(12-03-2014 11:21 PM)txst_roundrock Wrote:  I think it is about all about the money that you can bring to the table (P5 versus the G5) in the end, those who can, or those who can't is the distinction. How can it not?

yes it is about the money. also about fan support and brand recognition. as long as p5 schools draw 50-100,000 fans and 100's of millions of revenue while g5 schools draw as few as 5-8,000 and try to operate on as little as 11 or 12 million dollars the great disparity will exist. I used to hear people say that g5 schools can be competitive because there are more good players coming out of high school than the p5's can sign. true but g5's will always be picking last and will always be operating on less money in front of smaller crowds.

(12-03-2014 10:42 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 09:37 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  Just curious why all the love for eku?
What is it that some of you believe they bring to the sbc?

Legitimately? Not horrible basketball, new area, eastern school, not horrible football, and they appear to be able to get the votes.

Jax State apparently won't get the votes with either Troy or USA in the conference. Liberty won't get the votes as long as people are sane. Lamar/Sam Houston/SFA/FGCU (or whatever that guy says) are all nowhere near ready.

1 not great basketball either,
2 new area,, what really is the benefit in that? It will provide little or no extra media money and if you cant recruit kentucky now you still wont.
3 agreed not bad at football id go further and say their pretty good.
4. If they had the votes theyd be in wouldnt they. Much like if jmu wanted they would be in.
5. EKU is no where near ready

(12-04-2014 09:54 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  1 not great basketball either,
2 new area,, what really is the benefit in that? It will provide little or no extra media money and if you cant recruit kentucky now you still wont.
3 agreed not bad at football id go further and say their pretty good.
4. If they had the votes theyd be in wouldnt they. Much like if jmu wanted they would be in.
5. EKU is no where near ready

1. Have you seen Sun Belt basketball? They would improve overall conference basketball.
2. new area means more inroads to recruiting, it's in the east, giving a travel partner to App, and keeps anyone in the west from having to shift east.
3. we agree, so no biggie here.
4. They aren't ready, so giving them the votes now and asking them to get acclimated on the fly is where they went wrong with Georgia State. Besides, now, we have the luxury of saying "take your time, get your ducks in a row and then we can invite you (all the while looking at other options)", as opposed to what we had to do with Georgia State which was more like "be ready in two weeks, cause we need you NOW".
5. They don't have to be ready today.

Bottom line is, there's no one except those outside the conference saying "NO WAY" to them. Can't say that about Jacksonville State (where you have at least 2 saying no, in Troy and USA), and Liberty (which I believe everyone in the conference is saying "NO WAY").

I'm a South guy, and I have been supporting Jax St into the conference for a couple years now. However, the SBC hasn't given me a vote, yet.

(12-03-2014 11:20 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Aren't we losing the NOLA bowl in a few years?

That's my scare... It's the farthest west bowl we have a tie-in. I know we pick up another bowl next year, but it's farther east than the others... We need a western bowl, but unfortunately, I think the conference itself is more in the southeast. Adding a bowl in Texas, while happy for us, isn't really a good idea for the conference as the rest of the conference would have "bad" travel.

We need UTA to start up football big time. 2 teams in Texas, a major metro area, and the potential to have a bowl in Texas.

I love the idea of UTA re-starting their Football program . . and it would be a great for us. But honestly, I think we'd sooner get into CUSA (and that probablt aint happening anytime soon), as UTA is nowhere near ready to re-start football.

(12-04-2014 10:18 AM)Usajags Wrote:  I'm a South guy, and I have been supporting Jax St into the conference for a couple years now. However, the SBC hasn't given me a vote, yet.

You know what I mean... Fans have no say, administrations do. And from what folks are saying, I believe USA & Troy are not too keen on having a third Alabamian school in their backyard playing FBS football (let alone in the same conference).

Same as I'm sure Rice & UH are not too keen on the notion of Sam Houston State joining FBS (though to be fair, I don't think Sam is looking at moving up any time soon).

(12-04-2014 10:31 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 11:20 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Aren't we losing the NOLA bowl in a few years?

That's my scare... It's the farthest west bowl we have a tie-in. I know we pick up another bowl next year, but it's farther east than the others... We need a western bowl, but unfortunately, I think the conference itself is more in the southeast. Adding a bowl in Texas, while happy for us, isn't really a good idea for the conference as the rest of the conference would have "bad" travel.

We need UTA to start up football big time. 2 teams in Texas, a major metro area, and the potential to have a bowl in Texas.

I love the idea of UTA re-starting their Football program . . and it would be a great for us. But honestly, I think we'd sooner get into CUSA (and that probablt aint happening anytime soon), as UTA is nowhere near ready to re-start football.

The "big brother" down in Austin wont allow it. Would be a major hit to their recruiting. About a third of the longhorns 99-man roster comes from DFW or surrounding areas. Bad enough UT isnt the calibur they used to be, but now is probably already losing recruits to TCU in the area at this point. They dont want anymore competition than what they already have for recruiting. Plus it took forever to get UTA from playing basketball on "the stage". Lord knows how long it would take for them to get a football stadium. I dont know if using a high school field would be realistic since most schools share fields and play on saturdays also. The only possible area I can see one being built is where the old Cowboys stadium used to be since it is just a giant parking lot now. But then they would need the funds to build, and then hire a better company than Allen HS used to build one.

If we do make changes...seems like the majority of folks are okay with adding NMSU as a full member. Non-renew Idaho. Then of the candidates:

Liberty --- Will not get the required number of votes
JMU --- Had their chance (twice)
Jacksonville State --- Probably best option
EKU --- Not ready
Missouri State --- Not ready, but getting close.

If we add this coming spring...Jacksonville State would be best candidate.
I understand Troy and USA may be against, but that'sw only 2 votes and they might be persuaded.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=etfIdtm-OC8

The "big brother" down in Austin wont allow it. Would be a major hit to their recruiting. About a third of the longhorns 99-man roster comes from DFW or surrounding areas. Bad enough UT isnt the calibur they used to be, but now is probably already losing recruits to TCU in the area at this point. They dont want anymore competition than what they already have for recruiting. Plus it took forever to get UTA from playing basketball on "the stage". Lord knows how long it would take for them to get a football stadium. I dont know if using a high school field would be realistic since most schools share fields and play on saturdays also. The only possible area I can see one being built is where the old Cowboys stadium used to be since it is just a giant parking lot now. But then they would need the funds to build, and then hire a better company than Allen HS used to build one.
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In 1979 UTA was simultaneously building a football stadium and proposing a basketball arena. The stadium got built, but the arena got canned as result of a lawsuit. Lots of stupid and reckless decisions were made then.



UTA played in its own version of off-campus "Legion Field" before building an on-campus stadium.

(11-30-2014 09:41 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 01:10 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 12:56 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  We have no need for 14 teams. That's too much of a split of the Playoff pot. We invite one more for 12, or kick Idaho to the curb and invite two more for 12. That's all.

If the belt keeps the lifeline out for Idaho...why not help out UMASS as well.
We all know they would be members short-term. But having 14 teams could help the Belt negoitiate a better tv package and perhaps another bowl tie-in.
NMSU should be a no-brainer as a full member. Missouri State would be a good add and when considering the teams in the east (JMU, Liberty, Jacksonville State and EKU), Jacksonville State appears to be the best add.
JMU burned its bridge and Liberty doesn't fit and EKU is no where ready for the move up. Jusr over 1,900 for a playoff game is pitiful.

NMSU would be stupid to bring over Basketball to the Sunbelt and share its probable NCAA tourney credits with the Belt.

Would be the best add the SunBelt has made, but it won't happen, wishful thinking.

How would NMSU moving basketball to the SunBelt have anything to do with tourney credits? They are both 1 bid leagues and NMSU hasn't actually won any NCAA tourney games so they won't have any extra credits in the WAC at this point.

Add MoSt out west

as for the east, go down the line and take the first one who says yes...
1)JMU
2)Liberty
3)EKU
3)JMU

Has there been any mention of Coastal Carolina? And if not, why not?

(12-04-2014 12:26 PM)APPrising Wrote:  Has there been any mention of Coastal Carolina? And if not, why not?

Because 99% of the population does not know what the hell a Chanticleer is.

(12-04-2014 12:38 PM)G.A.T.A. Eagles Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:26 PM)APPrising Wrote:  Has there been any mention of Coastal Carolina? And if not, why not?

Because 99% of the population does not know what the hell a Chanticleer is.

Thanks for the reply, but its a good program and would be a fun place to go watch football and spend some time at the beach.

(12-04-2014 12:38 PM)G.A.T.A. Eagles Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:26 PM)APPrising Wrote:  Has there been any mention of Coastal Carolina? And if not, why not?

Because 99% of the population does not know what the hell a Chanticleer is.

something to do with having balls on your chin, I think

(12-04-2014 12:15 PM)GaSouthern Wrote:  Add MoSt out west

as for the east, go down the line and take the first one who says yes...
1)JMU
2)Liberty
3)EKU
3)JMU

1. JSU
2. EKU
3. Belmont oly / UMASS football only

No to Liberty and JMU

(12-04-2014 12:41 PM)APPrising Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:38 PM)G.A.T.A. Eagles Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:26 PM)APPrising Wrote:  Has there been any mention of Coastal Carolina? And if not, why not?

Because 99% of the population does not know what the hell a Chanticleer is.

Thanks for the reply, but its a good program and would be a fun place to go watch football and spend some time at the beach.

You took it wrong so was not trying to be a smart A. I actually like the Chickens and what they would bring as far as baseball and football. I have no idea what their facilities look like though.

(12-04-2014 12:38 PM)G.A.T.A. Eagles Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:26 PM)APPrising Wrote:  Has there been any mention of Coastal Carolina? And if not, why not?

Because 99% of the population does not know what the hell a Chanticleer is.

Post of the thread.

(12-04-2014 12:49 PM)G.A.T.A. Eagles Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:41 PM)APPrising Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:38 PM)G.A.T.A. Eagles Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:26 PM)APPrising Wrote:  Has there been any mention of Coastal Carolina? And if not, why not?

Because 99% of the population does not know what the hell a Chanticleer is.

Thanks for the reply, but its a good program and would be a fun place to go watch football and spend some time at the beach.

You took it wrong so was not trying to be a smart A. I actually like the Chickens and what they would bring as far as baseball and football. I have no idea what their facilities look like though.

Their football stadium is very small but nice. Similar to Mercer's.