(09-29-2014 10:36 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Update of list

Quote:Very hot seat:
Will Muschamp - that was a rather tepid endorsement from the AD
Dana Holgerson - "defense, who needs defense?"
Paul Rhodes - I doubt anyone can win here but you have to be at least competitive
Mike London - going in reverse

Hot but not sizzling:
Bo Pelini - another poorly timed outburst is more likely to do him in than not winning a B1G championship
Charlie Weiss - I doubt anyone can win here but you have to be at least competitive
Mike Leach - collapse in bowl didn't engender confidence
Dan Mullen - (unimpressive) win over Ole Miss probably buys another year but overall expectations aren't being met

Getting warm:
Brady Hoak - he needs to be seen as making some (any?) progress. MSU's success doesn't sit well with 'Ine bosters.
Kyle Wittingham - the move to the PAC 12 isn't going too well. Only the Stanford win keeps him from moving up to "Hot"
Bret Bielma - Hog fans are already starting to think "mistake?"

New categories: Fired, Definitely to be fired and Off the List

Fired:
Charlie Weiss

Definitely to be fired:
Brady Hoke

Off the List:
Bret Bielama
Dan Mullen

Mid-October update. Updates highlighted:

Fired:
Charlie Weiss

Definitely to be fired:
Brady Hoke
Will Muschamp

Off the List:
Bret Bielama
Dan Mullen
Dana Holgerson

They may have finally beaten Northwestern easily, but I think Polini is still a shoe-in for a firing by season's end. He's got Iowa, Wisconsin, and Minnesota to pound in order to silence his critics, and look where they are on the schedule...

Al Golden is definitely on the list. Were he a smart man, and steer the 'Canes to a 6-6 record or better, he'd take any pro job offered to him. If it's true he failed to thrill at a PSU interview, Miami might be his current ceiling. That would have been good...a decade ago.

(10-05-2014 10:14 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I don't think I'll ever understand how historied flagship schools like florida and Texas could be so bad. Do the coaches just cruise the rivals site and just offer anyone with four or five stars? Do they any leg work on their talent at all?

Hey, you just described the history of the North Carolina Tar Heels football program. No university has as many football players move to the pros and maintains 6-6 seasons like the Heels.

(10-05-2014 12:45 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Paul Johnson beat Miami and VT for the first time in his tenure. He is now safe barring complete collapse.

Soooooooooo about that complete collapse. I'd say he has completely given back the Miami and VT games in the last two weeks. With Clemson and UGAg still to go ... everything is still on the table.

(10-19-2014 09:53 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 10:36 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Update of list

Quote:Very hot seat:
Will Muschamp - that was a rather tepid endorsement from the AD
Dana Holgerson - "defense, who needs defense?"
Paul Rhodes - I doubt anyone can win here but you have to be at least competitive
Mike London - going in reverse

Hot but not sizzling:
Bo Pelini - another poorly timed outburst is more likely to do him in than not winning a B1G championship
Charlie Weiss - I doubt anyone can win here but you have to be at least competitive
Mike Leach - collapse in bowl didn't engender confidence
Dan Mullen - (unimpressive) win over Ole Miss probably buys another year but overall expectations aren't being met

Getting warm:
Brady Hoak - he needs to be seen as making some (any?) progress. MSU's success doesn't sit well with 'Ine bosters.
Kyle Wittingham - the move to the PAC 12 isn't going too well. Only the Stanford win keeps him from moving up to "Hot"
Bret Bielma - Hog fans are already starting to think "mistake?"

New categories: Fired, Definitely to be fired and Off the List

Fired:
Charlie Weiss

Definitely to be fired:
Brady Hoke

Off the List:
Bret Bielama
Dan Mullen

Mid-October update. Updates highlighted:

Fired:
Charlie Weiss

Definitely to be fired:
Brady Hoke
Will Muschamp

Off the List:
Bret Bielama
Dan Mullen
Dana Holgerson

You still have Whittingham on your list? His team is 5-1 and ranked #19 by AP this week.

(10-19-2014 09:53 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Mid-October update. Updates highlighted:

Fired:
Charlie Weiss

Definitely to be fired:
Brady Hoke
Will Muschamp

Off the List:
Bret Bielama
Dan Mullen
Dana Holgerson

The only question with Muschamp is whether he will make it to the end of the season. If the Gators get their doors blown off in the Cocktail Party, I think the AD will pull the cord.

(10-20-2014 02:09 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:53 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 10:36 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Update of list

Quote:Very hot seat:
Will Muschamp - that was a rather tepid endorsement from the AD
Dana Holgerson - "defense, who needs defense?"
Paul Rhodes - I doubt anyone can win here but you have to be at least competitive
Mike London - going in reverse

Hot but not sizzling:
Bo Pelini - another poorly timed outburst is more likely to do him in than not winning a B1G championship
Charlie Weiss - I doubt anyone can win here but you have to be at least competitive
Mike Leach - collapse in bowl didn't engender confidence
Dan Mullen - (unimpressive) win over Ole Miss probably buys another year but overall expectations aren't being met

Getting warm:
Brady Hoak - he needs to be seen as making some (any?) progress. MSU's success doesn't sit well with 'Ine bosters.
Kyle Wittingham - the move to the PAC 12 isn't going too well. Only the Stanford win keeps him from moving up to "Hot"
Bret Bielma - Hog fans are already starting to think "mistake?"

New categories: Fired, Definitely to be fired and Off the List

Fired:
Charlie Weiss

Definitely to be fired:
Brady Hoke

Off the List:
Bret Bielama
Dan Mullen

Mid-October update. Updates highlighted:

Fired:
Charlie Weiss

Definitely to be fired:
Brady Hoke
Will Muschamp

Off the List:
Bret Bielama
Dan Mullen
Dana Holgerson

You still have Whittingham on your list? His team is 5-1 and ranked #19 by AP this week.

Valid point. I missed that and will update accordingly.

(10-20-2014 07:54 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:53 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Mid-October update. Updates highlighted:

Fired:
Charlie Weiss

Definitely to be fired:
Brady Hoke
Will Muschamp

Off the List:
Bret Bielama
Dan Mullen
Dana Holgerson

The only question with Muschamp is whether he will make it to the end of the season. If the Gators get their doors blown off in the Cocktail Party, I think the AD will pull the cord.

UF is stuck on this. If they really want Mullen, and there are many good reasons to bring him back to Gainesville, they have to wait until the end of the season. Meanwhile, the longer Muschamp stays the more disenchanted the fan base grows, which means lost revenue in concessions, poor attendance, and taking a beating on the recruiting trail where Muschamp is a dead man walking. Any interim hire at this point would have to be someone already on staff as it would become an obstacle to allowing a new coach to clean house otherwise.

Personally speaking, they should have fired him yesterday, and replaced him with another coach on the staff just to jazz up some interest for the program short term.

so... did Muschamp save his job today, or would he have to win out(playing Vandy, S Carolina, E Kentucky, and Florida St) to save it? 8-3 and wins over Georgia and FSU I have got to think he would be safe. Especially since you had the legal situation with the new QB in 2 of the 3 losses. (btw, seems so weird to see a 11 game final record for once)

I think the win today showed some promise. Do you see if he has finally put together His team and let him continue with it or do you hand over what might finally be a complete Florida team next year to someone else so that they look good with Muschamp's boys?

He has at least bought himself time to the end of the season. A Georgia win means nothing if he turns around and loses to the rest of the East teams he still has on his schedule. Considering SC just lost to Tennessee, Florida should win out.

Early on I said one of the games FSU has to watch out for is the Florida game. Some folks thought that was crazy but those Florida boys may yet make something of themselves.

(11-02-2014 02:04 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think the win today showed some promise. Do you see if he has finally put together His team and let him continue with it or do you hand over what might finally be a complete Florida team next year to someone else so that they look good with Muschamp's boys?

He has at least bought himself time to the end of the season. A Georgia win means nothing if he turns around and loses to the rest of the East teams he still has on his schedule. Considering SC just lost to Tennessee, Florida should win out.

Early on I said one of the games FSU has to watch out for is the Florida game. Some folks thought that was crazy but those Florida boys may yet make something of themselves.

I think if the QB shows promise and they win out, they almost have to give him another shot. And heck- if Auburn beats Georgia- all it would take would be 2 Missouri losses(they have left Texas A&M, Tennessee, and Arkansas) and Florida is in the SEC title game believe it or not if 1 of the 2 Missouri losses is to Tennessee.

(11-02-2014 02:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-02-2014 02:04 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think the win today showed some promise. Do you see if he has finally put together His team and let him continue with it or do you hand over what might finally be a complete Florida team next year to someone else so that they look good with Muschamp's boys?

He has at least bought himself time to the end of the season. A Georgia win means nothing if he turns around and loses to the rest of the East teams he still has on his schedule. Considering SC just lost to Tennessee, Florida should win out.

Early on I said one of the games FSU has to watch out for is the Florida game. Some folks thought that was crazy but those Florida boys may yet make something of themselves.

I think if the QB shows promise and they win out, they almost have to give him another shot. And heck- if Auburn beats Georgia- all it would take would be 2 Missouri losses(they have left Texas A&M, Tennessee, and Arkansas) and Florida is in the SEC title game believe it or not if 1 of the 2 Missouri losses is to Tennessee.

While that situation is probable, I find it highly unlikely. I think Muschamp coached his team up and UGA was asleep at the wheel going into the Cocktail Party. Chances are the Gators won't be able to repeat that kind of performance. That said, I don't think any one game can save Will at this point as the donations (or lack thereof) to the UF Nation have in all likelyhood decided his fate.

Here's an interesting coach that could be at risk though: Mark Richt. This loss, along with the earlier SCAR loss were simply unacceptable. I know the university is OK with being above average, but I think with so much at stake, the fanbase and the major donors may have finally had enough. We'll see how they perform against what should be a game Kentucky squad.

The thing is Florida has left only Vandy and South Carolina. They should win both of those games. If they do, and then pull the upset with FSU- I do not see how you don't bring him back....

Very interesting about Richt- and could easily see it. Esp if they drop a game to Ga Tech.

I would say also- won't be shocked if this is the end of the line for Spurrier.

(11-03-2014 02:27 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Here's an interesting coach that could be at risk though: Mark Richt. This loss, along with the earlier SCAR loss were simply unacceptable. I know the university is OK with being above average, but I think with so much at stake, the fanbase and the major donors may have finally had enough. We'll see how they perform against what should be a game Kentucky squad.

Richt has been at UGa more than 10 years, and it's hard to survive in any of these jobs for that long unless you have at least one national title to shut up all the naysayers who start coming after you once you've had several years on the job. And that's probably doubly or triply so in the SEC. But if he was available, there are several teams in the SEC and ACC that ought to consider dumping their current coach if they could get Richt, even if their current coach is "ok". I'd put Miami #1 on that list.

(11-03-2014 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is Florida has left only Vandy and South Carolina. They should win both of those games. If they do, and then pull the upset with FSU- I do not see how you don't bring him back....

Very interesting about Richt- and could easily see it. Esp if they drop a game to Ga Tech.

I would say also- won't be shocked if this is the end of the line for Spurrier.

I don't think this Georgia team will lose to Tech, but a loss to Auburn at home would probably cement the decision. And I too think Spurrier will retire. He'll want to go out on a winning note however so if he doesn't make a bowl this year and win it, I suppose he might agree with the administration to return for 1 more year. If the Gamecocks manage to beat Clemson that might well be his moment. We'll see.

(11-03-2014 02:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Richt has been at UGa more than 10 years, and it's hard to survive in any of these jobs for that long unless you have at least one national title to shut up all the naysayers who start coming after you once you've had several years on the job. And that's probably doubly or triply so in the SEC. But if he was available, there are several teams in the SEC and ACC that ought to consider dumping their current coach if they could get Richt, even if their current coach is "ok". I'd put Miami #1 on that list.

GTECH ought to think about dumping their coach for Richt if he becomes available.....

I could see Richt in the ACC.

Another coach that you have got to think is really going to be thinking about retirement is Frank Beamer from VT. 4-5 with 3 games left. No lock to get to a bowl this year by any stretch. 68 years old now. 28 seasons now at VT after this year.

What is so amazing now- after Beamer and then Blakeney at Troy- the next coach in the tenure ratings is Stoops at Oklahoma and Ferentz at Iowa(both there only 15 years).

(11-03-2014 04:27 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I could see Richt in the ACC.

Another coach that you have got to think is really going to be thinking about retirement is Frank Beamer from VT. 4-5 with 3 games left. No lock to get to a bowl this year by any stretch. 68 years old now. 28 seasons now at VT after this year.

What is so amazing now- after Beamer and then Blakeney at Troy- the next coach in the tenure ratings is Stoops at Oklahoma and Ferentz at Iowa(both there only 15 years).

He might make a good hire for VT.

(11-03-2014 11:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-03-2014 04:27 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I could see Richt in the ACC.

Another coach that you have got to think is really going to be thinking about retirement is Frank Beamer from VT. 4-5 with 3 games left. No lock to get to a bowl this year by any stretch. 68 years old now. 28 seasons now at VT after this year.

What is so amazing now- after Beamer and then Blakeney at Troy- the next coach in the tenure ratings is Stoops at Oklahoma and Ferentz at Iowa(both there only 15 years).

He might make a good hire for VT.

maybe. VT needs a breath of fresh air. 19-18 now last 37 games after going 32-7 the 39 games before that.

Richt is just at that age where he could go and make a big impact. He's 54.

With Indiana's loss to a bad Michigan team, you got to figure Kevin Wilson is a goner. He is in year 4 and has yet to male a bowl, assuming Indy loses 2 more times this season.