(12-03-2014 12:39 PM)thewood3 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 12:34 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  JP is going to finish this year with no fewer than 17-18 wins (it will be nearly impossible with this team to lose more with this schedule). The question is not what we think, not what we see but the question is, WILL JP be fired for that result - a winning season, after 4 NCAA appearances in a row?.

We should just offer him an extension and fall off the map in college bball.

I think we have already done both of those things.

(12-03-2014 10:42 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Maybe they'll force him to hire a seasoned assistant with X's & O's knowledge if he wants to keep his job.

I hear you but, that never seems to work. It usually only delays the inevitable.

(12-03-2014 11:16 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  I still think he gets this year as a mulligan unless the wheels really spin off...players transferring, pulling out of commitments, losing or near 500 record etc

Why would a sixth year coach need a mulligan? I'd agree if we had a S16 appearance in either of the last 2 years..... we don't. What are we 'rebuilding' from?

(12-03-2014 12:42 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:42 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Maybe they'll force him to hire a seasoned assistant with X's & O's knowledge if he wants to keep his job.

I hear you but, that never seems to work. It usually only delays the inevitable.

agreed, but it might stop some of the bleeding in the meantime & save the Ambassadors a little coin.

(12-03-2014 09:25 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  2.65 million a year GUARANTEED until 2020. Fire him after this season and it cost us 13.25 million. Next year, 10.6 and so on. We have to get behind the coach and support the program because we really have no other choice except find a new team for a couple years. That's not an option for this fan. While I hate it, I think he's bought a bad year. I support the Tigers and hope JP can pull it out. I don't see another option right now

I highly doubt that is the actual arrangement. A contract like that makes absolutely no sense for a coach with 2 NCAA tournament wins. However, if that is the case, Memphis would not be on the hook for the full $2.65 per year. JP would land a head coaching job, that will pay in the $1-1.5 million range. At worst, Memphis would be responsible for the difference, so somewhere between $1.65 and $1.15 million per year...

(12-03-2014 11:02 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 11:00 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  If the buyout is only $5 million, then he's a goner with a losing record.

Near impossible for this team to finish below .500 this year. 1-3 games over .500, even with what we have seen so far. I have the team at 18-15 with a loss to SFA.

We just lost to SF freaking A. At home. Nothing is impossible.

(12-03-2014 09:25 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  2.65 million a year GUARANTEED until 2020. Fire him after this season and it cost us 13.25 million. Next year, 10.6 and so on. We have to get behind the coach and support the program because we really have no other choice except find a new team for a couple years. That's not an option for this fan. While I hate it, I think he's bought a bad year. I support the Tigers and hope JP can pull it out. I don't see another option right now

Post the contract here so we can see for ourselves and actually make some informed opinions.

(12-03-2014 12:45 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 12:42 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:42 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Maybe they'll force him to hire a seasoned assistant with X's & O's knowledge if he wants to keep his job.

I hear you but, that never seems to work. It usually only delays the inevitable.

agreed, but it might stop some of the bleeding in the meantime & save the Ambassadors a little coin.

Wouldn't be a bad idea to have the admin hire something akin to a "coach trainer" to follow Pastner around giving him recommendations on play calling, rotations and who actually plays.

(12-03-2014 10:47 AM)Chirs Wrote:  No surprise that the most well-coached looking team was the first one with Willis Wilson on the sideline.

& WW couldn't wait to leave.

(12-03-2014 10:42 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Maybe they'll force him to hire a seasoned assistant with X's & O's knowledge if he wants to keep his job.

The rumor from the inner-circle is that he doesn't really listen to his assistants, only his dad.

(12-03-2014 01:24 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 12:45 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 12:42 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:42 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Maybe they'll force him to hire a seasoned assistant with X's & O's knowledge if he wants to keep his job.

I hear you but, that never seems to work. It usually only delays the inevitable.

agreed, but it might stop some of the bleeding in the meantime & save the Ambassadors a little coin.

Wouldn't be a bad idea to have the admin hire something akin to a "coach trainer" to follow Pastner around giving him recommendations on play calling, rotations and who actually plays.

How would you react to someone your boss hired to follow you around and tell you how to do your job? When almost no one else in your position or similar had any arrangement like that? After you'd been in your position for half a decade? A situation like that would be obviously untenable for people who don't have ironcald contracts that would allow them to tell their boss to go pound sand.

If anyone is going to hire someone to help Josh with his limitations, it's going to have to be Josh. And for that to happen, Josh would have to not have a huge blind spot about exactly what his limitations are and why it is, in his 6th season, he's still having problems communicating with and motivating his players.

(12-03-2014 01:34 PM)TigerTim Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:42 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Maybe they'll force him to hire a seasoned assistant with X's & O's knowledge if he wants to keep his job.

The rumor from the inner-circle is that he doesn't really listen to his assistants, only his dad.

& julian

Wait til' 2020!

(12-03-2014 01:13 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 11:02 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 11:00 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  If the buyout is only $5 million, then he's a goner with a losing record.

Near impossible for this team to finish below .500 this year. 1-3 games over .500, even with what we have seen so far. I have the team at 18-15 with a loss to SFA.

We just lost to SF freaking A. At home. Nothing is impossible.

They are not a bad team this year, but having said that we still should have beat them.

(12-03-2014 01:45 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Wait til' 2020!

there's a sad reality

(12-03-2014 12:45 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 09:25 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  2.65 million a year GUARANTEED until 2020. Fire him after this season and it cost us 13.25 million. Next year, 10.6 and so on. We have to get behind the coach and support the program because we really have no other choice except find a new team for a couple years. That's not an option for this fan. While I hate it, I think he's bought a bad year. I support the Tigers and hope JP can pull it out. I don't see another option right now

I highly doubt that is the actual arrangement. A contract like that makes absolutely no sense for a coach with 2 NCAA tournament wins. However, if that is the case, Memphis would not be on the hook for the full $2.65 per year. JP would land a head coaching job, that will pay in the $1-1.5 million range. At worst, Memphis would be responsible for the difference, so somewhere between $1.65 and $1.15 million per year...

Here's the quote concerning his contract that I pulled from the CA article this morning:
"Indeed, Memphis fans can’t even allow themselves to get all cranked up about the possibility of firing the head coach, which is the usual diversion during a season like this. That’s because the head coach has a contract for $2.65 million a year through 2020, with no buyout. So that ends the firing talk pretty quick.

Instead, there’s nothing. Despair. Emptiness. The deliberate decision to not give a flip."

(12-03-2014 01:21 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 09:25 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  2.65 million a year GUARANTEED until 2020. Fire him after this season and it cost us 13.25 million. Next year, 10.6 and so on. We have to get behind the coach and support the program because we really have no other choice except find a new team for a couple years. That's not an option for this fan. While I hate it, I think he's bought a bad year. I support the Tigers and hope JP can pull it out. I don't see another option right now

Post the contract here so we can see for ourselves and actually make some informed opinions.

See above post....I will say Calkins, who's also the author, said on his radio show that he has the contract and read it and while there's no buyout, the U could cancel the auto renewable contract and owe over 7 million, or attempt to negotiate a buyout, but there isn't one in the contract.
While I don't have the ability or desire to fill out a FOIA request, here's the CAs summary of it when they did fill one out:
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/pas...on-year-ne

Something that stands out is he's now making 300k more than Cal was at the end

(12-03-2014 01:36 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 01:24 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 12:45 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 12:42 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:42 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Maybe they'll force him to hire a seasoned assistant with X's & O's knowledge if he wants to keep his job.

I hear you but, that never seems to work. It usually only delays the inevitable.

agreed, but it might stop some of the bleeding in the meantime & save the Ambassadors a little coin.

Wouldn't be a bad idea to have the admin hire something akin to a "coach trainer" to follow Pastner around giving him recommendations on play calling, rotations and who actually plays.

How would you react to someone your boss hired to follow you around and tell you how to do your job? When almost no one else in your position or similar had any arrangement like that? After you'd been in your position for half a decade? A situation like that would be obviously untenable for people who don't have ironcald contracts that would allow them to tell their boss to go pound sand.

If anyone is going to hire someone to help Josh with his limitations, it's going to have to be Josh. And for that to happen, Josh would have to not have a huge blind spot about exactly what his limitations are and why it is, in his 6th season, he's still having problems communicating with and motivating his players.

We did it to Johnny Jones when he took over for Tic. RC brought in a guy who had previously been the head coach at CBU I believe.

But Jones was an interim coach taking over a few games into the season, not a 6th year head coach.

Charlie Leonard

(12-03-2014 12:42 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:42 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Maybe they'll force him to hire a seasoned assistant with X's & O's knowledge if he wants to keep his job.

I hear you but, that never seems to work. It usually only delays the inevitable.

I dont follow Florida basketball but there seems to be a popular sentiment that this is exactly what happened at Florida and Donavan now has 2 rings because of it.