I thought this "doesn't happen"? I thought we were "conspiracy theorists" to think Obola's importation of illegals was really the importation of a new, Democratic voting bloc?
Fraudulent voting does not exist because they haven't been prosecuted. Just like the only speeders on the highway are those who get tickets. We all know the number of ticketed speeders far exceeds those who aren't ticketed. /sarcasm
Seriously though. Notice they kept asking if they were registered. That's key. If you get registered, all is good. The registration process typically has very little verification behind it.
A quick google search confirmed what I thought. Only two states (New Mexico and Washington) give the exact same licenses to illegals. 5 other states give different licenses than what's given to citizens this is to make sure that these IDs won't be used for boarding a plane or voting.
The only thing these news article proved is the ignorance of the officials, while in of itself a good thing, it proves nothing that illegals are voting. Again you "conspiracy theorists" still have a lot to prove.
I'll admit my ignorance here but during the last couple elections I've seen legitimate news reports of groups out registering folks to vote and those folks gathering these registrations then turn the cards into the state. I've heard that literally 100,000's or millions have been registered that way. What's the process? Where does the state validate the accuracy of these GOTV registration efforts? In states where this occurs, what happens when one of the names on these cards goes to vote in person or better yet, through absentee balloting? Do they at that time verify who they are?
Just curious.
(This post was last modified: 10-30-2014 06:01 PM by WKUApollo.)
(10-30-2014 07:23 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote: Reported today that 6.5% of all non-citizens in the U.S. vote in U.S elections. And I bet they go 95% for the Dems.
I'm starting to think a national ID card isn't such a bad idea.
Sorry dude, but that doesn't cut it here. Either include the source(s) or don't post it. Thanks.
(10-30-2014 06:00 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: I'll admit my ignorance here but during the last couple elections I've seen legitimate news reports of groups out registering folks to vote and those folks gathering these registrations then turn the cards into the state. I've heard that literally 100,000's or millions have been registered that way. What's the process? Where does the state validate the accuracy of these GOTV registration efforts? In states where this occurs, what happens when one of the names on these cards goes to vote in person or better yet, through absentee balloting? Do they at that time verify who they are?
Just curious.
Depends on the state. I've voted in both Ohio and Michigan. Both make you sign at the polls and they compare your signature to your registration signature.
And as far as the registrations go. If someone registers, even with a fraudulent name, etc., you are required by law to still turn in that bogus registration. The state then does all the required validation parts of the registration before they add the voter to the roles.
(This post was last modified: 10-31-2014 07:38 AM by Redwingtom.)
(10-30-2014 07:23 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote: Reported today that 6.5% of all non-citizens in the U.S. vote in U.S elections. And I bet they go 95% for the Dems.
I'm starting to think a national ID card isn't such a bad idea.
Sorry dude, but that doesn't cut it here. Either include the source(s) or don't post it. Thanks.
Quote:In the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2008 ruling that upheld Indiana’s voter ID law, Justice John Paul Stevens, hardly a member of the conservative wing of the Supreme Court, acknowledged “flagrant examples of such fraud” throughout the nation’s history and observed that “not only is the risk of voter fraud real” but also that “it could affect the outcome of a close election.”
Quote: new study by two Old Dominion University professors, based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, found that 6.4% of all noncitizens voted illegally in the 2008 presidential election, and 2.2% voted in the 2010 midterms.
QS, sorry...I can't read the whole article. I'm not subscribed or have an account with the WSJ. But I did notice that it's an opinion piece. Thanks for trying though.
(10-30-2014 06:00 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: I'll admit my ignorance here but during the last couple elections I've seen legitimate news reports of groups out registering folks to vote and those folks gathering these registrations then turn the cards into the state. I've heard that literally 100,000's or millions have been registered that way. What's the process? Where does the state validate the accuracy of these GOTV registration efforts? In states where this occurs, what happens when one of the names on these cards goes to vote in person or better yet, through absentee balloting? Do they at that time verify who they are?
Just curious.
Depends on the state. I've voted in both Ohio and Michigan. Both make you sign at the polls and they compare your signature to your registration signature.
And as far as the registrations go. If someone registers, even with a fraudulent name, etc., you are required by law to still turn in that bogus registration. The state then does all the required validation parts of the registration before they add the voter to the roles.
Interesting. Do they give signature verification training to all the octogenarians working at the polls? Just curious because that's definitely something I'd like to see.
I'm also curious about the "required validation parts of registration" that the states do. Do they merely verify from some database that the name on the card matches the address? I'd love to have more info an this part.
(10-30-2014 06:00 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: I'll admit my ignorance here but during the last couple elections I've seen legitimate news reports of groups out registering folks to vote and those folks gathering these registrations then turn the cards into the state. I've heard that literally 100,000's or millions have been registered that way. What's the process? Where does the state validate the accuracy of these GOTV registration efforts? In states where this occurs, what happens when one of the names on these cards goes to vote in person or better yet, through absentee balloting? Do they at that time verify who they are?
Just curious.
Depends on the state. I've voted in both Ohio and Michigan. Both make you sign at the polls and they compare your signature to your registration signature.
And as far as the registrations go. If someone registers, even with a fraudulent name, etc., you are required by law to still turn in that bogus registration. The state then does all the required validation parts of the registration before they add the voter to the roles.
Interesting. Do they give signature verification training to all the octogenarians working at the polls? Just curious because that's definitely something I'd like to see.
I'm also curious about the "required validation parts of registration" that the states do. Do they merely verify from some database that the name on the card matches the address? I'd love to have more info an this part.
(10-30-2014 06:00 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: I'll admit my ignorance here but during the last couple elections I've seen legitimate news reports of groups out registering folks to vote and those folks gathering these registrations then turn the cards into the state. I've heard that literally 100,000's or millions have been registered that way. What's the process? Where does the state validate the accuracy of these GOTV registration efforts? In states where this occurs, what happens when one of the names on these cards goes to vote in person or better yet, through absentee balloting? Do they at that time verify who they are?
Just curious.
Depends on the state. I've voted in both Ohio and Michigan. Both make you sign at the polls and they compare your signature to your registration signature.
And as far as the registrations go. If someone registers, even with a fraudulent name, etc., you are required by law to still turn in that bogus registration. The state then does all the required validation parts of the registration before they add the voter to the roles.
Interesting. Do they give signature verification training to all the octogenarians working at the polls? Just curious because that's definitely something I'd like to see.
I'm also curious about the "required validation parts of registration" that the states do. Do they merely verify from some database that the name on the card matches the address? I'd love to have more info an this part.
Of course it is. I just wanted you to admit you don't know if there's really any true verification. I'd wager there's little to no true verification across the board for these registration drives. You stated that the "state then does all the required validation parts". I wanted to see if you knew this for a fact or whether you knew what that entailed or were you just assuming.
(10-30-2014 06:00 PM)WKUApollo Wrote: I'll admit my ignorance here but during the last couple elections I've seen legitimate news reports of groups out registering folks to vote and those folks gathering these registrations then turn the cards into the state. I've heard that literally 100,000's or millions have been registered that way. What's the process? Where does the state validate the accuracy of these GOTV registration efforts? In states where this occurs, what happens when one of the names on these cards goes to vote in person or better yet, through absentee balloting? Do they at that time verify who they are?
Just curious.
Depends on the state. I've voted in both Ohio and Michigan. Both make you sign at the polls and they compare your signature to your registration signature.
And as far as the registrations go. If someone registers, even with a fraudulent name, etc., you are required by law to still turn in that bogus registration. The state then does all the required validation parts of the registration before they add the voter to the roles.
Interesting. Do they give signature verification training to all the octogenarians working at the polls? Just curious because that's definitely something I'd like to see.
I'm also curious about the "required validation parts of registration" that the states do. Do they merely verify from some database that the name on the card matches the address? I'd love to have more info an this part.
Of course it is. I just wanted you to admit you don't know if there's really any true verification. I'd wager there's little to no true verification across the board for these registration drives. You stated that the "state then does all the required validation parts". I wanted to see if you knew this for a fact or whether you knew what that entailed or were you just assuming.
Aren't you registered? When I registered, I had to prove my citizenship. This is pretty much standard for every state, as seen in the link I provided. I don't know what each state uses...but in my dealings, I had to always at least show my birth certificate and I think at least a couple other things to verify my address for precinct identification.
And when I ultimately vote in Michigan, I have to show my drivers license so they can verify that I'm who I am.
(This post was last modified: 10-31-2014 09:31 AM by Redwingtom.)
(10-31-2014 07:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: Depends on the state. I've voted in both Ohio and Michigan. Both make you sign at the polls and they compare your signature to your registration signature.
And as far as the registrations go. If someone registers, even with a fraudulent name, etc., you are required by law to still turn in that bogus registration. The state then does all the required validation parts of the registration before they add the voter to the roles.
Interesting. Do they give signature verification training to all the octogenarians working at the polls? Just curious because that's definitely something I'd like to see.
I'm also curious about the "required validation parts of registration" that the states do. Do they merely verify from some database that the name on the card matches the address? I'd love to have more info an this part.
Of course it is. I just wanted you to admit you don't know if there's really any true verification. I'd wager there's little to no true verification across the board for these registration drives. You stated that the "state then does all the required validation parts". I wanted to see if you knew this for a fact or whether you knew what that entailed or were you just assuming.
Aren't you registered? When I registered, I had to prove my citizenship. This is pretty much standard for every state, as seen in the link I provided. I don't know what each state uses...but in my dealings, I had to always at least show my birth certificate and I think at least a couple other things to verify my address for precinct identification.
And when I ultimately vote in Michigan, I have to show my drivers license so they can verify that I'm who I am.
Of course I'm registered. I went to the courthouse and they verified in person, with documentation, that I was who i said I was. I'm talking about the groups that register tens of thousands of people on the street. How are they verifying who they are? If it's not done then, when does the state do the verification? Do they require the citizen to come to the courthouse and provide documentation? I haven't heard of that occurring.
Oh, so showing a photo ID at the polling station is a good thing. I agree. What about the states that don't have photo ID requirements or what about mail in ballots? When am I verified to vote?
And please don't misunderstand. I started by stating that I admit my ignorance. I just want someone to tell me how the process is kept clean. I see huge holes in the process but I never hear how those holes are plugged.
(This post was last modified: 10-31-2014 05:07 PM by WKUApollo.)
(10-31-2014 08:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: QS, sorry...I can't read the whole article. I'm not subscribed or have an account with the WSJ. But I did notice that it's an opinion piece. Thanks for trying though.
Maybe you should subscribe. It might help clear your confusion about a lot of things, since it is obvious that all you read are the biased pieces from the left. But if you're too cheap, I can't help you. Maybe Obama can pay for your subscription.
(10-31-2014 08:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: QS, sorry...I can't read the whole article. I'm not subscribed or have an account with the WSJ. But I did notice that it's an opinion piece. Thanks for trying though.
Maybe you should subscribe. It might help clear your confusion about a lot of things, since it is obvious that all you read are the biased pieces from the left. But if you're too cheap, I can't help you. Maybe Obama can pay for your subscription.
If it can't be read, then it can't be true. Correct? lol
(10-30-2014 03:49 PM)TStatebobcat Wrote: A quick google search confirmed what I thought. Only two states (New Mexico and Washington) give the exact same licenses to illegals. 5 other states give different licenses than what's given to citizens this is to make sure that these IDs won't be used for boarding a plane or voting.
The only thing these news article proved is the ignorance of the officials, while in of itself a good thing, it proves nothing that illegals are voting. Again you "conspiracy theorists" still have a lot to prove.
But you have no problem with the guy telling someone who just informed him that he is illegal how to vote.
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Not a citizen, no problem go ahead and vote
