(10-25-2014 09:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 03:29 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:

Quote:One good season by means of an extremely weak schedule doesn't earn you a spot at the big table.

That is a very legitimate point. If Marshall was undefeated and had played at least ONE (1) P5 school --and won the game-- it would be on much firmer ground to earn the respect it seeks. And if Marshall was undefeated and had played and beaten 2 P5 schools (like LA Tech did 2 years ago), we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The Herd would be in the Top 5.

I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

Do you realize football schedules are made years in advance? Do you also know due to conference realignment, we lost louisville, lost ucf, lost ecu, lost houston, and others that would have made our schedule this season a very tough one? (Replaced one with la tech which is a real drag on the conference) Yet, you stupidly spout the same old crap. I may be drunk right now, but i really hate la tech.cant wait to throttle you in the cusa title game and watch your delusional fan base implode and make excuses.

I can see it now "but...but.... they didnt play any p5 teams! How did we lose by 40? This doesn't make sense!!!"

You do realize we don't give a @&$?, right?

You do realize you took the time to come to a CUSA board regarding Marshall and post right? It appears you do give a ****. Quit trying to live vicariously through other teams. No one is talking about Memphis for the Access Bowl...NO ONE!

(10-25-2014 03:29 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:

Quote:One good season by means of an extremely weak schedule doesn't earn you a spot at the big table.

That is a very legitimate point. If Marshall was undefeated and had played at least ONE (1) P5 school --and won the game-- it would be on much firmer ground to earn the respect it seeks. And if Marshall was undefeated and had played and beaten 2 P5 schools (like LA Tech did 2 years ago), we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The Herd would be in the Top 5.

I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

Do you realize football schedules are made years in advance? Do you also know due to conference realignment, we lost louisville, lost ucf, lost ecu, lost houston, and others that would have made our schedule this season a very tough one? (Replaced one with la tech which is a real drag on the conference) Yet, you stupidly spout the same old crap. I may be drunk right now, but i really hate la tech.cant wait to throttle you in the cusa title game and watch your delusional fan base implode and make excuses.

I can see it now "but...but.... they didnt play any p5 teams! How did we lose by 40? This doesn't make sense!!!"

Thank you, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!! I can't believe you were STUPID enough to think everyone doesn't know that football games are scheduled years in advance.

On 2nd thought.....I can believe it. HAHA!

It's too bad you can't defend your own position on the "scheduling issue" without attacking a fellow conference member. The subject matter was the QUALITY (or lack thereof) of Marshall's football schedule, and how it will affect the Herd's ability to reach it's goals nationally. If you can't handle a little scrutiny from me, you DAMN SURE aren't going to be able to handle it from people outside CUSA. Because Marshall's schedule will continue to be a hotly discussed issue as your school attempts to move higher in the rankings.

I particularly like your comment that LA Tech is a "drag on the conference". Never mind LA Tech has only been in the CUSA 1 year, and we've already won one CUSA men's basketball title, are favored to win another this season, and is clearly one of the favorites in the west to meet Marshall for the CUSA football title in December. That doesn't sound like a drag on the conference to me.

(10-25-2014 12:52 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 03:29 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:

Quote:One good season by means of an extremely weak schedule doesn't earn you a spot at the big table.

That is a very legitimate point. If Marshall was undefeated and had played at least ONE (1) P5 school --and won the game-- it would be on much firmer ground to earn the respect it seeks. And if Marshall was undefeated and had played and beaten 2 P5 schools (like LA Tech did 2 years ago), we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The Herd would be in the Top 5.

I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

Do you realize football schedules are made years in advance? Do you also know due to conference realignment, we lost louisville, lost ucf, lost ecu, lost houston, and others that would have made our schedule this season a very tough one? (Replaced one with la tech which is a real drag on the conference) Yet, you stupidly spout the same old crap. I may be drunk right now, but i really hate la tech.cant wait to throttle you in the cusa title game and watch your delusional fan base implode and make excuses.

I can see it now "but...but.... they didnt play any p5 teams! How did we lose by 40? This doesn't make sense!!!"

Thank you, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!! I can't believe you were STUPID enough to think everyone doesn't know that football games are scheduled years in advance.

On 2nd thought.....I can believe it. HAHA!

It's too bad you can't defend your own position on the "scheduling issue" without attacking a fellow conference member. The subject matter was the QUALITY (or lack thereof) of Marshall's football schedule, and how it will affect the Herd's ability to reach it's goals nationally. If you can't handle a little scrutiny from me, you DAMN SURE aren't going to be able to handle it from people outside CUSA. Because Marshall's schedule will continue to be a hotly discussed issue as your school attempts to move higher in the rankings.

I particularly like your comment that LA Tech is a "drag on the conference". Never mind LA Tech has only been in the CUSA 1 year, and we've already won one CUSA men's basketball title, are favored to win another this season, and is clearly one of the favorites in the west to meet Marshall for the CUSA football title in December. That doesn't sound like a drag on the conference to me.

Scrutinizing and criticizing our schedule is fine. Blaming us for it is where you are seeing people going ballistic. If you actually understand that schedules are made years in advance, then you would actually understand that last minute conference changes cannot be fixed overnight. We got the short end. It sucks, it happens, and nothing could have been done about it.

The only help we could have received this year is our conference mates stepping up and winning a few OOC games against some of that outstanding competition they scheduled. Unfortunately, some of them lost to FCS schools instead and further ****** us.

(10-25-2014 10:51 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 09:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 03:29 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:

Quote:One good season by means of an extremely weak schedule doesn't earn you a spot at the big table.

That is a very legitimate point. If Marshall was undefeated and had played at least ONE (1) P5 school --and won the game-- it would be on much firmer ground to earn the respect it seeks. And if Marshall was undefeated and had played and beaten 2 P5 schools (like LA Tech did 2 years ago), we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The Herd would be in the Top 5.

I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

Do you realize football schedules are made years in advance? Do you also know due to conference realignment, we lost louisville, lost ucf, lost ecu, lost houston, and others that would have made our schedule this season a very tough one? (Replaced one with la tech which is a real drag on the conference) Yet, you stupidly spout the same old crap. I may be drunk right now, but i really hate la tech.cant wait to throttle you in the cusa title game and watch your delusional fan base implode and make excuses.

I can see it now "but...but.... they didnt play any p5 teams! How did we lose by 40? This doesn't make sense!!!"

You do realize we don't give a @&$?, right?

You do realize you took the time to come to a CUSA board regarding Marshall and post right? It appears you do give a ****. Quit trying to live vicariously through other teams. No one is talking about Memphis for the Access Bowl...NO ONE!

Sorry, I was too busy watching my team win yesterday :-)

(10-26-2014 11:55 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 10:51 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 09:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 03:29 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:


That is a very legitimate point. If Marshall was undefeated and had played at least ONE (1) P5 school --and won the game-- it would be on much firmer ground to earn the respect it seeks. And if Marshall was undefeated and had played and beaten 2 P5 schools (like LA Tech did 2 years ago), we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The Herd would be in the Top 5.

I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

Do you realize football schedules are made years in advance? Do you also know due to conference realignment, we lost louisville, lost ucf, lost ecu, lost houston, and others that would have made our schedule this season a very tough one? (Replaced one with la tech which is a real drag on the conference) Yet, you stupidly spout the same old crap. I may be drunk right now, but i really hate la tech.cant wait to throttle you in the cusa title game and watch your delusional fan base implode and make excuses.

I can see it now "but...but.... they didnt play any p5 teams! How did we lose by 40? This doesn't make sense!!!"

You do realize we don't give a @&$?, right?

You do realize you took the time to come to a CUSA board regarding Marshall and post right? It appears you do give a ****. Quit trying to live vicariously through other teams. No one is talking about Memphis for the Access Bowl...NO ONE!

Sorry, I was too busy watching my team win yesterday :-)

That means something to fans that have watched their team win every week?

(10-26-2014 12:19 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 11:55 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 10:51 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 09:26 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 03:29 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Do you realize football schedules are made years in advance? Do you also know due to conference realignment, we lost louisville, lost ucf, lost ecu, lost houston, and others that would have made our schedule this season a very tough one? (Replaced one with la tech which is a real drag on the conference) Yet, you stupidly spout the same old crap. I may be drunk right now, but i really hate la tech.cant wait to throttle you in the cusa title game and watch your delusional fan base implode and make excuses.

I can see it now "but...but.... they didnt play any p5 teams! How did we lose by 40? This doesn't make sense!!!"

You do realize we don't give a @&$?, right?

You do realize you took the time to come to a CUSA board regarding Marshall and post right? It appears you do give a ****. Quit trying to live vicariously through other teams. No one is talking about Memphis for the Access Bowl...NO ONE!

Sorry, I was too busy watching my team win yesterday :-)

That means something to fans that have watched their team win every week?

I'm not concerned with what Marshall does, that doesn't change the fact ECU still has a tougher schedule than Marshall.

Why don't the AAC guys go home we aren't interested in your opinions any more.

(10-26-2014 05:14 PM)HellBlazer Wrote:  Why don't the AAC guys go home we aren't interested in your opinions any more.

I forgot Mempiss's big win over UCLA made them all football experts. My bad.

(10-26-2014 05:25 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 05:14 PM)HellBlazer Wrote:  Why don't the AAC guys go home we aren't interested in your opinions any more.

I forgot Mempiss's big win over UCLA made them all football experts. My bad.

lol, I'm content with our wins over MTSU and Cincy for now, CUSA fans are so defensive...Marshall is a good team, and it sucks what Louisville did to their schedule...but I still think ECU has a much better schedule with teams like Va Tech, South Carolina, UNC, Cincy, and UCF...should ECU win out (big if), they should get the access bowl.

I just want to have fun Friday, and beat Tulsa...5-3 (3-1) sounds nice.

(10-24-2014 10:48 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 10:40 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 10:07 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 06:56 PM)fedale Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:


I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

You must not know how scheduling works, do you?

I'm so damn tired of making the point over and over and over again.

People think they are so intuitive about how our schedule turned out and they don't take the 5 minutes to research it or even think about it.

Apparently I know more about scheduling than you and your AD. While I know it can be difficult, it's certainly not impossible to schedule quality teams in the timeframe Marshall had left. I mean, Rhode Island? Come on. At least TRY!

By the way, this discussion has nothing to do with the quality of Marshall's football team, which I think is very good. To the contrary, poor scheduling by the administration could end up limiting the football team's "upside".

Regardless of the excuses, the quality of Marshall's schedule is going to remain the anchor around the Herd's neck throughout the 2014 season. Not saying they can't overcome it, but it's certainly going to make the climb to legitimacy more difficult.

Rhode Island was not his first call, it was his last resort. He did try. Your argument is the same thing as saying ECU knew they were gonna be good so they should have made sure VT, UNC, and USC would be good, too. You can only control what you can control. There was no one with the P5 moniker magically available inside a year's notice that could meet our needs. That's all there is to the story. Anything else is wrong and stems from ignorance. You don't know so you're spewing some perfect world viewpoint that can't jibe with reality.

No, I'm just telling you what the Achilles heel is for your football program in terms of garnering recognition, and that you're just gonna have to deal with it. You can beat Rhode Island 100-0, but nobody of importance in college football is going to care.

(10-25-2014 12:52 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 03:29 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:

Quote:One good season by means of an extremely weak schedule doesn't earn you a spot at the big table.

That is a very legitimate point. If Marshall was undefeated and had played at least ONE (1) P5 school --and won the game-- it would be on much firmer ground to earn the respect it seeks. And if Marshall was undefeated and had played and beaten 2 P5 schools (like LA Tech did 2 years ago), we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The Herd would be in the Top 5.

I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

Do you realize football schedules are made years in advance? Do you also know due to conference realignment, we lost louisville, lost ucf, lost ecu, lost houston, and others that would have made our schedule this season a very tough one? (Replaced one with la tech which is a real drag on the conference) Yet, you stupidly spout the same old crap. I may be drunk right now, but i really hate la tech.cant wait to throttle you in the cusa title game and watch your delusional fan base implode and make excuses.

I can see it now "but...but.... they didnt play any p5 teams! How did we lose by 40? This doesn't make sense!!!"

Thank you, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!! I can't believe you were STUPID enough to think everyone doesn't know that football games are scheduled years in advance.

On 2nd thought.....I can believe it. HAHA!

It's too bad you can't defend your own position on the "scheduling issue" without attacking a fellow conference member. The subject matter was the QUALITY (or lack thereof) of Marshall's football schedule, and how it will affect the Herd's ability to reach it's goals nationally. If you can't handle a little scrutiny from me, you DAMN SURE aren't going to be able to handle it from people outside CUSA. Because Marshall's schedule will continue to be a hotly discussed issue as your school attempts to move higher in the rankings.

I particularly like your comment that LA Tech is a "drag on the conference". Never mind LA Tech has only been in the CUSA 1 year, and we've already won one CUSA men's basketball title, are favored to win another this season, and is clearly one of the favorites in the west to meet Marshall for the CUSA football title in December. That doesn't sound like a drag on the conference to me.

La Tech being a drag on the conference was in terms of delusional fans dragging us down.

And if its so obvious that schedules are made years in advance, then why do you continually bring up how its our fault? If you have an iq of 80, you can understand that our schedule would have been fine his season if realignment wouldn't have raped cusa and took louisville away.

And talkimg about conference members attacking members, the very ones on this board talking **** about sos are the S at the end. You are the majority of the schedule. This conference isn't as bad as the media would want you to believe.

(10-26-2014 10:51 AM)MUther Wrote:  Scrutinizing and criticizing our schedule is fine. Blaming us for it is where you are seeing people going ballistic. If you actually understand that schedules are made years in advance, then you would actually understand that last minute conference changes cannot be fixed overnight. We got the short end. It sucks, it happens, and nothing could have been done about it.

The only help we could have received this year is our conference mates stepping up and winning a few OOC games against some of that outstanding competition they scheduled. Unfortunately, some of them lost to FCS schools instead and further ****** us.

Here's where the argument falls flat. Marshall only had one P5 team scheduled, Louisville. ECU had 3 P5's scheduled - UNC, SC and VT. MOST of the time SC and VT are both going to be really good. Even though they're both down right now most people would agree that they've still got good overall programs and better talent than any team Marshall is facing. I'd say the same about UNC to be honest. UNC just has poor coaching.

If Marshall had more than just Louisville as a P5 opponent nobody would be bitching about Marshall's SOS.

(10-27-2014 01:09 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 10:51 AM)MUther Wrote:  Scrutinizing and criticizing our schedule is fine. Blaming us for it is where you are seeing people going ballistic. If you actually understand that schedules are made years in advance, then you would actually understand that last minute conference changes cannot be fixed overnight. We got the short end. It sucks, it happens, and nothing could have been done about it.

The only help we could have received this year is our conference mates stepping up and winning a few OOC games against some of that outstanding competition they scheduled. Unfortunately, some of them lost to FCS schools instead and further ****** us.

Here's where the argument falls flat. Marshall only had one P5 team scheduled, Louisville. ECU had 3 P5's scheduled - UNC, SC and VT. MOST of the time SC and VT are both going to be really good. Even though they're both down right now most people would agree that they've still got good overall programs and better talent than any team Marshall is facing. I'd say the same about UNC to be honest. UNC just has poor coaching.

If Marshall had more than just Louisville as a P5 opponent nobody would be bitching about Marshall's SOS.

And this is where ECU posters miss the point. You are much more fascinated with the name on the other side's chest.

MTSU would beat UNC by 10 points...

And look, the entire argument for ECU is based on who you played. I'm sorry, and I hate to simplify things down to it's base form, but 8-0 is still better than 6-1.

Here's what the committee will look at...

ECU win % of opponents to date = 37%
ECU win % of remaining opponents = 37%

Marshall win % of opponents to date 36%
Marshall win % of remaining opponents = 47% (not taking into consideration possible CUSA championship)

The point is, its not this dramatic cliff of a difference ECU people believe it to be.

(10-27-2014 01:37 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 01:09 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 10:51 AM)MUther Wrote:  Scrutinizing and criticizing our schedule is fine. Blaming us for it is where you are seeing people going ballistic. If you actually understand that schedules are made years in advance, then you would actually understand that last minute conference changes cannot be fixed overnight. We got the short end. It sucks, it happens, and nothing could have been done about it.

The only help we could have received this year is our conference mates stepping up and winning a few OOC games against some of that outstanding competition they scheduled. Unfortunately, some of them lost to FCS schools instead and further ****** us.

Here's where the argument falls flat. Marshall only had one P5 team scheduled, Louisville. ECU had 3 P5's scheduled - UNC, SC and VT. MOST of the time SC and VT are both going to be really good. Even though they're both down right now most people would agree that they've still got good overall programs and better talent than any team Marshall is facing. I'd say the same about UNC to be honest. UNC just has poor coaching.

If Marshall had more than just Louisville as a P5 opponent nobody would be bitching about Marshall's SOS.

And this is where ECU posters miss the point. You are much more fascinated with the name on the other side's chest.

MTSU would beat UNC by 10 points...

And look, the entire argument for ECU is based on who you played. I'm sorry, and I hate to simplify things down to it's base form, but 8-0 is still better than 6-1.

Here's what the committee will look at...

ECU win % of opponents to date = 37%
ECU win % of remaining opponents = 37%

Marshall win % of opponents to date 36%
Marshall win % of remaining opponents = 47% (not taking into consideration possible CUSA championship)

The point is, its not this dramatic cliff of a difference ECU people believe it to be.

Wow, and you're saying I'm missing the point. There's no way to prove any of your claims here. How do you know MTSU would beat UNC by 10? You don't know that. You don't know that at all. In fact, Memphis blew the doors off MTSU and I'm not sure Memphis would beat UNC. The AAC teams are playing more P5 opponents than CUSA so that has something to do with the win %. All wins are not created equal so it's never as simple as breaking things down into number of wins.

Y'all say VT, UNC and SC suck but guess what... there's a somewhat decent chance that all 3 will go bowling.

UNC is 4-4 and 2-2 in the ACC right now. Their losses are to us, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech and Clemson. Three of those teams are top 25 right now.

Virginia Tech (4-4) is having a bad year (for VT) so I'll give you that but they could STILL make a bowl game. Same would apply to SC as they only need 2 more wins to get bowl eligible.

(10-27-2014 01:51 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 01:37 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 01:09 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 10:51 AM)MUther Wrote:  Scrutinizing and criticizing our schedule is fine. Blaming us for it is where you are seeing people going ballistic. If you actually understand that schedules are made years in advance, then you would actually understand that last minute conference changes cannot be fixed overnight. We got the short end. It sucks, it happens, and nothing could have been done about it.

The only help we could have received this year is our conference mates stepping up and winning a few OOC games against some of that outstanding competition they scheduled. Unfortunately, some of them lost to FCS schools instead and further ****** us.

Here's where the argument falls flat. Marshall only had one P5 team scheduled, Louisville. ECU had 3 P5's scheduled - UNC, SC and VT. MOST of the time SC and VT are both going to be really good. Even though they're both down right now most people would agree that they've still got good overall programs and better talent than any team Marshall is facing. I'd say the same about UNC to be honest. UNC just has poor coaching.

If Marshall had more than just Louisville as a P5 opponent nobody would be bitching about Marshall's SOS.

And this is where ECU posters miss the point. You are much more fascinated with the name on the other side's chest.

MTSU would beat UNC by 10 points...

And look, the entire argument for ECU is based on who you played. I'm sorry, and I hate to simplify things down to it's base form, but 8-0 is still better than 6-1.

Here's what the committee will look at...

ECU win % of opponents to date = 37%
ECU win % of remaining opponents = 37%

Marshall win % of opponents to date 36%
Marshall win % of remaining opponents = 47% (not taking into consideration possible CUSA championship)

The point is, its not this dramatic cliff of a difference ECU people believe it to be.

Wow, and you're saying I'm missing the point. There's no way to prove any of your claims here. How do you know MTSU would beat UNC by 10? You don't know that. You don't know that at all. In fact, Memphis blew the doors off MTSU and I'm not sure Memphis would beat UNC. The AAC teams are playing more P5 opponents than CUSA so that has something to do with the win %. All wins are not created equal so it's never as simple as breaking things down into number of wins.

Y'all say VT, UNC and SC suck but guess what... there's a somewhat decent chance that all 3 will go bowling.

UNC is 4-4 and 2-2 in the ACC right now. Their losses are to us, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech and Clemson. Three of those teams are top 25 right now.

Virginia Tech (4-4) is having a bad year (for VT) so I'll give you that but they could STILL make a bowl game. Same would apply to SC as they only need 2 more wins to get bowl eligible.

Good points. First of all, I only made one claim here. I'm basing that on the fact that I have seen MTSU play. They are better than the perception...that's MY POINT.

I'm trying to be as respectful as possible here, as I have said numerous times before. I hate that we are forced into this with ECU.

But let me leave you with this... MANY ECU posters were salivating this weekend when we were trailing FAU (another team much better than their record)...

And many more are calling that our worst performance (and it was) this year. We won 35-16.

Yet you just said "Memphis blew the doors off MTSU"...that score...36-17

Similar point spread...totally different perception on what took place. (I guess in the minds of ECU fans).

CUSA is 3-1 against the AAC this year. And yes, MTSU lost that day, but as I stated before, they are better than perceived...

(10-27-2014 01:09 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 10:51 AM)MUther Wrote:  Scrutinizing and criticizing our schedule is fine. Blaming us for it is where you are seeing people going ballistic. If you actually understand that schedules are made years in advance, then you would actually understand that last minute conference changes cannot be fixed overnight. We got the short end. It sucks, it happens, and nothing could have been done about it.

The only help we could have received this year is our conference mates stepping up and winning a few OOC games against some of that outstanding competition they scheduled. Unfortunately, some of them lost to FCS schools instead and further ****** us.

Here's where the argument falls flat. Marshall only had one P5 team scheduled, Louisville. ECU had 3 P5's scheduled - UNC, SC and VT. MOST of the time SC and VT are both going to be really good. Even though they're both down right now most people would agree that they've still got good overall programs and better talent than any team Marshall is facing. I'd say the same about UNC to be honest. UNC just has poor coaching.

If Marshall had more than just Louisville as a P5 opponent nobody would be bitching about Marshall's SOS.

Who gives two s&^%$ if a school is P5 or not? All that matters is how good they are. One would think that of all schools, ECU would not fall for that manipulation.

(10-24-2014 10:48 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 10:40 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 10:07 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 06:56 PM)fedale Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 01:04 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Good article. However, I gotta agree with this sentence that I saw in one of the comments:


I lay this one at the feet of the Marshall AD. He knew he was going to have a good football team this year, yet he apparently did NOTHING to bolster his teams schedule in order to showcase the schools best team in school history. Why not? He really set Marshall up for failure.

You must not know how scheduling works, do you?

I'm so damn tired of making the point over and over and over again.

People think they are so intuitive about how our schedule turned out and they don't take the 5 minutes to research it or even think about it.

Apparently I know more about scheduling than you and your AD. While I know it can be difficult, it's certainly not impossible to schedule quality teams in the timeframe Marshall had left. I mean, Rhode Island? Come on. At least TRY!

By the way, this discussion has nothing to do with the quality of Marshall's football team, which I think is very good. To the contrary, poor scheduling by the administration could end up limiting the football team's "upside".

Regardless of the excuses, the quality of Marshall's schedule is going to remain the anchor around the Herd's neck throughout the 2014 season. Not saying they can't overcome it, but it's certainly going to make the climb to legitimacy more difficult.

Rhode Island was not his first call, it was his last resort. He did try. Your argument is the same thing as saying ECU knew they were gonna be good so they should have made sure VT, UNC, and USC would be good, too. You can only control what you can control. There was no one with the P5 moniker magically available inside a year's notice that could meet our needs. That's all there is to the story. Anything else is wrong and stems from ignorance. You don't know so you're spewing some perfect world viewpoint that can't jibe with reality.

No, I'm just telling you what the Achilles heel is for your football program in terms of garnering recognition, and that you're just gonna have to deal with it. You can beat Rhode Island 100-0, but nobody of importance in college football is going to care.

(10-27-2014 02:17 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 01:51 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 01:37 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 01:09 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 10:51 AM)MUther Wrote:  Scrutinizing and criticizing our schedule is fine. Blaming us for it is where you are seeing people going ballistic. If you actually understand that schedules are made years in advance, then you would actually understand that last minute conference changes cannot be fixed overnight. We got the short end. It sucks, it happens, and nothing could have been done about it.

The only help we could have received this year is our conference mates stepping up and winning a few OOC games against some of that outstanding competition they scheduled. Unfortunately, some of them lost to FCS schools instead and further ****** us.

Here's where the argument falls flat. Marshall only had one P5 team scheduled, Louisville. ECU had 3 P5's scheduled - UNC, SC and VT. MOST of the time SC and VT are both going to be really good. Even though they're both down right now most people would agree that they've still got good overall programs and better talent than any team Marshall is facing. I'd say the same about UNC to be honest. UNC just has poor coaching.

If Marshall had more than just Louisville as a P5 opponent nobody would be bitching about Marshall's SOS.

And this is where ECU posters miss the point. You are much more fascinated with the name on the other side's chest.

MTSU would beat UNC by 10 points...

And look, the entire argument for ECU is based on who you played. I'm sorry, and I hate to simplify things down to it's base form, but 8-0 is still better than 6-1.

Here's what the committee will look at...

ECU win % of opponents to date = 37%
ECU win % of remaining opponents = 37%

Marshall win % of opponents to date 36%
Marshall win % of remaining opponents = 47% (not taking into consideration possible CUSA championship)

The point is, its not this dramatic cliff of a difference ECU people believe it to be.

Wow, and you're saying I'm missing the point. There's no way to prove any of your claims here. How do you know MTSU would beat UNC by 10? You don't know that. You don't know that at all. In fact, Memphis blew the doors off MTSU and I'm not sure Memphis would beat UNC. The AAC teams are playing more P5 opponents than CUSA so that has something to do with the win %. All wins are not created equal so it's never as simple as breaking things down into number of wins.

Y'all say VT, UNC and SC suck but guess what... there's a somewhat decent chance that all 3 will go bowling.

UNC is 4-4 and 2-2 in the ACC right now. Their losses are to us, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech and Clemson. Three of those teams are top 25 right now.

Virginia Tech (4-4) is having a bad year (for VT) so I'll give you that but they could STILL make a bowl game. Same would apply to SC as they only need 2 more wins to get bowl eligible.

Good points. First of all, I only made one claim here. I'm basing that on the fact that I have seen MTSU play. They are better than the perception...that's MY POINT.

I'm trying to be as respectful as possible here, as I have said numerous times before. I hate that we are forced into this with ECU.

But let me leave you with this... MANY ECU posters were salivating this weekend when we were trailing FAU (another team much better than their record)...

And many more are calling that our worst performance (and it was) this year. We won 35-16.

Yet you just said "Memphis blew the doors off MTSU"...that score...36-17

Similar point spread...totally different perception on what took place. (I guess in the minds of ECU fans).

CUSA is 3-1 against the AAC this year. And yes, MTSU lost that day, but as I stated before, they are better than perceived...

Also, he claims that the AAC has played more p5 teams and thats why the winning percentage is lower.... I am not gonna look that up, but i bet you it is damn close in total number with p5 teams played with the 2 conferences overall. And the uktimate factor, cusa is 3-1 vs the AAC.

(10-27-2014 02:17 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 01:51 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  [quote='rileylives' pid='11297882' dateline='1414435028']
Wow, and you're saying I'm missing the point. There's no way to prove any of your claims here. How do you know MTSU would beat UNC by 10? You don't know that. You don't know that at all. In fact, Memphis blew the doors off MTSU and I'm not sure Memphis would beat UNC. The AAC teams are playing more P5 opponents than CUSA so that has something to do with the win %. All wins are not created equal so it's never as simple as breaking things down into number of wins.

Y'all say VT, UNC and SC suck but guess what... there's a somewhat decent chance that all 3 will go bowling.

UNC is 4-4 and 2-2 in the ACC right now. Their losses are to us, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech and Clemson. Three of those teams are top 25 right now.

Virginia Tech (4-4) is having a bad year (for VT) so I'll give you that but they could STILL make a bowl game. Same would apply to SC as they only need 2 more wins to get bowl eligible.

Good points. First of all, I only made one claim here. I'm basing that on the fact that I have seen MTSU play. They are better than the perception...that's MY POINT.

I'm trying to be as respectful as possible here, as I have said numerous times before. I hate that we are forced into this with ECU.

But let me leave you with this... MANY ECU posters were salivating this weekend when we were trailing FAU (another team much better than their record)...

Of course we were. If Marshall loses it removes all doubt.

(10-27-2014 02:17 PM)rileylives Wrote:  And many more are calling that our worst performance (and it was) this year. We won 35-16.

Yet you just said "Memphis blew the doors off MTSU"...that score...36-17

Similar point spread...totally different perception on what took place. (I guess in the minds of ECU fans).

Not really since you had to tack on another TD during garbage time.

(10-27-2014 02:17 PM)rileylives Wrote:  CUSA is 3-1 against the AAC this year. And yes, MTSU lost that day, but as I stated before, they are better than perceived...

CUSA has 3 wins vs the AAC's worst teams. Congratulations?

Bottom line is we've played 3 opponents that are probably better teams than anything on your schedule. All 3 of them could possibly end up in a bowl game looking at the rest of their schedules. I feel certain that SC and UNC will be bowling, even if they barely make it.

Marshall only attempted to schedule one Power 5 team. Like it or not, perception matters and more often than not the perception holds true as evidenced by CUSA champion USUALLY losing to the SEC #8, 9 team.

(10-27-2014 02:41 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  CUSA has 3 wins vs the AAC's worst teams. Congratulations?

Houston one of your worst teams? Really?

That would be news to Memphis and Temple.

(10-27-2014 02:47 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 02:41 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  CUSA has 3 wins vs the AAC's worst teams. Congratulations?

Houston one of your worst teams? Really?

That would be news to Memphis and Temple.

Before swapping out O'Korn at QB, yes they were.

(10-27-2014 02:41 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Y'all say VT, UNC and SC suck but guess what... there's a somewhat decent chance that all 3 will go bowling. CUSA has 3 wins vs the AAC's worst teams. Congratulations?

Decent? I beg to differ!

Va Tech is 4-4 and still have to play Boston College and Virginia at home and Duke on the road. Va Tech just got smashed by Miami at home and the three teams above are just as good as Miami. You still think Va Tech got a decent shot at getting to a bowl game? Three of 4 Va Tech losses have come at home. That's not decent at all.

UNC is 4-4 and still has to play at Miami and Duke but get Pitt and NC State at home. I guess you can call that a decent shot at two wins. They ain't gonna beat Miami and Duke and NC State is a rival game. The State game could come down to one of those teams becoming bowl eligible.

SC is 4-4 but they have a very soft schedule the rest of the way so they will definitely go to a bowl game.

As far as the AAC's worst teams, I don't think Houston is one of the AAC's worst teams and we can't help that Tulsa and SMU has stunk it up. They represent the AAC and they got their asses kicked. Stop making excuses for losing three games to CUSA because deep down inside, it makes you sick that CUSA won those games.