(11-25-2014 12:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:20 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  We need blacks to trust that cops aren't out to kill them and also cops need to trust that not all blacks are criminals.

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Now that we recognize that, how do we get from where we're at to the desired result?

Diversity in law enforcement is a good start. It doesn't help that Ferguson 's police force was something like 95% white.

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So now you want to select people for jobs based on their race?

It's turning in on itself.

It's amazing how some folks are against racism until they are for it.

(11-25-2014 01:01 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:20 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  We need blacks to trust that cops aren't out to kill them and also cops need to trust that not all blacks are criminals.

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Now that we recognize that, how do we get from where we're at to the desired result?

Diversity in law enforcement is a good start. It doesn't help that Ferguson 's police force was something like 95% white.

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So now you want to select people for jobs based on their race?

It's turning in on itself.

It's amazing how some folks are FOR racism until they are AGAINST it.

FIFY

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(11-25-2014 12:47 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  20 years is a career in law enforcement. Ferguson could have hired blacks to keep up with the changes in demographic

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Slightly disagree. What it boils down to is how many African Americans are going to the academy and such.

Not only that, but according the the St Louis County official site you must:

be a high school graduate with 1 yr prior police service or 2 years military service as well as an Associates Degree or minimum of 64 semester hours from an accredited university or college.

be free of a conviction of a felony or Class "A" misdemeanor.

Weight be in proportion to height of department standards

vision be 20/200 minimum correctable to 20/20.


I'm guessing #1 would eliminate at ton of potential candidates.

(11-25-2014 12:52 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:47 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  20 years is a career in law enforcement. Ferguson could have hired blacks to keep up with the changes in demographic

Slightly disagree. What it boils down to is how many African Americans are going to the academy and such.

Who knows. Still, they could have anticipated the changes in demographics and made appropriate accommodations

Like what?

(11-25-2014 01:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  If people didn't hire based upon factors other than who is the most qualified there would have never been any need for affirmative action.

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Do you know what affirmative is/does? And, doesn't race-based hiring policies force employers to hire based on factors other than "who is the most qualified" in order to satisfy quotas?

(11-25-2014 01:06 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:47 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  20 years is a career in law enforcement. Ferguson could have hired blacks to keep up with the changes in demographic

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Slightly disagree. What it boils down to is how many African Americans are going to the academy and such.

Not only that, but according the the St Louis County official site you must:

be a high school graduate with 1 yr prior police service or 2 years military service as well as an Associates Degree or minimum of 64 semester hours from an accredited university or college.

be free of a conviction of a felony or Class "A" misdemeanor.

Weight be in proportion to height of department standards

vision be 20/200 minimum correctable to 20/20.


I'm guessing #1 would eliminate at ton of potential candidates.

I'm sure there are plenty of black cops in St. LOUIS.

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(11-25-2014 12:58 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  We also need to take into account, from a black man's perspective, that when a black cop arrests a black man, they fear being called a sellout to their race or an Uncle Tom. I'm sure lots of black guys think about that.

trust me.....as I expound the 'perverse' upon the handful of impoverished blacks that have an open mind to what matters and how to achieve a better life.....that is easily a true statement.

changing the psyche of a culture is a very difficult thing.....

all last night did was set them back in the minds of those in control.....

There's that culture word again.

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(11-25-2014 01:13 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  There's that culture word again.

Everybody has a certain culture they live by.

(11-25-2014 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:06 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:47 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  20 years is a career in law enforcement. Ferguson could have hired blacks to keep up with the changes in demographic

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Slightly disagree. What it boils down to is how many African Americans are going to the academy and such.

Not only that, but according the the St Louis County official site you must:

be a high school graduate with 1 yr prior police service or 2 years military service as well as an Associates Degree or minimum of 64 semester hours from an accredited university or college.

be free of a conviction of a felony or Class "A" misdemeanor.

Weight be in proportion to height of department standards

vision be 20/200 minimum correctable to 20/20.


I'm guessing #1 would eliminate at ton of potential candidates.

I'm sure there are plenty of black cops in St. LOUIS.

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According to the St.Louis Post-Dispatch

Quote:While areas patrolled by St. Louis County Police are about 25 percent black, 10 percent of the county police force is black.

(11-25-2014 01:13 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  There's that culture word again.

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Yeah and...?

(11-25-2014 01:16 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:13 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  There's that culture word again.

Everybody has a certain culture they live by.

I think the left calls that a "dog whistle". You can't just speak freely around those people. Oh no..that's another one.

I just find it interesting how much people use the word culture as if their situation is something other than economic.

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(11-25-2014 01:10 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:06 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:47 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  20 years is a career in law enforcement. Ferguson could have hired blacks to keep up with the changes in demographic

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Slightly disagree. What it boils down to is how many African Americans are going to the academy and such.

Not only that, but according the the St Louis County official site you must:

be a high school graduate with 1 yr prior police service or 2 years military service as well as an Associates Degree or minimum of 64 semester hours from an accredited university or college.

be free of a conviction of a felony or Class "A" misdemeanor.

Weight be in proportion to height of department standards

vision be 20/200 minimum correctable to 20/20.


I'm guessing #1 would eliminate at ton of potential candidates.

I'm sure there are plenty of black cops in St. LOUIS.

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I'm sure there are, but probably not in the quota percentages you desire.

Are you advocating that every census, the police force race percentages are adjusted to match those of the community?


Local Mayor:
"Lets see here, well, you 6 whiteys are fired as of tomorrow, the city's demographics have changed. Who are the next 6 black candidates regardless of qualifications, we need 6 more blacks by next week!!" "Demographic patterns have consequences!!"

(11-25-2014 01:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I just find it interesting how much people use the word culture as if their situation is something other than economic.

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....me tinks dat waz da point....it's always about the coin.....flying over your head again....it's just too easy...

(11-25-2014 01:18 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:16 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:13 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  There's that culture word again.

Everybody has a certain culture they live by.

I think the left calls that a "dog whistle". You can't just speak freely around those people. Oh no..that's another one.

I'M TELLIN!

(11-25-2014 01:05 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:01 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:20 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Now that we recognize that, how do we get from where we're at to the desired result?

Diversity in law enforcement is a good start. It doesn't help that Ferguson 's police force was something like 95% white.

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So now you want to select people for jobs based on their race?

It's turning in on itself.

It's amazing how some folks are against racism until they are for it.

FIFY

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FIBFY

Demographic patterns do have consequences. It's the reason why we have a race problem in this county in the first place.

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(11-25-2014 01:23 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:18 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:16 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:13 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  There's that culture word again.

Everybody has a certain culture they live by.

I think the left calls that a "dog whistle". You can't just speak freely around those people. Oh no..that's another one.

I'M TELLIN!

At least no one is lecturing me on my white, middleclass upbringing....again.

(11-25-2014 01:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I just find it interesting how much people use the word culture as if their situation is something other than economic.

Did you know that there is a certain culture in Thailand that some people live by where they can't even hug you unless you're their mother, father, sibling, or husband/wife? It has nothing to do with economics.