(11-03-2014 08:15 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  I proposed in another thread that is now closed (OT) that their be a 4 team playoff of the top 4 G5 teams to crown the Access Bowl game. I still believe that is a great way to eliminate any doubts. The G5 conferences can eliminate championship games if needed or they choose to.

Glad you mentioned this, as I was trying to find your original post referencing this! GREAT IDEA, IMO! I'd love to see this gather steam & come to fruition, and I bet there would be a lot more folks supporting the idea, if it ever did! +1

A playoff for the G5 spot won't happen. Too many extra games. Here's an article on the CFP G5 slot, posted by Dennis Dodd of CBS, today:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ower-teams

It says the committee could do a separate ranking for the G5 slot each week, if nobody is in the top 25, but nobody has asked for one yet. MWC commish said he didn't care about having one.

If nobody wants one, and no G5 team is ranked in the final standings, the committee will simply name the G5 access bowl winner.

For purposes of which G5 school gets the access bowl slot, they will keep on ranking until they get to one of us.

The P5 get 11 of the 12 access spots and the G5 gets one lone spot to fight over.

It's brilliant really. Keeps the G5 at each others throats fighting over one little scrap while they continue to rake in almost all the money.

The joke is on us. As far as they are concerned we are just one big crappy conglomeration.

I sure hope the CFP selection committee doesn't choose Marshall, even if undefeated.

If they do, the American would benefit by following what the SEC did in the BCS era: schedule one good OOC opponent and then line up the rest of the schedule with cupcakes at home.

This way, everyone in the American would likely be at least 3-1 OOC. So, once you start playing the conference schedule, it's pretty easy to get a lot of bowl eligible teams and to produce 2 or 3 10+ win teams.

Think of it - had Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, Temple and UCF only played one decent OOC opponent, but then cruised through 3 other easy wins at home, you would be looking at a bunch of teams that are 3-1 in conference, but 6-2 or 7-1 overall. Down the stretch, you would end up with a couple of 10+ win teams and a couple of 9-win teams. There would be no argument that the American champ takes the G5 Access Bowl bid over an undefeated Sun Belt, MAC, or C-USA team. The only competition would be a MWC team that beat a decent Autonomy 5 opponent.

(11-04-2014 07:56 PM)YNot Wrote:  I sure hope the CFP selection committee doesn't choose Marshall, even if undefeated.

If they do, the American would benefit by following what the SEC did in the BCS era: schedule one good OOC opponent and then line up the rest of the schedule with cupcakes at home.

This way, everyone in the American would likely be at least 3-1 OOC. So, once you start playing the conference schedule, it's pretty easy to get a lot of bowl eligible teams and to produce 2 or 3 10+ win teams.

Think of it - had Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, Temple and UCF only played one decent OOC opponent, but then cruised through 3 other easy wins at home, you would be looking at a bunch of teams that are 3-1 in conference, but 6-2 or 7-1 overall. Down the stretch, you would end up with a couple of 10+ win teams and a couple of 9-win teams. There would be no argument that the American champ takes the G5 Access Bowl bid over an undefeated Sun Belt, MAC, or C-USA team. The only competition would be a MWC team that beat a decent Autonomy 5 opponent.

As I've noted previously, the only time that strength of schedule (or conference) matters is when comparing teams with equal records. So, I'd expect a 11-1 AAC or MWC champ to get the nod over 11-1 champs from the other G5 conferences. However, an 11-1 AAC or MWC champ simply won't get the nod over a 12-0 champ from the other G5 leagues. By the same token, a 1-loss P5 team wouldn't leapfrog over an undefeated P5 team in the CFP rankings, either, regardless of strength of schedule. The P5 and G5 are effectively split into separate rankings. After that, the overall record is still the #1 determining factor within each category, while SOS is more about sorting those with the same records.

(11-05-2014 12:07 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  However, an 11-1 AAC or MWC champ simply won't get the nod over a 12-0 champ from the other G5 leagues.

Then how do you explain East Carolina ranked last week with 1 loss, while undefeated Marshall was unranked?

I believe your statement goes too far, and is therefore incorrect.

(11-05-2014 01:15 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 12:07 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  However, an 11-1 AAC or MWC champ simply won't get the nod over a 12-0 champ from the other G5 leagues.

Then how do you explain East Carolina ranked last week with 1 loss, while undefeated Marshall was unranked?

I believe your statement goes too far, and is therefore incorrect.

Yep. If Marshalls had this run last year, there's no way they would have been ranked higher than either UCF or Louisville. A good loss can look better than another win against a FCS team, especially if you've got a good win or two to back it up.

(11-03-2014 01:35 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  AP poll came out today. No AAC team got a single vote. 12 teams (counting Navy) what an awful year for this league. People can say what they want about ECU, but we beat VT when they were top 15/20 and coming off a win over ohio st. We dropped 70 on a then good UNC, and we lost at a then good SC. ECU has carried the league. only 3 cartel 5 wins for AAC and ECU got 2 of them. We can still go 10-2 and hope CSU and Boise lose 1 more each...Marshall could slip, but an undefeated Marshall still doesn't deserve the access nod over ECU, CSU or Boise.....

Sorry. We were out competing with top 10 teams.....(you know - the kind that are still ranked)

not top 25 teams....

(11-03-2014 09:28 AM)Bull Wrote:  This is not good, as it will give fodder for those P5 folks who want to take away the G5 reserved slot.

UNLESS!!!!!!
The G5 representative curb-stomps their opponent in the Access Bowl.
Think about that.... a 3 loss team from the AAC beating up on a 2 loss P5 team. That would send a message....... if there were those in the media who would open their ears and eyes to receive it.

(11-05-2014 01:15 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 12:07 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  However, an 11-1 AAC or MWC champ simply won't get the nod over a 12-0 champ from the other G5 leagues.

Then how do you explain East Carolina ranked last week with 1 loss, while undefeated Marshall was unranked?

I believe your statement goes too far, and is therefore incorrect.

ECU 2014 vs MArshall 2014 is the absolute best-case 1-loss and worst-case undefeated. ECU played not 1, not 2 but 3 P5s, all of them bowl-eligible in 2013 and one of them from the mighty SEC, a team that finished 11-2 and ranked #4. Meanwhile, MArshall plays a schedule absolutely devastated by realignment, with not only no P5 games but only 1 team in the current Sagarin top 100 (Rice #79).

I think ADCorbett overstates the impossibility of 11-1 to leapfrog 12-0, but not by much.

(11-03-2014 07:49 PM)TripleA Wrote:  A playoff for the G5 spot won't happen. Too many extra games. Here's an article on the CFP G5 slot, posted by Dennis Dodd of CBS, today:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ower-teams

It says the committee could do a separate ranking for the G5 slot each week, if nobody is in the top 25, but nobody has asked for one yet. MWC commish said he didn't care about having one.

If nobody wants one, and no G5 team is ranked in the final standings, the committee will simply name the G5 access bowl winner.

Too many extra games? Really?

We have several on here proposing a 16 team playoff, others 8 teams. How many extra games does FCS play?

The G5 teams really don't need a conference championship game since doesn't generate much money in most cases or national interest. That's an extra game available if they eliminate that game.

(11-05-2014 09:28 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 07:49 PM)TripleA Wrote:  A playoff for the G5 spot won't happen. Too many extra games. Here's an article on the CFP G5 slot, posted by Dennis Dodd of CBS, today:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ower-teams

It says the committee could do a separate ranking for the G5 slot each week, if nobody is in the top 25, but nobody has asked for one yet. MWC commish said he didn't care about having one.

If nobody wants one, and no G5 team is ranked in the final standings, the committee will simply name the G5 access bowl winner.

Too many extra games? Really?

We have several on here proposing a 16 team playoff, others 8 teams. How many extra games does FCS play?

The G5 teams really don't need a conference championship game since doesn't generate much money in most cases or national interest. That's an extra game available if they eliminate that game.

Too many extra games beyond the playoffs, just to get to one access bowl slot. And nobody is dropping 5 CCGs from their TV packages, to make room for a play-in game for the G5 slot that nobody gives a crap about, except us. Not to mention, everybody starting next year is split and scheduled into divisions, so how would you pick a champ to get to this play-in playoff, w/o holding conference championship games?

(11-05-2014 09:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 09:28 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 07:49 PM)TripleA Wrote:  A playoff for the G5 spot won't happen. Too many extra games. Here's an article on the CFP G5 slot, posted by Dennis Dodd of CBS, today:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ower-teams

It says the committee could do a separate ranking for the G5 slot each week, if nobody is in the top 25, but nobody has asked for one yet. MWC commish said he didn't care about having one.

If nobody wants one, and no G5 team is ranked in the final standings, the committee will simply name the G5 access bowl winner.

Too many extra games? Really?

We have several on here proposing a 16 team playoff, others 8 teams. How many extra games does FCS play?

The G5 teams really don't need a conference championship game since doesn't generate much money in most cases or national interest. That's an extra game available if they eliminate that game.

Too many extra games beyond the playoffs, just to get to one access bowl slot. And nobody is dropping 5 CCGs from their TV packages, to make room for a play-in game for the G5 slot that nobody gives a crap about, except us. Not to mention, everybody starting next year is split and scheduled into divisions, so how would you pick a champ to get to this play-in playoff, w/o holding conference championship games?

It's two games! Doesn't seem unreasonable to me. The current committee picking the CFP can pick the 4 worthy teams.

Some, myself included, feel that the 4 team playoff adds more value. Do you really feel the those "championship games" add much to the TV contracts? I'm betting that the teams involved actually lose money playing the games.

(11-05-2014 11:25 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 09:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 09:28 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 07:49 PM)TripleA Wrote:  A playoff for the G5 spot won't happen. Too many extra games. Here's an article on the CFP G5 slot, posted by Dennis Dodd of CBS, today:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ower-teams

It says the committee could do a separate ranking for the G5 slot each week, if nobody is in the top 25, but nobody has asked for one yet. MWC commish said he didn't care about having one.

If nobody wants one, and no G5 team is ranked in the final standings, the committee will simply name the G5 access bowl winner.

Too many extra games? Really?

We have several on here proposing a 16 team playoff, others 8 teams. How many extra games does FCS play?

The G5 teams really don't need a conference championship game since doesn't generate much money in most cases or national interest. That's an extra game available if they eliminate that game.

Too many extra games beyond the playoffs, just to get to one access bowl slot. And nobody is dropping 5 CCGs from their TV packages, to make room for a play-in game for the G5 slot that nobody gives a crap about, except us. Not to mention, everybody starting next year is split and scheduled into divisions, so how would you pick a champ to get to this play-in playoff, w/o holding conference championship games?

It's two games! Doesn't seem unreasonable to me. The current committee picking the CFP can pick the 4 worthy teams.

Some, myself included, feel that the 4 team playoff adds more value. Do you really feel the those "championship games" add much to the TV contracts? I'm betting that the teams involved actually lose money playing the games.

How is it 2 games when you have 5 G5 conference champs? Are you arbitrarily omitting someone? But that's not happening, so I'm not debating it any longer.

IMO, having a G5 playoff for that spot just separates us even more, which a lot of people around hear seem to worry about.

And I would bet those CCGs do add money, especially being played in the home stadium of one participant.

I'm very happy that Memphis schedules tough teams for OOC. Gives us a better idea what kind of team we have, prepares for conference play, and fans enjoy it.

(11-06-2014 12:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 11:25 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  It's two games! Doesn't seem unreasonable to me. The current committee picking the CFP can pick the 4 worthy teams.

Some, myself included, feel that the 4 team playoff adds more value. Do you really feel the those "championship games" add much to the TV contracts? I'm betting that the teams involved actually lose money playing the games.

How is it 2 games when you have 5 G5 conference champs? Are you arbitrarily omitting someone? But that's not happening, so I'm not debating it any longer.

IMO, having a G5 playoff for that spot just separates us even more, which a lot of people around hear seem to worry about.

And I would bet those CCGs do add money, especially being played in the home stadium of one participant.

I guess not since you overlooked the part of my reply saying a 4 team playoff that would be selected by the committee. The 5th team gets left out by the committee. As a matter of fact, who is to say that one G5 conference can't have 2 or 3 teams in the playoff?

I read it. That's why I asked, b/c you left out the 5th champ. Just a terrible idea. Creates more separation from P5 by having a playoff for the access bowl slot. Oh well...

This is a bad start for the G5 and gives the P5 more ammo to separate/exclude the G5. The g5 really needs at least a few programs to step their game up.

(11-06-2014 11:16 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I read it. That's why I asked, b/c you left out the 5th champ. Just a terrible idea. Creates more separation from P5 by having a playoff for the access bowl slot. Oh well...

No different then the play in game for the NCAA tournament. As some have mention on this thread, and other, we have to look in the mirror and realize that there is a separation between G5 and P5, at least this year anyway. As the post above this reply says, some G5 programs have to step up to make everyone take notice.

As it is now, taking the best G5 4 teams and creating a separate playoffs sends a better candidate to the Access Bowl. It would eliminate the SOS argument, which is a valid argument to many.

If Marshall could defeat two G5 teams in a playoff then it would be clear that they are qualified. If they go undefeated and take the Access bowl slot under the current rules, it could and will be argued that they didn't deserve it but backed in anyway.

Nobody in their right mind is going to sanction a 4 team playoff for one access bowl spot, just for the privilege of playing a P5 team in the Fiesta Bowl, for example. On top of that, it widens the separation gap by having G5 teams play each other, something many seem to fear. Just a complete non-starter.

Also, playing 4 teams off doesn't ensure the best rep. Upsets happen.