We definitely have some work to do. If we can get the Tigers from the 1st half of last nights game we'll be pretty solid. We simply stopped doing what was working. Josh doesn't need to emphasize going inside over and over and over again. That's all the team was looking for. They did a great job in the first half of mixing it up, being patient and looking for good shots. Some of the ball movement was incredible. They passed the ball around, hit open shots, dished inside when it was there. It looked good.

Then the 2nd half started with a bunch of foul calls against us, Tigers came out and played from behind the rest of the game and fell apart. The ball movement disappeared, we seemed to be trying to force it inside a lot which led to bad turnovers and then we started taking bad shots. The thing I did see was that this team definitely has potential. They just need to stay composed.

The season definitely isn't over we're 1-2. We'll be 2-2 after tonight. We need to come back home focused and work on some glaring issues. The defense hasn't been horrible this season until last night. Baylor had about 8 wide open threes that they hit and about 5 that they missed. They had wide open midrange shots and a few open 2 footers. The guys have got to close out. That has been the same for a few seasons now.

I don't know why the coaching staff doesn't seem to trust the 4/5's but our 3 should not be double teaming a post player on an inbounds pass especially when 00 had already hit 1-2 threes on us. It ended up happening 4-5 times. That was disgusting.

(11-28-2014 01:40 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:33 PM)Chirs Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

Yeah, because you are far too sophisticated and nuanced in your fanhood for us rubes to grasp. You seem like an arrogant little fella.

Heaven forbid us common folk want to get rid of a bad coach so we can get a better one.

Why are you getting all upset? Learn how to put up a basketball goal and then tell us who the next coach should be.

The next basketball coach will not be hired by RC. He will be hired by (hopefully) the same committee that hired Fuente.

The timing of any coaching change will of course be decided by Bowen and those who will pay for it coming and going.

(11-28-2014 12:51 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

Wow, unable to use a screwdriver? Damn.

The financial issue has been addressed by myself and others. All the Mensa candidates clamoring for Pastner's dismissal 4 games into the season are not thinking it through.

Basically, the final numbers come to about $23-25mm to pay off Pastner through 2019 and hire the next coach to a similar four year deal. Since the same deep pocket donors also cover Fuente, I include about $8mm for his new deal that is certainly on the immediate horizon.

Thus, my estimated total outlay to cover ALL of these coaching salaries is approximately $33mm.

A lot of posters are quick to spend other folks' money to effect the changes the posters deem necessary (but can't or won't contribute to).

I personally think Pastner can go to the NIT this year and be back next year. But the big boosters will make that decision after the season is completed.

Time will tell, folks. Let's see how the season plays out.

Better question is, how much will it cost to completely rebuild a program/brand after six years of JP running it in the ground?

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(11-28-2014 02:17 PM)450bench Wrote:  Stammers you made a fantastic post a week ago about letting the season play out and evaluate and make necessary changes then. It was a great post. Reasonable and logical.
Do you think Josh is the guy for this job?

When He Was Hired
Yes, nobody else wanted it

Up To Now
Yes, historically, only a handful of coaches with a range of experience to zero years, to 5 years with a mid major would have been able to achieve the success that Pastner has.

Next Year And Moving Forward
No idea. We are kind of at a crossroads where we are nearing the end of being grateful to Pastner for saving the program, and needing to move forward to get better results. He has had enough time to learn and should be developing into a good coach. He is churning midway through his second recruiting cycle. I don't think a Sweet 16 is necessary this year, but we need to see the players improve. Pastner isn't going to get fired unless we tank completely, but I think we need to see drastic improvement from now to the end of the year, and I think we need a Sweet 16 next year.

(11-28-2014 02:41 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:17 PM)450bench Wrote:  Stammers you made a fantastic post a week ago about letting the season play out and evaluate and make necessary changes then. It was a great post. Reasonable and logical.
Do you think Josh is the guy for this job?

When He Was Hired
Yes, nobody else wanted it

Up To Now
Yes, historically, only a handful of coaches with a range of experience to zero years, to 5 years with a mid major would have been able to achieve the success that Pastner has.

Next Year And Moving Forward
No idea. We are kind of at a crossroads where we are nearing the end of being grateful to Pastner for saving the program, and needing to move forward to get better results. He has had enough time to learn and should be developing into a good coach. He is churning midway through his second recruiting cycle. I don't think a Sweet 16 is necessary this year, but we need to see the players improve. Pastner isn't going to get fired unless we tank completely, but I think we need to see drastic improvement from now to the end of the year, and I think we need a Sweet 16 next year.

Nice punt.

(11-28-2014 01:43 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:51 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

Wow, unable to use a screwdriver? Damn.

The financial issue has been addressed by myself and others. All the Mensa candidates clamoring for Pastner's dismissal 4 games into the season are not thinking it through.

Basically, the final numbers come to about $23-25mm to pay off Pastner through 2019 and hire the next coach to a similar four year deal. Since the same deep pocket donors also cover Fuente, I include about $8mm for his new deal that is certainly on the immediate horizon.

Thus, my estimated total outlay to cover ALL of these coaching salaries is approximately $33mm.

A lot of posters are quick to spend other folks' money to effect the changes the posters deem necessary (but can't or won't contribute to).

I personally think Pastner can go to the NIT this year and be back next year. But the big boosters will make that decision after the season is completed.

Time will tell, folks. Let's see how the season plays out.

I'm sure you are all buddy buddy with all these folks doe. You always have all the answers.

What's with all your "doe, doe, doe" responses? They make about as much sense as the rest of your posts.

(11-28-2014 02:41 PM)callemasIsee-em Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:51 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

Wow, unable to use a screwdriver? Damn.

The financial issue has been addressed by myself and others. All the Mensa candidates clamoring for Pastner's dismissal 4 games into the season are not thinking it through.

Basically, the final numbers come to about $23-25mm to pay off Pastner through 2019 and hire the next coach to a similar four year deal. Since the same deep pocket donors also cover Fuente, I include about $8mm for his new deal that is certainly on the immediate horizon.

Thus, my estimated total outlay to cover ALL of these coaching salaries is approximately $33mm.

A lot of posters are quick to spend other folks' money to effect the changes the posters deem necessary (but can't or won't contribute to).

I personally think Pastner can go to the NIT this year and be back next year. But the big boosters will make that decision after the season is completed.

Time will tell, folks. Let's see how the season plays out.

Better question is, how much will it cost to completely rebuild a program/brand after six years of JP running it in the ground?

.

.

It is a shame that the AUP allows someone like you to make a post like this, but doesn't allow anyone to make obvious comments regarding your level of intelligence.

- 4 straight NCAA appearances
- Every single player except Godfrey will be back
- Wins in the last two NCAA tournaments
- Wins against 5 opponents ranked in the top 25 last season

I won't take it for granted that you are aware of the above accomplishments. It doesn't seem possible that you are, because it doesn't seem possible that a person of even below average intelligence would evaluate the above and, say that Pastner has run the program into the ground.

(11-28-2014 02:35 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  We definitely have some work to do. If we can get the Tigers from the 1st half of last nights game we'll be pretty solid.

EVERY team...even the worst can have a rationale like that.

Take UTk. They were waxed by VCU but were tied 62-all with KU and 6 minutes to go.

Kansas then rolled them out to end the game with a 15 point win.

Should TN fans be discounting the whooping vs. VCU and hanging their hats on playing even with a good team for some portion of a game?

That can be our new measure of how we are.

"Hmmm. We lost to Uconn by 25, BUT we outscored them 11-9 in a 5 minute stretch in the first half. I see continued improvement."

(11-28-2014 02:45 PM)danny1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 01:43 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:51 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

Wow, unable to use a screwdriver? Damn.

The financial issue has been addressed by myself and others. All the Mensa candidates clamoring for Pastner's dismissal 4 games into the season are not thinking it through.

Basically, the final numbers come to about $23-25mm to pay off Pastner through 2019 and hire the next coach to a similar four year deal. Since the same deep pocket donors also cover Fuente, I include about $8mm for his new deal that is certainly on the immediate horizon.

Thus, my estimated total outlay to cover ALL of these coaching salaries is approximately $33mm.

A lot of posters are quick to spend other folks' money to effect the changes the posters deem necessary (but can't or won't contribute to).

I personally think Pastner can go to the NIT this year and be back next year. But the big boosters will make that decision after the season is completed.

Time will tell, folks. Let's see how the season plays out.

I'm sure you are all buddy buddy with all these folks doe. You always have all the answers.

What's with all your "doe, doe, doe" responses? They make about as much sense as the rest of your posts.

Urban Dictionary
doe - an idiot's way of saying "though," usually at the end of a sentence.

That hair doe
Those lips doe
But really doe

(11-28-2014 02:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:35 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  We definitely have some work to do. If we can get the Tigers from the 1st half of last nights game we'll be pretty solid.

EVERY team...even the worst can have a rationale like that.

Take UTk. They were waxed by VCU but were tied 62-all with KU and 6 minutes to go.

Kansas then rolled them out to end the game with a 15 point win.

Should TN fans be discounting the whooping vs. VCU and hanging their hats on playing even with a good team for some portion of a game?

That can be our new measure of how we are. "

Hmmm. We lost to Uconn by 25, BUT we outscored them 11-9 in a 5 minute stretch in the first half. I see continued improvement."

Your statement would make a little bit of sense if we didn't have a single guard who played a single minute in a D1 game last year. Your statement would also make sense if we didn't have 10 new players. Your statement would make a little bit of sense if we didn't have so many injuries.

Do you know what a ceiling is? Are you able to differentiate between the ceiling for a team with so many new parts compared to a veteran team that has played together for a long time?

(11-28-2014 02:43 PM)Chirs Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:41 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:17 PM)450bench Wrote:  Stammers you made a fantastic post a week ago about letting the season play out and evaluate and make necessary changes then. It was a great post. Reasonable and logical.
Do you think Josh is the guy for this job?

When He Was Hired
Yes, nobody else wanted it

Up To Now
Yes, historically, only a handful of coaches with a range of experience to zero years, to 5 years with a mid major would have been able to achieve the success that Pastner has.

Next Year And Moving Forward
No idea. We are kind of at a crossroads where we are nearing the end of being grateful to Pastner for saving the program, and needing to move forward to get better results. He has had enough time to learn and should be developing into a good coach. He is churning midway through his second recruiting cycle. I don't think a Sweet 16 is necessary this year, but we need to see the players improve. Pastner isn't going to get fired unless we tank completely, but I think we need to see drastic improvement from now to the end of the year, and I think we need a Sweet 16 next year.

Nice punt.

Thanks. Now you can revert back to your usual hysterics. Sorry to interrupt.

(11-28-2014 02:56 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:35 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  We definitely have some work to do. If we can get the Tigers from the 1st half of last nights game we'll be pretty solid.

EVERY team...even the worst can have a rationale like that.

Take UTk. They were waxed by VCU but were tied 62-all with KU and 6 minutes to go.

Kansas then rolled them out to end the game with a 15 point win.

Should TN fans be discounting the whooping vs. VCU and hanging their hats on playing even with a good team for some portion of a game?

That can be our new measure of how we are. "

Hmmm. We lost to Uconn by 25, BUT we outscored them 11-9 in a 5 minute stretch in the first half. I see continued improvement."

Your statement would make a little bit of sense if we didn't have a single guard who played a single minute in a D1 game last year. Your statement would also make sense if we didn't have 10 new players. Your statement would make a little bit of sense if we didn't have so many injuries.

Do you know what a ceiling is? Are you able to differentiate between the ceiling for a team with so many new parts compared to a veteran team that has played together for a long time?

more excuses.. whose fault is it that we don't have guards with playing time- JPs. Remember, he was going to roll with his 3 sr guards full time regardless.

.

(11-28-2014 02:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:35 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  We definitely have some work to do. If we can get the Tigers from the 1st half of last nights game we'll be pretty solid.

EVERY team...even the worst can have a rationale like that.

Take UTk. They were waxed by VCU but were tied 62-all with KU and 6 minutes to go.

Kansas then rolled them out to end the game with a 15 point win.

Should TN fans be discounting the whooping vs. VCU and hanging their hats on playing even with a good team for some portion of a game?

That can be our new measure of how we are.

"Hmmm. We lost to Uconn by 25, BUT we outscored them 11-9 in a 5 minute stretch in the first half. I see continued improvement."

How about you read the rest of my post and you'll see my rationale... I clearly do not defend anything. Nice try though.

Also I don't give a **** about Tennessee, Kansas, VCU and so on. I don't know why posters use OTHER teams to try and make points.

Just in case you can't find it here is the rest of my post that followed the ONE sentence you quoted.

"We simply stopped doing what was working. Josh doesn't need to emphasize going inside over and over and over again. That's all the team was looking for. They did a great job in the first half of mixing it up, being patient and looking for good shots. Some of the ball movement was incredible. They passed the ball around, hit open shots, dished inside when it was there. It looked good.

Then the 2nd half started with a bunch of foul calls against us, Tigers came out and played from behind the rest of the game and fell apart. The ball movement disappeared, we seemed to be trying to force it inside a lot which led to bad turnovers and then we started taking bad shots. The thing I did see was that this team definitely has potential. They just need to stay composed.

The season definitely isn't over we're 1-2. We'll be 2-2 after tonight. We need to come back home focused and work on some glaring issues. The defense hasn't been horrible this season until last night. Baylor had about 8 wide open threes that they hit and about 5 that they missed. They had wide open midrange shots and a few open 2 footers. The guys have got to close out. That has been the same for a few seasons now.

I don't know why the coaching staff doesn't seem to trust the 4/5's but our 3 should not be double teaming a post player on an inbounds pass especially when 00 had already hit 1-2 threes on us. It ended up happening 4-5 times. That was disgusting."

(11-28-2014 02:59 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:35 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  We definitely have some work to do. If we can get the Tigers from the 1st half of last nights game we'll be pretty solid.

EVERY team...even the worst can have a rationale like that.

Take UTk. They were waxed by VCU but were tied 62-all with KU and 6 minutes to go.

Kansas then rolled them out to end the game with a 15 point win.

Should TN fans be discounting the whooping vs. VCU and hanging their hats on playing even with a good team for some portion of a game?

That can be our new measure of how we are.

"Hmmm. We lost to Uconn by 25, BUT we outscored them 11-9 in a 5 minute stretch in the first half. I see continued improvement."

How about you read the rest of my post and you'll see my rationale... I clearly do not defend anything. Nice try though.

Also I don't give a **** about Tennessee, Kansas, VCU and so on. I don't know why posters use OTHER teams to try and make points.

Just in case you can't find it here is the rest of my post that followed the ONE sentence you quoted.

"We simply stopped doing what was working. Josh doesn't need to emphasize going inside over and over and over again. That's all the team was looking for. They did a great job in the first half of mixing it up, being patient and looking for good shots. Some of the ball movement was incredible. They passed the ball around, hit open shots, dished inside when it was there. It looked good.

Then the 2nd half started with a bunch of foul calls against us, Tigers came out and played from behind the rest of the game and fell apart. The ball movement disappeared, we seemed to be trying to force it inside a lot which led to bad turnovers and then we started taking bad shots. The thing I did see was that this team definitely has potential. They just need to stay composed.

The season definitely isn't over we're 1-2. We'll be 2-2 after tonight. We need to come back home focused and work on some glaring issues. The defense hasn't been horrible this season until last night. Baylor had about 8 wide open threes that they hit and about 5 that they missed. They had wide open midrange shots and a few open 2 footers. The guys have got to close out. That has been the same for a few seasons now.

I don't know why the coaching staff doesn't seem to trust the 4/5's but our 3 should not be double teaming a post player on an inbounds pass especially when 00 had already hit 1-2 threes on us. It ended up happening 4-5 times. That was disgusting."

my bad. I just used that quote because it had been a common theme today.too many people are hanging their hats on short spurts of productivity and trying to believe it will last for an entire game.have a good weekend.

(11-28-2014 02:45 PM)danny1 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 01:43 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:51 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

Wow, unable to use a screwdriver? Damn.

The financial issue has been addressed by myself and others. All the Mensa candidates clamoring for Pastner's dismissal 4 games into the season are not thinking it through.

Basically, the final numbers come to about $23-25mm to pay off Pastner through 2019 and hire the next coach to a similar four year deal. Since the same deep pocket donors also cover Fuente, I include about $8mm for his new deal that is certainly on the immediate horizon.

Thus, my estimated total outlay to cover ALL of these coaching salaries is approximately $33mm.

A lot of posters are quick to spend other folks' money to effect the changes the posters deem necessary (but can't or won't contribute to).

I personally think Pastner can go to the NIT this year and be back next year. But the big boosters will make that decision after the season is completed.

Time will tell, folks. Let's see how the season plays out.

I'm sure you are all buddy buddy with all these folks doe. You always have all the answers.

What's with all your "doe, doe, doe" responses? They make about as much sense as the rest of your posts.

Are you going to the football game tomorrow? Come to F199 and I will explain the whole "doe"'phenomenon

Do it doe

(11-28-2014 02:26 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Ask at the end of the year.

Right now...we want to beat Indiana State. Today, that matters more than anything.

That's a fair statement, Mimi.

(11-28-2014 03:48 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  Do it doe

Doe and snicker are hated yet some terms such as Pope, TAMMS, SCTF, BFS and Poptarts are badges of courage on here.

Comical

I like oldmangrizz doe

(11-28-2014 02:33 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:51 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

Wow, unable to use a screwdriver? Damn.

The financial issue has been addressed by myself and others. All the Mensa candidates clamoring for Pastner's dismissal 4 games into the season are not thinking it through.

Basically, the final numbers come to about $23-25mm to pay off Pastner through 2019 and hire the next coach to a similar four year deal. Since the same deep pocket donors also cover Fuente, I include about $8mm for his new deal that is certainly on the immediate horizon.

Thus, my estimated total outlay to cover ALL of these coaching salaries is approximately $33mm.

A lot of posters are quick to spend other folks' money to effect the changes the posters deem necessary (but can't or won't contribute to).

I personally think Pastner can go to the NIT this year and be back next year. But the big boosters will make that decision after the season is completed.

Time will tell, folks. Let's see how the season plays out.

Your numbers on the "buyout" are wrong if you claim it to be any more than $7.95 million.

I keep forgetting you're a lawyer, so I suspect you're right and everyone else is wrong, LOL.

Can you fill me in on how I can fly down to the Miami Beach Bowl for three days for $350 and NOT sleep in my rental or camp out on the beach? Much obliged, Atticus.