This may sound sore-loserish(it that's a word) of me, but we're never going to have depth as long as we're in the Sun Belt. Us having a strong start, and then just being flat at the second half of the season has happened at least three times over the past decade. We can't have consistency if we're always two injuries away from a shell team. Recruits will be much more inclined to come to A-State if we are in a conference that is perceived as better in football. Fans have been getting frustrated ever since Idaho, and we need to make major moves before the new schools in the conference lapse us.

(11-21-2014 08:29 AM)gostAte870 Wrote:  This may sound sore-loserish(it that's a word) of me, but we're never going to have depth as long as we're in the Sun Belt. Us having a strong start, and then just being flat at the second half of the season has happened at least three times over the past decade. We can't have consistency if we're always two injuries away from a shell team. Recruits will be much more inclined to come to A-State if we are in a conference that is perceived as better in football. Fans have been getting frustrated ever since Idaho, and we need to make major moves before the new schools in the conference lapse us.

That ship has already sailed. The Sun Belt brought in 2 programs with rich history and a great fan base. Ark State future is to catch up, not keep pace!

ugh.... smdh

seriously GS fans. shut up. they know about our history because we have talked about it in every thread. This is an ark state thread.

(11-21-2014 08:29 AM)gostAte870 Wrote:  This may sound sore-loserish(it that's a word) of me, but we're never going to have depth as long as we're in the Sun Belt. Us having a strong start, and then just being flat at the second half of the season has happened at least three times over the past decade. We can't have consistency if we're always two injuries away from a shell team. Recruits will be much more inclined to come to A-State if we are in a conference that is perceived as better in football. Fans have been getting frustrated ever since Idaho, and we need to make major moves before the new schools in the conference lapse us.

If other schools in the conference pass you, then the problem is not the conference.

(11-21-2014 08:46 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 08:29 AM)gostAte870 Wrote:  This may sound sore-loserish(it that's a word) of me, but we're never going to have depth as long as we're in the Sun Belt. Us having a strong start, and then just being flat at the second half of the season has happened at least three times over the past decade. We can't have consistency if we're always two injuries away from a shell team. Recruits will be much more inclined to come to A-State if we are in a conference that is perceived as better in football. Fans have been getting frustrated ever since Idaho, and we need to make major moves before the new schools in the conference lapse us.

That ship has already sailed. The Sun Belt brought in 2 programs with rich history and a great fan base. Ark State future is to catch up, not keep pace!

We've done ok in this conference. Others are doing well in the conference now. The conference is not a reason for our issues this year.

The strong starts and season ending collapses in the last decade were because we would install a new offense, it would go gangbusters until film was available and opponents figured it out....we would never adjust....offensive production would fall off. Resulting in season ending collapse. Steve Roberts.

Same type thing with our weird defense this year. Once ULL figured it out it was open season on our defense. We did not adjust....probably because we didn't have the personnel to do anything else. Hopefully because we didn't have the personnel.

App State and Georgia Southern are just starting and the Fun Belt will be even tougher.

Or maybe, just maybe you finally got it wrong on the biggest recruit of all, the coach. The fact that you you got 3 in a row right is impressive, eventually the odds turn against you to get one wrong. If Florida can get it wrong, so can stAte...so can anyone. There is just something about Anderson that bothers me, and before any of you say it... He coached here and bothered me then as well.

(11-21-2014 08:29 AM)gostAte870 Wrote:  This may sound sore-loserish(it that's a word) of me, but we're never going to have depth as long as we're in the Sun Belt. Us having a strong start, and then just being flat at the second half of the season has happened at least three times over the past decade. We can't have consistency if we're always two injuries away from a shell team. Recruits will be much more inclined to come to A-State if we are in a conference that is perceived as better in football. Fans have been getting frustrated ever since Idaho, and we need to make major moves before the new schools in the conference lapse us.

Or you need some coaching stability. You haven't had that in half a decade. When you have 5 different philosophies on the type of players you need in a offensive/defensive system, then the waters get really muddy. Also, although no one wants to admit it, a lot of players commit to a coach, not a school. If that coach leaves, you will have attrition. It happens.

The results of your season this year are a result of a series of events coming home to roost. One is the coaching mayhem you've had. Compound the personnel issues that resulted from that with injuries and you have a grab bag of players out there.

Also, let's be honest. The strong starts are only from the last few years. Looking historically, there's been plenty of slow or average starts. The level of success ya'll have had since 2011 is a bit of an outlier, not the norm. Nothing says you can't keep it up, but it's not like it's old hat either.

(11-21-2014 09:06 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  ugh.... smdh

seriously GS fans. shut up. they know about our history because we have talked about it in every thread. This is an ark state thread.

And you are so right. It seems that almost every thread turns into a pissing match/chest thumping with some Georgia Southern fans the instigator.

Back on topic, I'm hoping stAte gets some consistency withing their staff. They have done well considering the changes that have taken place over the years. Coaching change, after coaching change, after coaching change, especially in consecutive years is not conducive to a strong program. It will catch up.

(11-21-2014 02:58 AM)stAteNation Wrote:  Injuries are part of the game. This is the hand we were dealt. It is what it is. Nobody is going to feel sorry for us.

I feel for you.

Everyone has injuries. Not everyone gets completely snakebit, though.

We were certainly there last year. And I realize you have the coaching attrition, but we had our HC and OC experimenting with different things on offense and running a different offense in season that was run in spring and fall practice.

(11-21-2014 09:07 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 08:46 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 08:29 AM)gostAte870 Wrote:  This may sound sore-loserish(it that's a word) of me, but we're never going to have depth as long as we're in the Sun Belt. Us having a strong start, and then just being flat at the second half of the season has happened at least three times over the past decade. We can't have consistency if we're always two injuries away from a shell team. Recruits will be much more inclined to come to A-State if we are in a conference that is perceived as better in football. Fans have been getting frustrated ever since Idaho, and we need to make major moves before the new schools in the conference lapse us.

That ship has already sailed. The Sun Belt brought in 2 programs with rich history and a great fan base. Ark State future is to catch up, not keep pace!

We've done ok in this conference. Others are doing well in the conference now. The conference is not a reason for our issues this year.

The strong starts and season ending collapses in the last decade were because we would install a new offense, it would go gangbusters until film was available and opponents figured it out....we would never adjust....offensive production would fall off. Resulting in season ending collapse. Steve Roberts.

Same type thing with our weird defense this year. Once ULL figured it out it was open season on our defense. We did not adjust....probably because we didn't have the personnel to do anything else. Hopefully because we didn't have the personnel.

App State and Georgia Southern are just starting and the Fun Belt will be even tougher.

Well said....and I welcome a tougher Sunbelt. At our level and in this day and time, conference affiliation has less and less to do with the success of individual programs.....contrast LaTech...lousy last year....to the UNTs this year.

I think the key is to hire a dynamic coach who motivates the team, his coaching staff, the administration, and the fanbase and then figure out how to hold on to him for more than a year.

(11-21-2014 08:46 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 08:29 AM)gostAte870 Wrote:  This may sound sore-loserish(it that's a word) of me, but we're never going to have depth as long as we're in the Sun Belt. Us having a strong start, and then just being flat at the second half of the season has happened at least three times over the past decade. We can't have consistency if we're always two injuries away from a shell team. Recruits will be much more inclined to come to A-State if we are in a conference that is perceived as better in football. Fans have been getting frustrated ever since Idaho, and we need to make major moves before the new schools in the conference lapse us.

That ship has already sailed. The Sun Belt brought in 2 programs with rich history and a great fan base. Ark State future is to catch up, not keep pace!

Keep an eye on this guy. I smell a "Poe".

(11-21-2014 02:17 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  what happens to a college football team when they go through 5 coaching changes in a 5 year span, and then lose 19 players from their original 2 deep to season ending injuries... Just watch Arkansas State play for a few minutes

I feel bad for our Seniors. You just cant overcome all of this combined.

I can't imagine any college football program has been faced with this circumstance, ever.

Actually, it's pretty amazing that they had such a great run considering. It had to hit a stumbling point in success and recruting with all of of the turnover eventually. And add in the fact that the current coach is by far the weakest of the group, probably didn't help.

That guy didn't have a great reputation when he was the OC at UL either.

Always appreciate the program and glad to be in the conference with them still, can't say the same for some of the others, especially an unnamed newcomer with the most insufferable fans.

ASU is going to be fine. Not many programs can change staff's as much as you have and still remain competitive. That says alot about your program.

(11-21-2014 09:28 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  Always appreciate the program and glad to be in the conference with them still, can't say the same for some of the others, especially an unnamed newcomer with the most insufferable fans.

This will not get better until some people realize that there is a small minority of our fans that are the ones you're using as a basis to paint a broad picture of our fanbase.

We have several that do the same thing with your fans.

The thing is, there's truth in what both of our fanbases say, however much the other doesn't want to believe it. But people need to get better at recognizing the trolls and which fans are actually contributing to the community here. Yes there is a time for smack talk as well, but there's a lot of good discussion by both sides that gets covered by the cluster**** that has developed here in recent weeks.

Let's get beyond this.

(11-21-2014 09:34 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:28 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  Always appreciate the program and glad to be in the conference with them still, can't say the same for some of the others, especially an unnamed newcomer with the most insufferable fans.

This will not get better until some people realize that there is a small minority of our fans that are the ones you're using as a basis to paint a broad picture of our fanbase.

We have several that do the same thing with your fans.

The thing is, there's truth in what both of our fanbases say, however much the other doesn't want to believe it. But people need to get better at recognizing the trolls and which fans are actually contributing to the community here. Yes there is a time for smack talk as well, but there's a lot of good discussion by both sides that gets covered by the cluster**** that has developed here in recent weeks.

Let's get beyond this.

+1

There are fans on both sides that butt into discussions they are not a part of just for the sake of being a douche.

(11-21-2014 09:34 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:28 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  Always appreciate the program and glad to be in the conference with them still, can't say the same for some of the others, especially an unnamed newcomer with the most insufferable fans.

This will not get better until some people realize that there is a small minority of our fans that are the ones you're using as a basis to paint a broad picture of our fanbase.

We have several that do the same thing with your fans.

The thing is, there's truth in what both of our fanbases say, however much the other doesn't want to believe it. But people need to get better at recognizing the trolls and which fans are actually contributing to the community here. Yes there is a time for smack talk as well, but there's a lot of good discussion by both sides that gets covered by the cluster**** that has developed here in recent weeks.

Let's get beyond this.

Maybe something like a Game Program with a list of each of them would be helpful for the rest of us because there seem to be so many. At time it appears every thread eventually turns into a I'm GaSouthern, look at me type thread. It gets tiresome.

(11-21-2014 09:36 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:34 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:28 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  Always appreciate the program and glad to be in the conference with them still, can't say the same for some of the others, especially an unnamed newcomer with the most insufferable fans.

This will not get better until some people realize that there is a small minority of our fans that are the ones you're using as a basis to paint a broad picture of our fanbase.

We have several that do the same thing with your fans.

The thing is, there's truth in what both of our fanbases say, however much the other doesn't want to believe it. But people need to get better at recognizing the trolls and which fans are actually contributing to the community here. Yes there is a time for smack talk as well, but there's a lot of good discussion by both sides that gets covered by the cluster**** that has developed here in recent weeks.

Let's get beyond this.

+1

There are fans on ALL sides that butt into discussions they are not a part of just for the sake of being a douche.

I'd like to offer a friendly amendment. Our two fan bases get a lot of blame for a couple of people but if you look closely, incendiaries are thrown by others as well. Usually with the purpose of one of us (UL or GS) getting mad at the other.

We have some pretty level headed fans. It's the extremes that make us look bad

(11-21-2014 09:40 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:34 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:28 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  Always appreciate the program and glad to be in the conference with them still, can't say the same for some of the others, especially an unnamed newcomer with the most insufferable fans.

This will not get better until some people realize that there is a small minority of our fans that are the ones you're using as a basis to paint a broad picture of our fanbase.

We have several that do the same thing with your fans.

The thing is, there's truth in what both of our fanbases say, however much the other doesn't want to believe it. But people need to get better at recognizing the trolls and which fans are actually contributing to the community here. Yes there is a time for smack talk as well, but there's a lot of good discussion by both sides that gets covered by the cluster**** that has developed here in recent weeks.

Let's get beyond this.

Maybe something like a Game Program with a list of each of them would be helpful for the rest of us because there seem to be so many. At time it appears every thread eventually turns into a I'm GaSouthern, look at me type thread. It gets tiresome.

We weren't held as babies.

(11-21-2014 09:44 AM)SBEagle Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:40 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:34 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:28 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  Always appreciate the program and glad to be in the conference with them still, can't say the same for some of the others, especially an unnamed newcomer with the most insufferable fans.

This will not get better until some people realize that there is a small minority of our fans that are the ones you're using as a basis to paint a broad picture of our fanbase.

We have several that do the same thing with your fans.

The thing is, there's truth in what both of our fanbases say, however much the other doesn't want to believe it. But people need to get better at recognizing the trolls and which fans are actually contributing to the community here. Yes there is a time for smack talk as well, but there's a lot of good discussion by both sides that gets covered by the cluster**** that has developed here in recent weeks.

Let's get beyond this.

Maybe something like a Game Program with a list of each of them would be helpful for the rest of us because there seem to be so many. At time it appears every thread eventually turns into a I'm GaSouthern, look at me type thread. It gets tiresome.

We weren't held as babies.

Now that's the attitude I like.