(11-19-2014 03:24 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 03:06 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 03:03 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  I admit, I was a little freaked out when I started reading this thread. What! Root for Toledo?

But after running through each scenario, I realize the Toledo-BGSU game means nothing as far as NIU's chances of going to Detroit are concerned. There is no back door for the Huskies. They either beat WMU and go to Detroit, or lose to WMU, and someone else goes. Who else? Depends on Toledo-BGSU. Let CMU and WMU worry about that.

BG has already secured their spot in Detroit, so there is not much Toledo can do to harm them except win their rivalry trophy, and reduce demand for BG from an at-large spot in a bowl game. Lost demand for BG would be picked up by Toledo.

I am not going to root for injuries, so the only other stake I can see in taking sides in the Toledo-BGSU game would be to cheer for Toledo as fellow members of the MAC West. Division superiority.

A Toledo win knocks WMU out of the race.

Well Toledo could lose to BGSU AND EMU and WMU still be in the MACC if they win the last 2.

A Toledo win vs BGSU and WMU loss to CMU knocks the Broncos out of the MACC.

Regardless of WMU's MCC eligibility, I still expect to see a fully motivated WMU team next week. Even if they have no shot at the MCC, they can still play spoiler, and boost their bowl invite resume.

I still remember 2006, when an eliminated Huskie team unleashed some 31-10 whupass on a Championship bound CMU team. It may have been just what the Huskies needed to get invited to the Poinsettia Bowl.

(11-20-2014 01:01 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 03:24 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 03:06 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 03:03 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  I admit, I was a little freaked out when I started reading this thread. What! Root for Toledo?

But after running through each scenario, I realize the Toledo-BGSU game means nothing as far as NIU's chances of going to Detroit are concerned. There is no back door for the Huskies. They either beat WMU and go to Detroit, or lose to WMU, and someone else goes. Who else? Depends on Toledo-BGSU. Let CMU and WMU worry about that.

BG has already secured their spot in Detroit, so there is not much Toledo can do to harm them except win their rivalry trophy, and reduce demand for BG from an at-large spot in a bowl game. Lost demand for BG would be picked up by Toledo.

I am not going to root for injuries, so the only other stake I can see in taking sides in the Toledo-BGSU game would be to cheer for Toledo as fellow members of the MAC West. Division superiority.

A Toledo win knocks WMU out of the race.

Well Toledo could lose to BGSU AND EMU and WMU still be in the MACC if they win the last 2.

A Toledo win vs BGSU and WMU loss to CMU knocks the Broncos out of the MACC.

Regardless of WMU's MCC eligibility, I still expect to see a fully motivated WMU team next week. Even if they have no shot at the MCC, they can still play spoiler, and boost their bowl invite resume.

As long as they dont go to the MACC I think they will be going to Detroit if its open for the MAC or the Potato bowl if its not.

(11-20-2014 12:25 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 12:12 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 12:11 PM)beachboy Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 11:57 AM)NIU8484 Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 11:36 AM)HuskieRak Wrote:  You think so. But Detroit does weird things to the Huskies

Last year may have been the most dissapointing miserable and not fun sporting event ever...driving up to Detroit smiling ear to ear with thoughts of back to back BCS bowls...then we don't show up and get rolled by BGSU, I wanted to just get in the car and drive home from Detroit at 11pm....I think I forced myself into a coma by pounding 3 coney dogs and a couple beers and went to bed

I don't see how 2013 could've been worse than those of us there in 2005. Having the first MAC title so close, only to blow it, was heartbreaking. But the 2013 MACC was awful to watch on TV.

2010 was MUCH worse than 2013. BGSU was the better team that day. Miami just got lucky several times.

Last year sucked don't get me wrong, but I'll take that 100 times out of 100 over the Miami game. We just got our ass handed to us last year. It happens. That Miami game still hurts.

2005 and 2010 hurt because we had both games won and they made miracle plays to kick NIU in the gut. And normally I would take the BG loss over those games 100 out of 100 times, but we were 12-0. No way we're going to lose the MACC last year. And to have all eyes on NIU and we get steamrolled was embarrassing.

2005 was emotionally devastating. No one deserved a MAC title more than Joe Novak and Garrett Wolfe. Had we completed a 4th-quarter pass two more yards we would've had a first down and run out the clock. Plus, English was injured, which killed our pass rush, allowing Akron to pick apart our defensive secondary. Never want to be inside Ford Field again.

2010 never should've happened (NIU blew a pair of sure TD passes) and 2013 was plain embarassing. 2011 was one of our greatest-ever wins. 2012 was more of a relief that we won.

(11-20-2014 12:59 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 12:58 PM)NIU8484 Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 12:12 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 12:11 PM)beachboy Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 11:57 AM)NIU8484 Wrote:  Last year may have been the most dissapointing miserable and not fun sporting event ever...driving up to Detroit smiling ear to ear with thoughts of back to back BCS bowls...then we don't show up and get rolled by BGSU, I wanted to just get in the car and drive home from Detroit at 11pm....I think I forced myself into a coma by pounding 3 coney dogs and a couple beers and went to bed

I don't see how 2013 could've been worse than those of us there in 2005. Having the first MAC title so close, only to blow it, was heartbreaking. But the 2013 MACC was awful to watch on TV.

2010 was MUCH worse than 2013. BGSU was the better team that day. Miami just got lucky several times.

Maybe the 2013 game itself wasn't so bad, but the opportunity cost and the big picture national scene for NIU and the MAC just went into the dumps.. losing the Fiesta Bowl and the #15 ranking just suxed so hard...

That secondary vs. Baylor last year would have been a disaster. It would have been way worse than FSU unless Lynch was going to put up a 50 spot.

I think that would have been crazy high scoring.

IIRC, Bortles torched them on the read option and QB runs. Yes, Lynh wasn't the best at the read but he was a hell of a runner. I thought Baylor sucked on D last year and was happy to be in a BCS game. UCF was there to win.

(11-20-2014 01:16 PM)beachboy Wrote:  2005 was emotionally devastating. No one deserved a MAC title more than Joe Novak and Garrett Wolfe. Had we completed a 4th-quarter pass two more yards we would've had a first down and run out the clock. Plus, English was injured, which killed our pass rush, allowing Akron to pick apart our defensive secondary. Never want to be inside Ford Field again.

2010 never should've happened (NIU blew a pair of sure TD passes) and 2013 was plain embarassing. 2011 was one of our greatest-ever wins. 2012 was more of a relief that we won.

+1

That sums up my feelings. 2010 hurt the worst as far as me emotionally . Which also helped make the 2011 win one of the greatest.

We could have just as easily won all 4 of those as lost em all.

(11-20-2014 01:27 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 01:16 PM)beachboy Wrote:  2005 was emotionally devastating. No one deserved a MAC title more than Joe Novak and Garrett Wolfe. Had we completed a 4th-quarter pass two more yards we would've had a first down and run out the clock. Plus, English was injured, which killed our pass rush, allowing Akron to pick apart our defensive secondary. Never want to be inside Ford Field again.

2010 never should've happened (NIU blew a pair of sure TD passes) and 2013 was plain embarassing. 2011 was one of our greatest-ever wins. 2012 was more of a relief that we won.

+1

That sums up my feelings. 2010 hurt the worst as far as me emotionally . Which also helped make the 2011 win one of the greatest.

We could have just as easily won all 4 of those as lost em all.

Akron was really bad for me, freaking deep pass tore my heart out....

(11-20-2014 01:29 PM)MileHighHuskie Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 01:27 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 01:16 PM)beachboy Wrote:  2005 was emotionally devastating. No one deserved a MAC title more than Joe Novak and Garrett Wolfe. Had we completed a 4th-quarter pass two more yards we would've had a first down and run out the clock. Plus, English was injured, which killed our pass rush, allowing Akron to pick apart our defensive secondary. Never want to be inside Ford Field again.

2010 never should've happened (NIU blew a pair of sure TD passes) and 2013 was plain embarassing. 2011 was one of our greatest-ever wins. 2012 was more of a relief that we won.

+1

That sums up my feelings. 2010 hurt the worst as far as me emotionally . Which also helped make the 2011 win one of the greatest.

We could have just as easily won all 4 of those as lost em all.

Akron was really bad for me, freaking deep pass tore my heart out....

Yeah I agree, I remember heading to the shower when we were up to get ready for the night and coming back into my frat room as that happened....ruined the night

Plus the Akron game was the winner was the only one going bowling because Toledo was already selected.
Lose the Championship and post season play hurt a ton that night.

I remember the 2012 game against KSU feeling that NIU was so vastly superior to KSU. I know they were predicted as the BCS buster and not NIU, but I was kinda shocked the game was close. To me it looke dlike NIU was a lot better but they kinda let KSU back into the game.

NIU would not have beaten FSU in a million years, but they did a lot better than KSU. That game would have been 41-0 at half.

(11-20-2014 02:31 PM)george14 Wrote:  I remember the 2012 game against KSU feeling that NIU was so vastly superior to KSU. I know they were predicted as the BCS buster and not NIU, but I was kinda shocked the game was close. To me it looke dlike NIU was a lot better but they kinda let KSU back into the game.

NIU would not have beaten FSU in a million years, but they did a lot better than KSU. That game would have been 41-0 at half.

This is so spot on. I've said it to many friends and a few kent fans and they were pissed.

If you look at the stats, and the talent they were so outmatched by NIU. They scored like 17 points off turnovers/short field because of the thrnover.

The Mac was graced by kent not winning that game.

(11-20-2014 02:34 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  This is so spot on. I've said it to many friends and a few kent fans and they were pissed.

If you look at the stats, and the talent they were so outmatched by NIU. They scored like 17 points off turnovers/short field because of the thrnover.

The Mac was graced by kent not winning that game.

KSU did have the marquee win in beating #18 Rutgers, who ended 9-4. But they also got hammered by Kentucky who went 2-10.

I'm not saying NIU deserved to be in a BCS game, they didn't really beat anyone and they lost to a 4-8 Iowa team. But they rattled off 12 straight wins and I would think a rematch with Iowa would end in a decisive NIU victory. If you win 12 straight you will find yourself ranked high. And they did beat #18 KSU for whatever that was worth.

They were handily beaten, but against FSU they were down 17-10 and were driving until I think Lynch threw a pick. Granted, they would have lost anyway but they played FSU well. Probably better than most MAC teams in history would have.

(11-20-2014 02:34 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 02:31 PM)george14 Wrote:  I remember the 2012 game against KSU feeling that NIU was so vastly superior to KSU. I know they were predicted as the BCS buster and not NIU, but I was kinda shocked the game was close. To me it looke dlike NIU was a lot better but they kinda let KSU back into the game.

NIU would not have beaten FSU in a million years, but they did a lot better than KSU. That game would have been 41-0 at half.

This is so spot on. I've said it to many friends and a few kent fans and they were pissed.

If you look at the stats, and the talent they were so outmatched by NIU. They scored like 17 points off turnovers/short field because of the thrnover.

The Mac was graced by kent not winning that game.

NIU WAS way better than Kent State. NIU outgained Kent 524-260. Kent had less than 100 yards of offense going into the 4th quarter too. It shouldn't have been that close if it wasn't for the AJ fumble on the punt and then the Lynch/Akeem fumble.

The biggest joke of that game is the fact NIU was so physically superrior and better than Kent State and somehow Kent State didn't get flagged ONE TIME in a double OT game.

(11-20-2014 02:43 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 02:34 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 02:31 PM)george14 Wrote:  I remember the 2012 game against KSU feeling that NIU was so vastly superior to KSU. I know they were predicted as the BCS buster and not NIU, but I was kinda shocked the game was close. To me it looke dlike NIU was a lot better but they kinda let KSU back into the game.

NIU would not have beaten FSU in a million years, but they did a lot better than KSU. That game would have been 41-0 at half.

This is so spot on. I've said it to many friends and a few kent fans and they were pissed.

If you look at the stats, and the talent they were so outmatched by NIU. They scored like 17 points off turnovers/short field because of the thrnover.

The Mac was graced by kent not winning that game.

NIU WAS way better than Kent State. NIU outgained Kent 524-260. Kent had less than 100 yards of offense going into the 4th quarter too. It shouldn't have been that close if it wasn't for the AJ fumble on the punt and then the Lynch/Akeem fumble.

The biggest joke of that game is the fact NIU was so physically superrior and better than Kent State and somehow Kent State didn't get flagged ONE TIME in a double OT game.

Two of their TDs were clear holding calls as well. Absolute joke.

(11-20-2014 02:43 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 02:34 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 02:31 PM)george14 Wrote:  I remember the 2012 game against KSU feeling that NIU was so vastly superior to KSU. I know they were predicted as the BCS buster and not NIU, but I was kinda shocked the game was close. To me it looke dlike NIU was a lot better but they kinda let KSU back into the game.

NIU would not have beaten FSU in a million years, but they did a lot better than KSU. That game would have been 41-0 at half.

This is so spot on. I've said it to many friends and a few kent fans and they were pissed.

If you look at the stats, and the talent they were so outmatched by NIU. They scored like 17 points off turnovers/short field because of the thrnover.

The Mac was graced by kent not winning that game.

NIU WAS way better than Kent State. NIU outgained Kent 524-260. Kent had less than 100 yards of offense going into the 4th quarter too. It shouldn't have been that close if it wasn't for the AJ fumble on the punt and then the Lynch/Akeem fumble.

The biggest joke of that game is the fact NIU was so physically superrior and better than Kent State and somehow Kent State didn't get flagged ONE TIME in a double OT game.

Yes, the lack of penalties was annoying. And the announcers talking up "Cinderella" Kent State was infuriating.

(11-20-2014 02:48 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Two of their TDs were clear holding calls as well. Absolute joke.

I also think that in the back of our minds we went into last years game thinking that the MAC refs were going to give us the kind of calls that Kent St was being given the year before.

BGSU's passing game will be much better inside. I just see a bunch of pass interference calls. I think NIU had a much better chance against Baylor than against FSU. Baylor's defense was no where near as good as Florida St. NIU would have scored a lot against Baylor. We couldn't stop them but they would've struggled to stop the Huskies.

Also, the Baylor players were much closer in size to the NIU guys.

(11-20-2014 11:57 AM)NIU8484 Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 11:36 AM)HuskieRak Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 11:27 AM)NIU8484 Wrote:  Mind you Bowling Green also gave up 265 yds on the ground to Hunt, so I think we'd be able to churn the run game against them...

You think so. But Detroit does weird things to the Huskies

Last year may have been the most dissapointing miserable and not fun sporting event ever...driving up to Detroit smiling ear to ear with thoughts of back to back BCS bowls...then we don't show up and get rolled by BGSU, I wanted to just get in the car and drive home from Detroit at 11pm....I think I forced myself into a coma by pounding 3 coney dogs and a couple beers and went to bed

Me and my roommates road tripped to Detroit for the Miami game...instead of the coney dogs the 4 of us split two bottles of jack. It ended up being a sad, drunken, and eventually nauseating night for us. I can only imagine if bcs implications had been on the line.