(11-28-2014 03:09 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 03:06 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:55 AM)450bench Wrote:  Hell, I hate to say this but I'd don't care enough to listen anymore. I hate to say this too but Josh's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard. I'm fighting apathy and that's horrible.

I am too and I hate it. I've always supported Pastner, but I think change would be good for all involved.

You sound like a very, very nice and reasonable person
This unreasonable, hot headed Italian agrees with you wholeheartedly.

Haha....I'm Italian too. I've also got what I call the Italian temper.

(11-28-2014 03:11 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 03:09 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 03:06 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:55 AM)450bench Wrote:  Hell, I hate to say this but I'd don't care enough to listen anymore. I hate to say this too but Josh's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard. I'm fighting apathy and that's horrible.

I am too and I hate it. I've always supported Pastner, but I think change would be good for all involved.

You sound like a very, very nice and reasonable person
This unreasonable, hot headed Italian agrees with you wholeheartedly.

Haha....I'm Italian too. I've also got what I call the Italian temper.

(11-28-2014 03:14 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 03:11 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 03:09 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 03:06 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:55 AM)450bench Wrote:  Hell, I hate to say this but I'd don't care enough to listen anymore. I hate to say this too but Josh's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard. I'm fighting apathy and that's horrible.

I am too and I hate it. I've always supported Pastner, but I think change would be good for all involved.

You sound like a very, very nice and reasonable person
This unreasonable, hot headed Italian agrees with you wholeheartedly.

Haha....I'm Italian too. I've also got what I call the Italian temper.

I'll drink to that.

(11-28-2014 02:55 AM)450bench Wrote:  Hell, I hate to say this but I'd don't care enough to listen anymore. I hate to say this too but Josh's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard. I'm fighting apathy and that's horrible.

I've been this way for a while. When he comes on any sports talk show, I either turn it down or change the channel. Its just a kick to the stomach to see what this program has become.

But I did win some $$ on the Wichita game and last night.

I hate that we've come to this point. I've been a JP fan all along and still admire him immensely as a person but I'm starring to question his impact on the program. It's not like we didn't know we were losing our PG's last season or that we've needed a true big for years now. I hope he can right the ship because I do admire his integrity. It's not looking like he has what it takes as an X's and O's coach yet though and he's had plenty of time to hone that key aspect of his skill set. I dare say Cal or someone like Dana Kirk would have had this team firing on all cylinders by now. I'm not sure if it's time for him to move on but it is time to stop avoiding that conversation.

(11-28-2014 03:00 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:58 AM)alcalde Wrote:  We made shots in the 1st half. In the 2nd half we just didn't make shots

Baylor has really good players, they are really well coached and they run good stuff.

This is a process. We will get better.

Winning is not a birthright.

Time for some course correction

CoMe gIt U sOmE Indiana St!!!

I hope we beat Indiana State. I have several friends who went there and I really don't want to listen to their crap.

(11-28-2014 02:58 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  I just don't understand why our D sucks so freaking bad. Its like our guys have never fought through a screen before. They just hit the screener and stop and act like they're trying to run through a brick wall.

Every time you don't understand something about our basketball program, just remember this:

Josh Pastner.

That tells you all you need to know.

Everything else is irrelevant.

Folks. It's just basketball. No need to get this riled up.
The really important sport is up and running,
so we can stop hanging our hat on an "also ran" like basketball.
I mean, we did that with our 11 racquetball NCs, and look what that got us...
Zilch.

(11-28-2014 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I dare say Cal or someone like Dana Kirk would have had this team firing on all cylinders by now.

Nov & Dec of '07 with Derrick Rose playing wild would beg to differ.

(11-28-2014 01:57 PM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I dare say Cal or someone like Dana Kirk would have had this team firing on all cylinders by now.

Nov & Dec of '07 with Derrick Rose playing wild would beg to differ.

You mean on the 38-2 team that went to the national championship game? The team ranked number 1 in the country in Nov. and Dec.?

(11-28-2014 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I hate that we've come to this point. I've been a JP fan all along and still admire him immensely as a person but I'm starring to question his impact on the program. It's not like we didn't know we were losing our PG's last season or that we've needed a true big for years now. I hope he can right the ship because I do admire his integrity. It's not looking like he has what it takes as an X's and O's coach yet though and he's had plenty of time to hone that key aspect of his skill set. I dare say Cal or someone like Dana Kirk would have had this team firing on all cylinders by now. I'm not sure if it's time for him to move on but it is time to stop avoiding that conversation.

Agree 100%

(11-28-2014 01:57 PM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I dare say Cal or someone like Dana Kirk would have had this team firing on all cylinders by now.

Nov & Dec of '07 with Derrick Rose playing wild would beg to differ.

Are you serious?

(11-28-2014 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I hate that we've come to this point. I've been a JP fan all along and still admire him immensely as a person but I'm starring to question his impact on the program. It's not like we didn't know we were losing our PG's last season or that we've needed a true big for years now. I hope he can right the ship because I do admire his integrity. It's not looking like he has what it takes as an X's and O's coach yet though and he's had plenty of time to hone that key aspect of his skill set. I dare say Cal or someone like Dana Kirk would have had this team firing on all cylinders by now. I'm not sure if it's time for him to move on but it is time to stop avoiding that conversation.

What an outstanding post

(11-28-2014 02:08 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I hate that we've come to this point. I've been a JP fan all along and still admire him immensely as a person but I'm starring to question his impact on the program. It's not like we didn't know we were losing our PG's last season or that we've needed a true big for years now. I hope he can right the ship because I do admire his integrity. It's not looking like he has what it takes as an X's and O's coach yet though and he's had plenty of time to hone that key aspect of his skill set. I dare say Cal or someone like Dana Kirk would have had this team firing on all cylinders by now. I'm not sure if it's time for him to move on but it is time to stop avoiding that conversation.

Agree 100%

I have talked to coaches whose kids who went to his camp who came away thinking wtf when pastner discussed his defensive system. They said they have never heard anything like it

(11-28-2014 02:17 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:08 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I hate that we've come to this point. I've been a JP fan all along and still admire him immensely as a person but I'm starring to question his impact on the program. It's not like we didn't know we were losing our PG's last season or that we've needed a true big for years now. I hope he can right the ship because I do admire his integrity. It's not looking like he has what it takes as an X's and O's coach yet though and he's had plenty of time to hone that key aspect of his skill set. I dare say Cal or someone like Dana Kirk would have had this team firing on all cylinders by now. I'm not sure if it's time for him to move on but it is time to stop avoiding that conversation.

Agree 100%

I have talked to coaches whose kids who went to his camp who came away thinking wtf when pastner discussed his defensive system. They said they have never heard anything like it

He has no defensive system.

(11-28-2014 02:17 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 02:08 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I hate that we've come to this point. I've been a JP fan all along and still admire him immensely as a person but I'm starring to question his impact on the program. It's not like we didn't know we were losing our PG's last season or that we've needed a true big for years now. I hope he can right the ship because I do admire his integrity. It's not looking like he has what it takes as an X's and O's coach yet though and he's had plenty of time to hone that key aspect of his skill set. I dare say Cal or someone like Dana Kirk would have had this team firing on all cylinders by now. I'm not sure if it's time for him to move on but it is time to stop avoiding that conversation.

Agree 100%

I have talked to coaches whose kids who went to his camp who came away thinking wtf when pastner discussed his defensive system. They said they have never heard anything like it

I have been trying to figure out our defense for years. That used to be staple and huge part of our team.

(11-28-2014 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I hate that we've come to this point. I've been a JP fan all along and still admire him immensely as a person but I'm starring to question his impact on the program. It's not like we didn't know we were losing our PG's last season or that we've needed a true big for years now. I hope he can right the ship because I do admire his integrity. It's not looking like he has what it takes as an X's and O's coach yet though and he's had plenty of time to hone that key aspect of his skill set. I dare say Cal or someone like Dana Kirk would have had this team firing on all cylinders by now. I'm not sure if it's time for him to move on but it is time to stop avoiding that conversation.

Not sure about all cylinders 4 games in. Kirk used to whole sale substitute when the starting 5 would get lazy or disengaged. Cal made the team stay home from Thanksgiving several years and we used to say "wait until Camp Cal." The difference is we had enough talent to over come bad games. Rose took half a year to become the polished player the one year he was here despite incredible talent.

The issue is going to be keeping this team together while they struggle.

(11-28-2014 02:58 AM)alcalde Wrote:  We made shots in the 1st half. In the 2nd half we just didn't make shots

Baylor has really good players, they are really well coached and they run good stuff.

This is a process. We will get better.

Winning is not a birthright.

In other words, the same old sh!t. The man is clueless.