With all the violent crime in NYC they sent these policemen to arrest a guy selling cigarettes. Nuts.

(12-03-2014 08:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  How many more times?

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Post the stats troll.

NYC Commissar Bill De Blasio Blames “Centuries of Racism” For Garner Ruling…

He used the same “centuries of racism” line for Ferguson two days ago.

(12-03-2014 11:05 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  With all the violent crime in NYC they sent these policemen to arrest a guy selling cigarettes. Nuts.

As in any tragedy, it was many failures that led to a bad outcome:

1) New York's high taxes led to a thriving black market
2) the deceased man chose to make his living illegally
3) the deceased man was not cooperative and resisted arrest
4) the officer used a chokehold technique that was banned by the police department (but it was not "illegal")
5) the officers ignored the man (11 times?) when he said he couldn't breathe

The Zimmerman Effect

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This thread makes me sad for our future. The absolute trust of police even when there is blatant and obvious excessive force should be appalling to everyone. Instead pretty much everyone here is blaming Eric Garner.

He didn't even have any cigarettes on him that day. He didn't do anything wrong. The police were called to the scene to break up a fight, a fight he helped break up. To say he resisted arrest is to be incredibly liberal with that term. He was frustrated he felt he was being harassed by the police when he was doing nothing wrong and voiced his displeasure. But he didn't have a weapon. He was never violent. He never threatened the police or tried to escape. No one was put in danger by the actions of Eric Garner. That simply can't be disputed, especially when you take into account how many officers were on the scene. To suggest the police acted properly is to not watch that video or to not care about human life. Of course the cop that was under investigation has other civil suits against him, one of which the city has already had to pay up for. He will almost definitely lose this civil suit as well. But that won't bring Eric Garner back to life.

Also not sure why anyone could be upset with something so blatantly true as de Blasio mentioning centuries of racism. Why do white people feel so threatened about something that is so clearly true? And how in the world do they not think this affects our country today?

(12-04-2014 01:06 AM)Overrated Wrote:  This thread makes me sad for our future. The absolute trust of police even when there is blatant and obvious excessive force should be appalling to everyone. Instead pretty much everyone here is blaming Eric Garner.

He didn't even have any cigarettes on him that day. He didn't do anything wrong. The police were called to the scene to break up a fight, a fight he helped break up. To say he resisted arrest is to be incredibly liberal with that term. He was frustrated he felt he was being harassed by the police when he was doing nothing wrong and voiced his displeasure. But he didn't have a weapon. He was never violent. He never threatened the police or tried to escape. No one was put in danger by the actions of Eric Garner. That simply can't be disputed, especially when you take into account how many officers were on the scene. To suggest the police acted properly is to not watch that video or to not care about human life. Of course the cop that was under investigation has other civil suits against him, one of which the city has already had to pay up for. He will almost definitely lose this civil suit as well. But that won't bring Eric Garner back to life.

Also not sure why anyone could be upset with something so blatantly true as de Blasio mentioning centuries of racism. Why do white people feel so threatened about something that is so clearly true? And how in the world do they not think this affects our country today?

^^^^^ well stated ^^^^

(12-03-2014 05:10 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Let's burn this b!tch down!!!

Whoooooo's with me?!?!?!?!?!? Lesss Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Murder.... No . Bad mistake from the Officer to put a choke hold and not let up when He said He couldn't breathe ...... You bet ! Should have been held liable in contributing to cause of His Death just as if a Civilian whom punched another person whom later Died would have been charged. If He had released the Choke hold and the Guy continued to fight then more pressure could have been applied. But I'm not a Lawyer nor a Policeman.

(12-04-2014 01:40 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 01:06 AM)Overrated Wrote:  This thread makes me sad for our future. The absolute trust of police even when there is blatant and obvious excessive force should be appalling to everyone. Instead pretty much everyone here is blaming Eric Garner.

He didn't even have any cigarettes on him that day. He didn't do anything wrong. The police were called to the scene to break up a fight, a fight he helped break up. To say he resisted arrest is to be incredibly liberal with that term. He was frustrated he felt he was being harassed by the police when he was doing nothing wrong and voiced his displeasure. But he didn't have a weapon. He was never violent. He never threatened the police or tried to escape. No one was put in danger by the actions of Eric Garner. That simply can't be disputed, especially when you take into account how many officers were on the scene. To suggest the police acted properly is to not watch that video or to not care about human life. Of course the cop that was under investigation has other civil suits against him, one of which the city has already had to pay up for. He will almost definitely lose this civil suit as well. But that won't bring Eric Garner back to life.

Also not sure why anyone could be upset with something so blatantly true as de Blasio mentioning centuries of racism. Why do white people feel so threatened about something that is so clearly true? And how in the world do they not think this affects our country today?

^^^^^ well stated ^^^^

I agree. No way was the amount of force used appropriate. Someone should be punished for this and I hope they sue the living schit out of everyone involved.

I guess the police need to use less force and let some people go. But that's a slippery slope; if the bad guys learn that all they have to do is resist and fight back, we're going to have another set of problems to deal with.

(12-03-2014 10:20 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:02 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  As many as it takes for the ignorant bastards learn to listen and obey the law and its agents.


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There was really no opportunity for him to obey. The choke hold was applied and natural reaction is to not fall on the ground.

Have you watched the video? He was yelling at the cops to "leave him alone about the illegal cigs he was selling". Now I think NYC has better things to do than enforce this crap on this small scale, however, he was breaking the law. Watch the video. All he has to do is comply with the Police


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(12-04-2014 01:06 AM)Overrated Wrote:  This thread makes me sad for our future. The absolute trust of police even when there is blatant and obvious excessive force should be appalling to everyone. Instead pretty much everyone here is blaming Eric Garner.

He didn't even have any cigarettes on him that day. He didn't do anything wrong. The police were called to the scene to break up a fight, a fight he helped break up. To say he resisted arrest is to be incredibly liberal with that term. He was frustrated he felt he was being harassed by the police when he was doing nothing wrong and voiced his displeasure. But he didn't have a weapon. He was never violent. He never threatened the police or tried to escape. No one was put in danger by the actions of Eric Garner. That simply can't be disputed, especially when you take into account how many officers were on the scene. To suggest the police acted properly is to not watch that video or to not care about human life. Of course the cop that was under investigation has other civil suits against him, one of which the city has already had to pay up for. He will almost definitely lose this civil suit as well. But that won't bring Eric Garner back to life.

Also not sure why anyone could be upset with something so blatantly true as de Blasio mentioning centuries of racism. Why do white people feel so threatened about something that is so clearly true? And how in the world do they not think this affects our country today?

Were the police in the wrong regarding everything surrounding this incident? Yes and your explanation is completely correct. I haven't seen exactly what they tried to indite for but this was clearly a case of negligent homicide.

That being said, the NY mayor's statement was absolutely incorrect and deferring to that particular POV will in no way resolve these issues. You'll never see it carried in the national media but the police treat poor whitse in WV and Alabama in the exact same manner and with similar results. There does need to be a conversation and it should center around how law enforcement should operate in the 21st century and not be distracted by 'a conversation on race.'

Why is it so difficult to not break the law?

Fitbud, honest question, how would you arrest garner here given the circumstances? Assuming you had to make the arrest?

(12-03-2014 11:09 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  NYC Commissar Bill De Blasio Blames “Centuries of Racism” For Garner Ruling…

He used the same “centuries of racism” line for Ferguson two days ago.

This Lib apologist for criminals appears to be as ignorant as the animals that are protesting and looting. Oh yes, it is not his place to comment on Ferguson, he has his hands full in NYC.


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(12-04-2014 08:17 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Why is it so difficult to not break the law?

This "gentleman" had been arrested 31 times in the last 25 years. There have been cries for community policing, saying this wouldn't have happened if the officers had known the man. But from what I read, they were on a first name basis with him. They knew him and he knew them.

The media will (again) portray him as the second coming.

In the late 1970's into the early 1980's a lot of nightclubs hired Ex police and Ex Servicemen as Bar Bouncers. I've seen White Guys get in fights inside the bars and These Big Bouncers would just put Them into a headlock and carry Them right on through the push bar exit doors head first into the parking lot. Never heard the first complaint about mistreatment. Some Bouncers were Black but That was just the way You dealt with trouble makers in the day.

(12-04-2014 08:17 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Why is it so difficult to not break the law?

Considering a regular person has can unwittingly commit at least three felonies a day along with a score of other misdemeanors, it's really a question of what response you take when the police decide you're a person of interest.