(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

I do tax work for two big time Arkansas boosters... Just some quick facts.
A.) They have disposable money that the average person, even most wealthy people, cannot comprehend.
B.) They do not structure contracts in ways that will ultimately tie their hands down the road.
C.) We (me included) have no idea what all really goes into hiring and firing coaches. I have gotten small tidbits on some of the stuff that occurred with the last two Arkansas hires and these guys are just on a different planet financially. The means they go through to hide who they are interviewing and who they are seriously going after (often not the same person) is unbelievable. And like I said, I only get small tidbits of information after the fact, I would love to get a full story on of these high profile hires.

It is always funny to me that the same people who talk about how smart our boosters are and that we should trust them and so one also think they were too dumb to structure Pastner's contract in a way that would prevent them from buying it out at any point they felt necessary. He may be around next year, but it will not be because the big guys could not come up with the funds to send him packing...

I think Pastner is here for the next two years at least. That's a lot of money. I'm hoping for a turnaround but I think this will be a long season.

(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

Wow, unable to use a screwdriver? Damn.

The financial issue has been addressed by myself and others. All the Mensa candidates clamoring for Pastner's dismissal 4 games into the season are not thinking it through.

Basically, the final numbers come to about $23-25mm to pay off Pastner through 2019 and hire the next coach to a similar four year deal. Since the same deep pocket donors also cover Fuente, I include about $8mm for his new deal that is certainly on the immediate horizon.

Thus, my estimated total outlay to cover ALL of these coaching salaries is approximately $33mm.

A lot of posters are quick to spend other folks' money to effect the changes the posters deem necessary (but can't or won't contribute to).

I personally think Pastner can go to the NIT this year and be back next year. But the big boosters will make that decision after the season is completed.

Time will tell, folks. Let's see how the season plays out.

(11-28-2014 12:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:13 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:06 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:59 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  ...He certainly has this year and probably the next.

He gets 1 bad year. Back to back bad years (NIT or worse) will do the trick...

Year 1 - Bad. Gets a pass for obvious reasons
Year 2 - Mediocre. Still got a pass for the most part
Year 3 - Mediocre.
Year 4 - Mediocre.
Year 5 - Mediocre
Year 6 - Bad. No more passes, it is time to go.

He is "rebuilding" from a one NCAA tournament win team. That is just not good enough. Nice guy, but mediocre to bad coach.

Hard not to laugh when mediocre posters call two seasons that ended with us being ranked; as mediocre. Funny.

Actually only one year did we end up ranked in the FINAL poll.

(11-28-2014 12:33 PM)Chirs Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

Yeah, because you are far too sophisticated and nuanced in your fanhood for us rubes to grasp. You seem like an arrogant little fella.

Heaven forbid us common folk want to get rid of a bad coach so we can get a better one.

Why are you getting all upset? Learn how to put up a basketball goal and then tell us who the next coach should be.

(11-28-2014 12:51 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

Wow, unable to use a screwdriver? Damn.

The financial issue has been addressed by myself and others. All the Mensa candidates clamoring for Pastner's dismissal 4 games into the season are not thinking it through.

Basically, the final numbers come to about $23-25mm to pay off Pastner through 2019 and hire the next coach to a similar four year deal. Since the same deep pocket donors also cover Fuente, I include about $8mm for his new deal that is certainly on the immediate horizon.

Thus, my estimated total outlay to cover ALL of these coaching salaries is approximately $33mm.

A lot of posters are quick to spend other folks' money to effect the changes the posters deem necessary (but can't or won't contribute to).

I personally think Pastner can go to the NIT this year and be back next year. But the big boosters will make that decision after the season is completed.

Time will tell, folks. Let's see how the season plays out.

Saluki said that you could fly out to Florida and vacation in style for $350. He's the guy to talk to if you want to get the number down from $33 million.

(11-28-2014 12:51 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

Wow, unable to use a screwdriver? Damn.

The financial issue has been addressed by myself and others. All the Mensa candidates clamoring for Pastner's dismissal 4 games into the season are not thinking it through.

Basically, the final numbers come to about $23-25mm to pay off Pastner through 2019 and hire the next coach to a similar four year deal. Since the same deep pocket donors also cover Fuente, I include about $8mm for his new deal that is certainly on the immediate horizon.

Thus, my estimated total outlay to cover ALL of these coaching salaries is approximately $33mm.

A lot of posters are quick to spend other folks' money to effect the changes the posters deem necessary (but can't or won't contribute to).

I personally think Pastner can go to the NIT this year and be back next year. But the big boosters will make that decision after the season is completed.

Time will tell, folks. Let's see how the season plays out.

I'm sure you are all buddy buddy with all these folks doe. You always have all the answers.

(11-28-2014 01:41 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:51 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

Wow, unable to use a screwdriver? Damn.

The financial issue has been addressed by myself and others. All the Mensa candidates clamoring for Pastner's dismissal 4 games into the season are not thinking it through.

Basically, the final numbers come to about $23-25mm to pay off Pastner through 2019 and hire the next coach to a similar four year deal. Since the same deep pocket donors also cover Fuente, I include about $8mm for his new deal that is certainly on the immediate horizon.

Thus, my estimated total outlay to cover ALL of these coaching salaries is approximately $33mm.

A lot of posters are quick to spend other folks' money to effect the changes the posters deem necessary (but can't or won't contribute to).

I personally think Pastner can go to the NIT this year and be back next year. But the big boosters will make that decision after the season is completed.

Time will tell, folks. Let's see how the season plays out.

Saluki said that you could fly out to Florida and vacation in style for $350. He's the guy to talk to if you want to get the number down from $33 million.

Pastner's buyout is roughly $5 million.

(11-28-2014 01:43 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:51 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

Wow, unable to use a screwdriver? Damn.

The financial issue has been addressed by myself and others. All the Mensa candidates clamoring for Pastner's dismissal 4 games into the season are not thinking it through.

Basically, the final numbers come to about $23-25mm to pay off Pastner through 2019 and hire the next coach to a similar four year deal. Since the same deep pocket donors also cover Fuente, I include about $8mm for his new deal that is certainly on the immediate horizon.

Thus, my estimated total outlay to cover ALL of these coaching salaries is approximately $33mm.

A lot of posters are quick to spend other folks' money to effect the changes the posters deem necessary (but can't or won't contribute to).

I personally think Pastner can go to the NIT this year and be back next year. But the big boosters will make that decision after the season is completed.

Time will tell, folks. Let's see how the season plays out.

I'm sure you are all buddy buddy with all these folks doe. You always have all the answers.

He is buddies with math and logic. You should try and hook up with them every now and then.

(11-28-2014 12:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:13 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:06 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:59 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  ...He certainly has this year and probably the next.

He gets 1 bad year. Back to back bad years (NIT or worse) will do the trick...

Year 1 - Bad. Gets a pass for obvious reasons
Year 2 - Mediocre. Still got a pass for the most part
Year 3 - Mediocre.
Year 4 - Mediocre.
Year 5 - Mediocre
Year 6 - Bad. No more passes, it is time to go.

He is "rebuilding" from a one NCAA tournament win team. That is just not good enough. Nice guy, but mediocre to bad coach.

Hard not to laugh when mediocre posters call two seasons that ended with us being ranked; as mediocre. Funny.

So, being ranked at season end is the standard of a good season? Perfect, since he has only been ranked at the end of 33% of seasons coached... Gee, thanks for making my point.

(11-28-2014 01:48 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:13 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:06 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:59 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  ...He certainly has this year and probably the next.

He gets 1 bad year. Back to back bad years (NIT or worse) will do the trick...

Year 1 - Bad. Gets a pass for obvious reasons
Year 2 - Mediocre. Still got a pass for the most part
Year 3 - Mediocre.
Year 4 - Mediocre.
Year 5 - Mediocre
Year 6 - Bad. No more passes, it is time to go.

He is "rebuilding" from a one NCAA tournament win team. That is just not good enough. Nice guy, but mediocre to bad coach.

Hard not to laugh when mediocre posters call two seasons that ended with us being ranked; as mediocre. Funny.

So, being ranked at season end is the standard of a good season? Perfect, since he has only been ranked at the end of 33% of seasons coached... Gee, thanks for making my point.

You said he has had no good seasons. Try breathing out of your nose before you post.

(11-28-2014 01:54 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 01:48 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:13 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:06 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  He gets 1 bad year. Back to back bad years (NIT or worse) will do the trick...

Year 1 - Bad. Gets a pass for obvious reasons
Year 2 - Mediocre. Still got a pass for the most part
Year 3 - Mediocre.
Year 4 - Mediocre.
Year 5 - Mediocre
Year 6 - Bad. No more passes, it is time to go.

He is "rebuilding" from a one NCAA tournament win team. That is just not good enough. Nice guy, but mediocre to bad coach.

Hard not to laugh when mediocre posters call two seasons that ended with us being ranked; as mediocre. Funny.

So, being ranked at season end is the standard of a good season? Perfect, since he has only been ranked at the end of 33% of seasons coached... Gee, thanks for making my point.

You said he has had no good seasons. Try breathing out of your nose before you post.

Simply being ranked at season end is not my standard of good, that is your self proclaimed standard. And by your own standard he has only been good in 33% of the seasons. Try formulating a rational argument instead of throwing petty shots at me. So, please go ahead and justify why a coach only being good 33% of the time should be kept.

(11-28-2014 12:13 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:06 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:59 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  ...He certainly has this year and probably the next.

He gets 1 bad year. Back to back bad years (NIT or worse) will do the trick...

Year 1 - Bad. Gets a pass for obvious reasons
Year 2 - Mediocre. Still got a pass for the most part
Year 3 - Mediocre.
Year 4 - Mediocre.
Year 5 - Mediocre
Year 6 - Bad. No more passes, it is time to go.

He is "rebuilding" from a one NCAA tournament win team. That is just not good enough. Nice guy, but mediocre to bad coach.

Criticisms of the coach is not trolling. Give some valid pints behind them and it makes sense.

The above is indeed trolling...so I will do the same. Labeling even year one as bad is silly, let alone four consecutive NCAA tourney teams as mediocre...and you know that.

If the point is, being good but short of great has played itself out, and there are legitimate worries that this season's start is difficult and it is likely good is a ceiling...then that makes sense. Some will disagree, some will not.

But we have simply not been mediocre.

Kids play tonight...wallow or pull for a win.

A 31-win season was "mediocre?" Who knew?

(11-28-2014 01:59 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 01:54 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 01:48 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:13 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  Year 1 - Bad. Gets a pass for obvious reasons
Year 2 - Mediocre. Still got a pass for the most part
Year 3 - Mediocre.
Year 4 - Mediocre.
Year 5 - Mediocre
Year 6 - Bad. No more passes, it is time to go.

He is "rebuilding" from a one NCAA tournament win team. That is just not good enough. Nice guy, but mediocre to bad coach.

Hard not to laugh when mediocre posters call two seasons that ended with us being ranked; as mediocre. Funny.

So, being ranked at season end is the standard of a good season? Perfect, since he has only been ranked at the end of 33% of seasons coached... Gee, thanks for making my point.

You said he has had no good seasons. Try breathing out of your nose before you post.

Simply being ranked at season end is not my standard of good, that is your self proclaimed standard. And by your own standard he has only been good in 33% of the seasons. Try formulating a rational argument instead of throwing petty shots at me. So, please go ahead and justify why a coach only being good 33% of the time should be kept.

Quote:Simply being ranked at season end is not my standard of good

You have issues that need to be sorted out. You said he hasn't had any good seasons.

(11-28-2014 02:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  A 31-win season was "mediocre?" Who knew?

Apparently, so is making the NCAA tournament and supposedly winning a game in the NCAA tournament. Buddy has his standards.

Very early criticisms of the program:

The young inexperienced guards appeared more lost than expected in the exhibition and against WSU. It is on Pastner to have them more ready...even if some struggles were expected. He also erred THIS SEASON in playing WSU and Baylor early. This would have been a good year to start with several soft opponents...CBU jokes aside...to allow for Pookie and company to develop before facing tougher opponents.

Shaquille has regressed at the start of the year. As with any player who regresses, some of that is on the coach (although players who improve then must have some of that on the coach as well) but in his case, it seems more on him. There is no Joe Jackson to kick around anymore, so Shaquille, if he is going to be considered elite, must step it up.

Less so as applied to Nichols, as he has played better, but not better enough. Some of his struggles come from the guard passing errors, some of it is on him being a step slow or hesitant. Yet that is a finer point criticism as he has overall played well enough...although if given the Joe treatment, that would not be the case.

It is very bad that Johnson has looked poor in both the exhibition and the two games he played. Stunning really. From seeing him play at Vandy, the expectation was he would be close to Jackson. He has not been, he does look out of shape still, and that has hurt early.

Mentally, Pastner needs to get better dealing with these kids. He had them very resilient last season, beating a lot of really good opponents, making late game comebacks, road wins and revenge against OK State. But there is an issue where he is clearly falling short. A few too many scores get lopsided after a haymaker is thrown. The sequence last night...back to back threes by ONeal, back to back open misses by Woodson should not have caused the entire team to wilt. It did. Stop the gimmicks...like no names on jerseys, and get into some asses about allowing too many big runs.

Big man aggressiveness needs to be worked on. We have a Junior and two sophomores at the bigs...they were out toughed last night...a few times embarrassingly for them. Nichols is a big kid, as is Shaquille...play like it matters more.

Team does play like they know mistakes will result in being pulled, and being battered by the pretty unsupportive fanbase. They need to be above that, but it does not help. Nor does labeling a team that was a tourney lock last season, advanced in the tourney, won a pre season tourney with a win over top ten full strength OK State, beat Louisville twice, etc...as mediocre.

THIS year may be mediocre. We do not know. My suspicion is this will be like 04-05, with lower expectations heading in. That team was expected to be elite...coach lost control of Banks and even really good players were blown out too often. Still played well at times. Expect that this year, elite level next year. If you cannot wait for that, or suspect we will finish this season with a record of 10-20 or the like, bash away.

Know it hurts the program though. A very different point than whether the team is struggling now...not just the newcomers but more distressingly, Nichols and Shaquille.

Stammers you made a fantastic post a week ago about letting the season play out and evaluate and make necessary changes then. It was a great post. Reasonable and logical.
Do you think Josh is the guy for this job?

Ask at the end of the year.

Right now...we want to beat Indiana State. Today, that matters more than anything.

(11-28-2014 12:51 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:23 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Why waste your breath? The ones who want Josh gone can't grasp using a screwdriver to put a basketball goal up much less the reasons why the money might not be there to buy him out. Oh, one other thing. Don't ever embarrass them with the fact that they won't help buy him out. That gets you called names and labeled not a hardcore fan.

Wow, unable to use a screwdriver? Damn.

The financial issue has been addressed by myself and others. All the Mensa candidates clamoring for Pastner's dismissal 4 games into the season are not thinking it through.

Basically, the final numbers come to about $23-25mm to pay off Pastner through 2019 and hire the next coach to a similar four year deal. Since the same deep pocket donors also cover Fuente, I include about $8mm for his new deal that is certainly on the immediate horizon.

Thus, my estimated total outlay to cover ALL of these coaching salaries is approximately $33mm.

A lot of posters are quick to spend other folks' money to effect the changes the posters deem necessary (but can't or won't contribute to).

I personally think Pastner can go to the NIT this year and be back next year. But the big boosters will make that decision after the season is completed.

Time will tell, folks. Let's see how the season plays out.

Your numbers on the "buyout" are wrong if you claim it to be any more than $7.95 million.