun and do a little rugby punt over the line? Worst that can happen is touchback.

No other correct Play except run 3 times and kick a fg. Anything else is dumb.

(12-05-2014 12:07 PM)Eagle4Christ Wrote:  On 4th down, I turned to my wife and said: pooch punt by the QB. Try to pin UCF inside the ten.

When he ran backwards ten yards and took a knee, she turned to me and said: time for an out route and a hail Mary now.

Maybe other football minds can explain, why not have the QB line up in shotgun and do a little rugby punt over the line? Worst that can happen is touchback.

There were several better options than wHat Ruff chose. Tehy may have been a little to close for a rugby punt... but if it had worked and pinned UCF inside the ten..ECU would have walked away with a victory.

(12-05-2014 12:06 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:02 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's the rational, Ruff is an idiot. Not in the had a bad night and made some questionable calls, but in the general sense of he's just not smart. Basic math and basic comprehension skills are above his intelligence level.

Yikes!

Plain and simple that's the truth. He's just not smart enough to comprehend the basics that it would take to do math. He's a great guy, good recruiter, and extremely popular, but all that doesn't change the harsh reality that he's an idiot. Maybe someone he trusts will in private let him know that he's not smart enough to make decisions on time because he lacks the mental capacity to do math and he'll defer to someone else going forward.

(12-05-2014 12:02 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's the rational, Ruff is an idiot. Not in the had a bad night and made some questionable calls, but in the general sense of he's just not smart. Basic math and basic comprehension skills are above his intelligence level.

As usual you over react and insult people after a loss. You clearly did not listen to the post game interviews. Ruff had nothing to do with it. It was the OC and quarterback who got crossed up. Even if the OC got thing wrong ECU still should have won the game, because all that the DC had to do was to put guys on the goal line that could knock down a hail Mary. Who did the DC put on the goal line? A safety that cannot cover and a linebacker. The DC put a LINEBACKER on the goal line. Think about that a moment. ECU has a wide receiver (Worthy) with a 40 inch verticle leap that could have been put down there, but the DC put a linebacker back there instead.

Marv, that Linebacker is 6'4 with a 34 inch vert. Has several pass break ups and an INT. He just miss timed his jump, Cam could have easly done the same. Or worse, Cam isn't used to playing D and could have committed a penality.

9 times out 10 that is incomplete or picked off. This happened to be that 1-10 times it was complete.

Rationale? Typical.

(12-05-2014 12:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:06 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:02 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's the rational, Ruff is an idiot. Not in the had a bad night and made some questionable calls, but in the general sense of he's just not smart. Basic math and basic comprehension skills are above his intelligence level.

Yikes!

Plain and simple that's the truth. He's just not smart enough to comprehend the basics that it would take to do math. He's a great guy, good recruiter, and extremely popular, but all that doesn't change the harsh reality that he's an idiot. Maybe someone he trusts will in private let him know that he's not smart enough to make decisions on time because he lacks the mental capacity to do math and he'll defer to someone else going forward.

It was the OC's deal. Not the HC. The OC screwed up. The OC also screwed up at Cincinnati just a few weeks ago by throwing 7 straight passes and not running the ball to take time off of the clock at the end of that game, even though Cincinnati still had 2 timeouts left to use in that game. Cincinnati got the ball back with a timeout left and they went down and kicked the field goal. You don't remember that game?

The bigger issue is that the OC Lincoln Riley is a sharp young guy, but he has been getting OJT at ECU for the last 5 years. So ECU has to take their lumps with a guy like that. DC Rick Smith is a wiley old veteran coach, but there is a reason that he was pretty much out of football before ECU hired him. The guy's secondary is terrible. They can't stay with their own shadows, but he keeps trotting out Allen, Hawkins and Lennon. Somehow the ECU OC and DC have combined to take a team that should have went 12-0 or 11-1 at worst and made that group 8-4. Those two guys did the same thing last year, when they found a way to help ECU lose to VT, at Tulane and at Marshall. ECU is getting what they are paying for.

I don't think any of our coaches are stupid, they wouldn't be where they are if they were. Now the play calling was poor but I think in this case Lincoln Riley was too conservative. I'm sure the way the Cincy game ended was in the back of his mind so he wanted to make sure to run out the clock. The problem with his logic was that he didn't calculate the time factored in with the timeout and realize that if we kneel the ball there is still time left on the clock. This is where Ruff or somebody on the coaching staff has to speak up and inform him that the victory formation wouldn't run the clock out. I think the coaches were so pumped up about that big stop on 4th down they stopped thinking and didn't run through the basic math and realize that there was still enough time for UCF to get the ball. If this was a one time occurrence I would just chalk it up to excitement and move on, the problem is clock management for this staff has been an issue for quite a while and this was just a glaring example of it.

Anyways I'm done with my rant, UCF played until the final whistle and played a great game. Hopefully our team and coaches learn from this.

(12-05-2014 12:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:06 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:02 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's the rational, Ruff is an idiot. Not in the had a bad night and made some questionable calls, but in the general sense of he's just not smart. Basic math and basic comprehension skills are above his intelligence level.

Yikes!

Plain and simple that's the truth. He's just not smart enough to comprehend the basics that it would take to do math. He's a great guy, good recruiter, and extremely popular, but all that doesn't change the harsh reality that he's an idiot. Maybe someone he trusts will in private let him know that he's not smart enough to make decisions on time because he lacks the mental capacity to do math and he'll defer to someone else going forward.

It was the OC's deal. Not the HC. The OC screwed up. The OC also screwed up at Cincinnati just a few weeks ago by throwing 7 straight passes and not running the ball to take time off of the clock at the end of that game, even though Cincinnati still had 2 timeouts left to use in that game. Cincinnati got the ball back with a timeout left and they went down and kicked the field goal. You don't remember that game?

The bigger issue is that the OC Lincoln Riley is a sharp young guy, but he has been getting OJT at ECU for the last 5 years. So ECU has to take their lumps with a guy like that. DC Rick Smith is a wiley old veteran coach, but there is a reason that he was pretty much out of football before ECU hired him. The guy's secondary is terrible. They can't stay with their own shadows, but he keeps trotting out Allen, Hawkins and Lennon. Somehow the ECU OC and DC have combined to take a team that should have went 12-0 or 11-1 at worst and made that group 8-4. Those two guys did the same thing last year, when they found a way to help ECU lose to VT, at Tulane and at Marshall. ECU is getting what they are paying for.

Fine, Ruff is a bumbling idiot and Riley is too young to know what he's doing. Ruff clearly is a bumbling idiot you can try to argue that fact but you know it's true. Doesn't mean he's not a great guy or a great Pirate but he's stupid. He has a low level of basic intelligence.

(12-05-2014 01:14 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:06 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:02 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's the rational, Ruff is an idiot. Not in the had a bad night and made some questionable calls, but in the general sense of he's just not smart. Basic math and basic comprehension skills are above his intelligence level.

Yikes!

Plain and simple that's the truth. He's just not smart enough to comprehend the basics that it would take to do math. He's a great guy, good recruiter, and extremely popular, but all that doesn't change the harsh reality that he's an idiot. Maybe someone he trusts will in private let him know that he's not smart enough to make decisions on time because he lacks the mental capacity to do math and he'll defer to someone else going forward.

It was the OC's deal. Not the HC. The OC screwed up. The OC also screwed up at Cincinnati just a few weeks ago by throwing 7 straight passes and not running the ball to take time off of the clock at the end of that game, even though Cincinnati still had 2 timeouts left to use in that game. Cincinnati got the ball back with a timeout left and they went down and kicked the field goal. You don't remember that game?

The bigger issue is that the OC Lincoln Riley is a sharp young guy, but he has been getting OJT at ECU for the last 5 years. So ECU has to take their lumps with a guy like that. DC Rick Smith is a wiley old veteran coach, but there is a reason that he was pretty much out of football before ECU hired him. The guy's secondary is terrible. They can't stay with their own shadows, but he keeps trotting out Allen, Hawkins and Lennon. Somehow the ECU OC and DC have combined to take a team that should have went 12-0 or 11-1 at worst and made that group 8-4. Those two guys did the same thing last year, when they found a way to help ECU lose to VT, at Tulane and at Marshall. ECU is getting what they are paying for.

Fine, Ruff is a bumbling idiot and Riley is too young to know what he's doing. Ruff clearly is a bumbling idiot you can try to argue that fact but you know it's true. Doesn't mean he's not a great guy or a great Pirate but he's stupid. He has a low level of basic intelligence.

Hey, I am hated Wolfpack fan, but that is uncalled for! Coach Ruffin is an honorable man and good coach. There was blame to go all around with players and coaches for last night. Cardin should have known better than run backwards, he should have gone toward the sideline vertically. OC should have never a taken a knee that early. DC and Def Players know not to let a man get behind you. Coach Ruff should have kicked the FG.

Poor decisions, yes but I would not call any of these people idiots.

(12-05-2014 01:19 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:14 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:06 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Yikes!

Plain and simple that's the truth. He's just not smart enough to comprehend the basics that it would take to do math. He's a great guy, good recruiter, and extremely popular, but all that doesn't change the harsh reality that he's an idiot. Maybe someone he trusts will in private let him know that he's not smart enough to make decisions on time because he lacks the mental capacity to do math and he'll defer to someone else going forward.

It was the OC's deal. Not the HC. The OC screwed up. The OC also screwed up at Cincinnati just a few weeks ago by throwing 7 straight passes and not running the ball to take time off of the clock at the end of that game, even though Cincinnati still had 2 timeouts left to use in that game. Cincinnati got the ball back with a timeout left and they went down and kicked the field goal. You don't remember that game?

The bigger issue is that the OC Lincoln Riley is a sharp young guy, but he has been getting OJT at ECU for the last 5 years. So ECU has to take their lumps with a guy like that. DC Rick Smith is a wiley old veteran coach, but there is a reason that he was pretty much out of football before ECU hired him. The guy's secondary is terrible. They can't stay with their own shadows, but he keeps trotting out Allen, Hawkins and Lennon. Somehow the ECU OC and DC have combined to take a team that should have went 12-0 or 11-1 at worst and made that group 8-4. Those two guys did the same thing last year, when they found a way to help ECU lose to VT, at Tulane and at Marshall. ECU is getting what they are paying for.

Fine, Ruff is a bumbling idiot and Riley is too young to know what he's doing. Ruff clearly is a bumbling idiot you can try to argue that fact but you know it's true. Doesn't mean he's not a great guy or a great Pirate but he's stupid. He has a low level of basic intelligence.

Hey, I am hated Wolfpack fan, but that is uncalled for! Coach Ruffin is an honorable man and good coach. There was blame to go all around with players and coaches for last night. Cardin should have known better to run better than vertical. OC should have never a taken a knee that early. DC and Def Players know not to let a man get behind you. Coach Ruff should have kicked the FG.

Poor decisions, yes but I would not call any of these people idiots.

He's a very honorable man, a great person, a great pirate, but that doesn't mean he's not an idiot. Those are separate issues. It's not his fault he's not smart, some people just aren't born with the mental capacity to do basic math. Hopefully he finally realizes he's not one of those people and lets someone else count for him.

(12-05-2014 12:27 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:19 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Shoot, run all the way back for the safety, that would have taken all the time off the clock.

There's your winning strategy.

So the best strategy is run the ball towards your own goal, where he could get possibly get tackled and give the ball to the other team with great field position? Mmmmm, I don't think so.

(12-05-2014 02:12 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:27 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:19 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Shoot, run all the way back for the safety, that would have taken all the time off the clock.

There's your winning strategy.

So the best strategy is run the ball towards your own goal, where he could get possibly get tackled and give the ball to the other team with great field position? Mmmmm, I don't think so.

Heck yeah. Intentional safety. Google it. Give away 2 points to run the clock. Easy call

I can understand not wanting to risk the FG, and having lightning strike with the kick being blocked and possibly run back for a TD. But I wonder which lightning strike is more likely, the FG block or a Hail Mary being caught for a TD.

(12-05-2014 02:28 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 02:12 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:27 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:19 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Shoot, run all the way back for the safety, that would have taken all the time off the clock.

There's your winning strategy.

So the best strategy is run the ball towards your own goal, where he could get possibly get tackled and give the ball to the other team with great field position? Mmmmm, I don't think so.

Heck yeah. Intentional safety. Google it. Give away 2 points to run the clock. Easy call

Running 75 yards toward the UCF Goal Line would have been REAL easy to do? Something tells me the UCF Players would have chase and then tackled him WELL before he made it 75 yds to UCF's end zone.