Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Realistically; who are we going to get? Here are the only sort of big times jobs that may be open.

Indiana - Tom Creane
Texas - Rick Barnes
Oklahoma State - Travis Ford
Alabama - Anthony Grant
Vandy - Kevin Stallings
USC - Frank Martin

Strangely enough, I think that Frank Martin would have a shot at doing well here and would listen. The usual suspects - Brad Stevens, Shaka Smart, Bruce Pearl, Scott Drew are not happening. I suppose we will be able to nab a hot assistant or a coach from a mid major, but that takes a bad turn more often than a good one.

(11-28-2014 11:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Realistically; who are we going to get? Here are the only sort of big times jobs that may be open.

Indiana - Tom Creane
Texas - Rick Barnes
Oklahoma State - Travis Ford
Alabama - Anthony Grant
Vandy - Kevin Stallings
USC - Frank Martin

Strangely enough, I think that Frank Martin would have a shot at doing well here and would listen. The usual suspects - Brad Stevens, Shaka Smart, Bruce Pearl, Scott Drew are not happening. I suppose we will be able to nab a hot assistant or a coach from a mid major, but that takes a bad turn more often than a good one.

The search committee did a nice job with the Fuente hire. RC had simply run out of options when he caught JP on his way to Kentucky.

(11-28-2014 11:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Realistically; who are we going to get? Here are the only sort of big times jobs that may be open.

Indiana - Tom Creane
Texas - Rick Barnes
Oklahoma State - Travis Ford
Alabama - Anthony Grant
Vandy - Kevin Stallings
USC - Frank Martin

Strangely enough, I think that Frank Martin would have a shot at doing well here and would listen. The usual suspects - Brad Stevens, Shaka Smart, Bruce Pearl, Scott Drew are not happening. I suppose we will be able to nab a hot assistant or a coach from a mid major, but that takes a bad turn more often than a good one.

I think there are coaches whose resume at their current school don't accurately reflect the level of coach they are - good & bad.

There are guys Memphis could get that can COACH and given the resources available at a place like Memphis...they'd probably succeed. They'd be a better fit, which is what I think Josh's flaw is

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Of course not. We're just blowing off steam.

It's just basketball. It's not that important. The really important sport is up and running now. We good.

(11-28-2014 12:02 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Realistically; who are we going to get? Here are the only sort of big times jobs that may be open.

Indiana - Tom Creane
Texas - Rick Barnes
Oklahoma State - Travis Ford
Alabama - Anthony Grant
Vandy - Kevin Stallings
USC - Frank Martin

Strangely enough, I think that Frank Martin would have a shot at doing well here and would listen. The usual suspects - Brad Stevens, Shaka Smart, Bruce Pearl, Scott Drew are not happening. I suppose we will be able to nab a hot assistant or a coach from a mid major, but that takes a bad turn more often than a good one.

The search committee did a nice job with the Fuente hire. RC had simply run out of options when he caught JP on his way to Kentucky.

Some folks seem to forget all of this. Maybe Josh takes an opening. Sadly I'm afraid there won't be any more of those.

(11-28-2014 12:02 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:45 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Do you really want Josh gone?

Do really think there is any chance of his being fired this year?

If he is fired, where does the money come from?
keep in mind we are about to double our coaching expense in football, have a $40,000,000 building campaign, we are also looking for 10-30million for the rumored conference move up...

Realistically; who are we going to get? Here are the only sort of big times jobs that may be open.

Indiana - Tom Creane
Texas - Rick Barnes
Oklahoma State - Travis Ford
Alabama - Anthony Grant
Vandy - Kevin Stallings
USC - Frank Martin

Strangely enough, I think that Frank Martin would have a shot at doing well here and would listen. The usual suspects - Brad Stevens, Shaka Smart, Bruce Pearl, Scott Drew are not happening. I suppose we will be able to nab a hot assistant or a coach from a mid major, but that takes a bad turn more often than a good one.

The search committee did a nice job with the Fuente hire. RC had simply run out of options when he caught JP on his way to Kentucky.

A lot of people here seem to think that great available coaches grow on trees.

Arkansas - Stan Heath
Arkansas - Dana Altman
Arkansas - John Pelphrey
Missouri - Frank Haith
Tennessee - Donny Tyndall
NC State - Mark Gottfried
UConn - Kevin Ollie
Marquette - Buzz Williams
UNC - Matt Doherty
Wake Forest - Dino Gaudio
Maryland - Bob Wade
Maryland - Mark Turgeon
UNLV - Bill Bayno
UNLV - Dave Rice
UMass - Bruiser Flint
Georgetown - Craig Esherick
NC State - Les Robinson
NC State - Herb Sendek
NC State - Sidney Lowe
NC State - Mark Gottfried

And the list goes on and on. Some here are going to go hysterical over my inclusion of Kevin Ollie on the list. Ollie turned out to be an incredible hire; but the point is, that even a great program like UConn was forced to hire a coach with no D1 experience.

Even really good programs have a hard time attracting very good coaches. The very good coaches have a tendency to not get fired, or stay where they are.

I love that argument. Since some programs sometimes make bad hires, we should shut up and be happy with our mediocre, underachieving coach. And btw, pay the mediocre, underachieving coach more than Jim Boeheim and Roy Williams.

(11-28-2014 12:29 PM)Chirs Wrote:  I love that argument. Since some programs sometimes make bad hires, we should shut up and be happy with our mediocre, underachieving coach. And btw, pay the mediocre, underachieving coach more than Jim Boeheim and Roy Williams.

I love your argument; which is to go into hysterics about wanting him fired with no clue how hard it is to find a good coach to replace him.

(11-28-2014 12:29 PM)Chirs Wrote:  I love that argument. Since some programs sometimes make bad hires, we should shut up and be happy with our mediocre, underachieving coach. And btw, pay the mediocre, underachieving coach more than Jim Boeheim and Roy Williams.

Simply amazing ain't it? It's too bad Tic didn't get caught with Chenoa and this board wasn't around back then. Some on here would be telling us to have patience

(11-28-2014 12:29 PM)Chirs Wrote:  I love that argument. Since some programs sometimes make bad hires, we should shut up and be happy with our mediocre, underachieving coach. And btw, pay the mediocre, underachieving coach more than Jim Boeheim and Roy Williams.

So you feel like paying his buyout, and covering the next coaches salary?

(11-28-2014 12:56 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 12:29 PM)Chirs Wrote:  I love that argument. Since some programs sometimes make bad hires, we should shut up and be happy with our mediocre, underachieving coach. And btw, pay the mediocre, underachieving coach more than Jim Boeheim and Roy Williams.

So you feel like paying his buyout, and covering the next coaches salary?

The people actually paying his buyout approved his contract and are well aware of what those dollars are.

I think it is safe to say the Boosters learned their lesson a few years ago...namely, football > basketball. Period. Full stop. Pastner we likely be around a few more years because as odd as this is for Memphis, Fuente's success is so much more important than Pastner's lack of success. Basketball recovers quickly. One or two recruits and you are decent. Football takes a lot longer. No one is happy about Pastner's performance, but it is not a big picture issue.

(11-28-2014 01:10 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  I think it is safe to say the Boosters learned their lesson a few years ago...namely, football > basketball. Period. Full stop. Pastner we likely be around a few more years because as odd as this is for Memphis, Fuente's success is so much more important than Pastner's lack of success. Basketball recovers quickly. One or two recruits and you are decent. Football takes a lot longer. No one is happy about Pastner's performance, but it is not a big picture issue.

It's a huge big picture issue. Basketball has always and still drives the ship. Period. Sure, in a perfect world football is the bell cow but not here at the moment. You have to protect that. And the boosters will protect that.

(11-28-2014 01:12 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 01:10 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  I think it is safe to say the Boosters learned their lesson a few years ago...namely, football > basketball. Period. Full stop. Pastner we likely be around a few more years because as odd as this is for Memphis, Fuente's success is so much more important than Pastner's lack of success. Basketball recovers quickly. One or two recruits and you are decent. Football takes a lot longer. No one is happy about Pastner's performance, but it is not a big picture issue.

It's a huge big picture issue. Basketball has always and still drives the ship. Period. Sure, in a perfect world football is the bell cow but not here at the moment. You have to protect that. And the boosters will protect that.

Not big picture, In that we can take a hit and bounce back much quicker. Being as good as it gets in basketball still did nothing for either us or Kansas is the previous round of realignment. The NCAA tournament is not the big picture, the BIGXII is the big picture. And whether we are currently good at basketball is not an issue we have proven multiple times over the program's history that we CAN be very good at basketball. It is all about football now and that will protect Pastner.

Stammers said it well in a post after the Wichita State game.

Everyone is going to get what they want this year. This season, we are going to find out FOR SURE whether or not Josh can coach.

If he takes this team to the NCAA tournament then he can coach.

(11-28-2014 01:23 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Stammers said it well in a post after the Wichita State game.

Everyone is going to get what they want this year. This season, we are going to find out FOR SURE whether or not Josh can coach.

If he takes this team to the NCAA tournament then he can coach.

I've been saying that for years.

(11-28-2014 01:25 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 01:23 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Stammers said it well in a post after the Wichita State game.

Everyone is going to get what they want this year. This season, we are going to find out FOR SURE whether or not Josh can coach.

If he takes this team to the NCAA tournament then he can coach.

I've been saying that for years.

This team THIS year....

(11-28-2014 01:12 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 01:10 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote:  I think it is safe to say the Boosters learned their lesson a few years ago...namely, football > basketball. Period. Full stop. Pastner we likely be around a few more years because as odd as this is for Memphis, Fuente's success is so much more important than Pastner's lack of success. Basketball recovers quickly. One or two recruits and you are decent. Football takes a lot longer. No one is happy about Pastner's performance, but it is not a big picture issue.

It's a huge big picture issue. Basketball has always and still drives the ship. Period. Sure, in a perfect world football is the bell cow but not here at the moment. You have to protect that. And the boosters will protect that.

I'm sorry, but the comment about basketball driving the ship truly exposes your fundamental ignorance.

President Rudd, AD Bowen, and the deep pockets boosters are VERY MUCH AWARE of the major importance of MEMPHIS having a successful football program. That is a huge focus right now.

Basketball is an afterthought. It is secondary.

And it isn't close.

If you don't believe me, go ask Kansas how much their storied basketball program counted in 2010 when the PAC10 went hard after Texas and others in the B12. It took some serious scrambling to keep the B12 together.

(11-28-2014 01:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 01:25 PM)Rob Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 01:23 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Stammers said it well in a post after the Wichita State game.

Everyone is going to get what they want this year. This season, we are going to find out FOR SURE whether or not Josh can coach.

If he takes this team to the NCAA tournament then he can coach.

I've been saying that for years.

This team THIS year....

That's what I'm talking about...