(11-03-2014 10:57 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

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(10-29-2014 03:49 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 03:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  A cusa team will have to win 25 to 27 games to get an at large bid. That's going to be really tough.

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And that's not true. Quantity of wins is not as important as quality wins. It has been repeated over and over again but simply put, the top teams in CUSA needs to win a couple of quality OOC games and not lose to the bottom level teams in the conference. Do that and CUSA can get multiple bids.

From the schedules I have seen, the opportunity to win some nice OOC games are there for the taking. These programs just have to go out there and win a couple of them.

I disagree. I think the last ten games will be more important than OOC games. Given that we beat eachother up at the end of the season, it's all the excuse they need to keep us a one bid league.

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So what does the last ten games has to do with winning 25-27 games to get an at large bid? Going off your argument, the last ten games would be meaningless if a team hasn't won at least 15 games before that last ten game stretch.

Furthermore, if you have a stronger OOC SOS than your last 10 games the OOC schedule would be just as important if not more than your last ten games. Now, you do have to finish strong down the stretch no doubt. But if you haven't done anything before that the last ten games means squat from an at-large bid perspective.

Finishing strong is really important, but it doesn't matter how strong you finish if you didn't play or beat anyone notable.

Members of the selection committee have said before that how you finish out the season definitely matters, so he's not entirely wrong, but he's not right either.

For multiple bids, the conference needs both top teams to pull off quality wins and avoid bad losses, and for the conference as a whole to finish a little higher in the ratings. Having the 13th rated conference like last year will be a huge black mark on any team's record, giving a lot less leeway for losing to a bad team (which happens to good teams sometimes, it's the nature of the game).

If the conference can get back closer to top 10, that would make a huge difference I think. Part of that is the top teams not cratering OOC (ala Tulsa and their conference killing schedule / 196 OOC rpi) and part of it is the bottom teams climbing out of the basement of division 1. We had 7 teams that were 200+, 4 were 270+ in rpi. That's just a terrible anchor. If those teams can just climb up closer to 200 or so, it improves several measures of teams' strengths (SOS sort of, conference strength overall, potential losses to awful teams, etc.).

Add to this that WKU should be (at least?) top 150 and losing ECU and Tulane who were 200+ last year, and the conference rating has potential to rise quite a bit. There is a danger though of several teams taking big steps back too, hopefully that doesn't cancel out gains in other areas.

Teams with good rpi still get snubbed if they lose late in the year.

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(11-04-2014 12:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Teams with good rpi still get snubbed if they lose late in the year.

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You're stinkin' up the board again. Been drinking or are you too young for that? Gee whiz, you got nothing positive to say?

(11-04-2014 12:35 AM)roundsound Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 12:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Teams with good rpi still get snubbed if they lose late in the year.

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You're stinkin' up the board again. Been drinking or are you too young for that? Gee whiz, you got nothing positive to say?

Wake up to reality. Utep won 23 games last year and didn't even get an NIT invite.

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(11-04-2014 12:57 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 12:35 AM)roundsound Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 12:26 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Teams with good rpi still get snubbed if they lose late in the year.

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You're stinkin' up the board again. Been drinking or are you too young for that? Gee whiz, you got nothing positive to say?

Wake up to reality. Utep won 23 games last year and didn't even get an NIT invite.

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UTEP didn't have a very good RPI last year. It was 95 after the CUSA tournament. In addition UTEP only won 21 games last year as far as RPI goes. There are 3 parts to the equation.
1. OOC strength of schedule and wins
2. RPI- can't have more than 1 or 2 losses outside of the top 100
3. Last 10 games where a team needs to have gone at least 8-2

USM and La. Tech had issues with a couple of these things which kept them out of the NCAA tournament. There is almost no room for error for a team from CUSA, if they want an at large bid.

I think there was one cusa school with a good rpi, and finished well and didn't get in. Southern miss.?

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(11-04-2014 09:38 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think there was one cusa school with a good rpi, and finished well and didn't get in. Southern miss.?

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When your best OOC win is North Dakota State, you're not going to get much respect from the committee.

USM wasn't the first team with a great RPI to be left out for a weak schedule and I'm sure they won't be the last.

(11-04-2014 09:52 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 09:38 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think there was one cusa school with a good rpi, and finished well and didn't get in. Southern miss.?

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When your best OOC win is North Dakota State, you're not going to get much respect from the committee.

USM wasn't the first team with a great RPI to be left out for a weak schedule and I'm sure they won't be the last.

I agree. But even that isn't enough. Utep beat a good team in a preseason tournament, win 23 and didn't even go to the NIT

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(10-24-2014 08:33 PM)Shrack Wrote:  FAU, Marshall, Rice, UTSA have to get out of the gutter if we're going to be decent. CUSA will probably be a bit better this year though then it was last year overall. We lost 220 Tulane, 227 ECU, and 70 Tulsa. Gained 128 WKU.

Marshall WAS out of the gutter.. we had three straight 20 win seasons, made the conference championship, and went to the NIT. We were headed the right direction and then Herrion just let it fall apart faster than I've ever seen anyone let a team fall apart before in my life.

New coach this year and new attitude in Huntington. We won't be great this year. Too big of a hole to dig out of in a year but I do believe that we will be better than we were last year and better than many experts are suggesting.

(11-04-2014 10:13 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 09:52 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 09:38 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think there was one cusa school with a good rpi, and finished well and didn't get in. Southern miss.?

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When your best OOC win is North Dakota State, you're not going to get much respect from the committee.

USM wasn't the first team with a great RPI to be left out for a weak schedule and I'm sure they won't be the last.

I agree. But even that isn't enough. Utep beat a good team in a preseason tournament, win 23 and didn't even go to the NIT

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Their RPI wasn't very good. The committee is going to look at that first. Then look at your body of work. If you're in the 100 range in RPI, you're not going to get considered.

The NIT is pretty hard to get into now that so many autobids get taken up by regular season conference champs that don't win their conference tournament. If you have an RPI much over 75 in a year where a lot of regular season champs lose in the conference tournaments, you're not getting into the NIT either.

It was quite a bit easier before they started giving autobids for the regular season champs that didn't make the NCAA tournament.

(10-29-2014 04:23 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(10-29-2014 03:23 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Didn't we have two 27 win teams left out last year? I'm not sure C-USA will ever be a multi-bid league again.

One had no eye grabbing wins and the other had an RPI in the 60's.

La Tech, WKU, Charlotte, UTEP, and UAB all have very at large worthy OOC schedules this year.

ODU's doesn't really have much in the way of big time opponents, but they do have a lot of solid opponents from top 12 conferences, so I doubt they get USM'd either if they take care of business OOC.

We don't have the team to do it this year.. But Marshall has an at large worthy OOC as well IMO. Too bad this is a rebuilding year under the new coach.. Maybe bball and football should have switched schedules this year lol

The committee has said they don't put as much of an emphasis on how you finish. Any team that finishes really hot, won their conference tourney. So every at large selection is on a one game losing streak at best.(unless it's an ivy leaguer)

The committee has put an emphasis on a couple of things, and they have been very, very consistent with this.

Don't play a crap OOC schedule if you want an at large. This has been proven time and again. Wins in a vacuum mean nothing.

Don't lose to teams outside the top 100. This kinda goes hand and hand with your rpi calculation, but a bunch of sub 100 losses will kill you.

Have a record of at least .500 against the rpi top 50, unless you just load up on these wins.(which won't apply to us). We have a good argument for at larges if our top teams go 2-1, 3-1, even 2-2 against the top 50. We don't when the top 8 teams have 3 of those wins combined.

Play a lot of top 100-150 games. These help your rpi to begin with, and they don't crush it if you lose. Plus, top 100 wins are at least looked at, though I'm not sure exactly how much they mean.

It isn't complicated. We didn't do our job last year, and we got what we deserved.

That's depressing. Uteps OOC schedule isn't good enough to get an rpi very high for consideration.

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CUSA will only get 1 bid year in and year out unless someone wins the tournament unexpectedly like Houston a couple if years ago. When Memphis was in CUSA, we would basically get the only bid and then they would give us a crappy seed. CUSA was better then too.

If you think that CUSA will get multiple bids year in and year out, then you are living in fantasy land. Hell, the American is considered Mid Major and SMU didn't get a bid. They would have won CUSA last year.

(11-04-2014 12:47 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  If you think that CUSA will get multiple bids year in and year out, then you are living in fantasy land. Hell, the American is considered Mid Major and SMU didn't get a bid. They would have won CUSA last year.

You're wrong on both accounts. No reason CUSA can't get at least two bids a year. And the AAC isn't considered a mid-major in basketball.

What have you been smoking this morning? Whatever it is I don't want any part of it...

(11-04-2014 12:50 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 12:47 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  If you think that CUSA will get multiple bids year in and year out, then you are living in fantasy land. Hell, the American is considered Mid Major and SMU didn't get a bid. They would have won CUSA last year.

You're wrong on both accounts. No reason CUSA can't get at least two bids a year. And the AAC isn't considered a mid-major in basketball.

What have you been smoking this morning? Whatever it is I don't want any part of it...

I'm not saying it's not BS, but it has been a huge problem for CUSA for a long time. A lot of good teams have been left out because of the CUSA bias. One problem is exposure on TV. Memphis would have some OOC national TV games, and once conference play started we were never seen again until the tournament.

(11-04-2014 12:47 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  CUSA will only get 1 bid year in and year out unless someone wins the tournament unexpectedly like Houston a couple if years ago. When Memphis was in CUSA, we would basically get the only bid and then they would give us a crappy seed. CUSA was better then too.

When was that?

(11-04-2014 02:47 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 12:47 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  CUSA will only get 1 bid year in and year out unless someone wins the tournament unexpectedly like Houston a couple if years ago. When Memphis was in CUSA, we would basically get the only bid and then they would give us a crappy seed. CUSA was better then too.

When was that?

When Memphis was in the conference.

(11-04-2014 02:51 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 02:47 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 12:47 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  CUSA will only get 1 bid year in and year out unless someone wins the tournament unexpectedly like Houston a couple if years ago. When Memphis was in CUSA, we would basically get the only bid and then they would give us a crappy seed. CUSA was better then too.

When was that?

When Memphis was in the conference.

Disagree.. Sure Memphis is a great program BUT.. From top to bottom the conference is stronger now than it was say 3 years ago.