"We are really good at running the ball, one of the best, but not all that great at passing the ball. Our opponent knows this, and even though they aren't particularly good at stopping the run, let's trick them by doing the exact opposite of what we're good at during crucial points in the game. It's a fool proof plan."

This game was won in spite of the Toledo coaching staff out-coaching themselves. I don't remember ever being as astonished by the stupid play calling as I was today. Hey coach, when you're good at something, focus on your strength, impose your will, and make your opponent show you that they can beat you at your game.

I don't know about Campbell but our DC game plan sheet each week involves crayons, big circles, and perhaps some stick figures...

(10-26-2014 12:56 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  I don't know about Campbell but our DC game plan sheet each week involves crayons, big circles, and perhaps some stick figures...

Disagree. We have not learned to use a crayon, we are still sitting and eating the glue stick...


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4-0

(10-26-2014 07:03 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  4-0

It seems so easy sometimes, but think about it. Toledo's running game is built on mixing up the play calls. I am really impressed with how even the run and pass yards are every week. If Toledo didn't take this approach, the run game would be much less effective facing 8 in the box, in spite of having 5 Seniors on the O-Line, and couple great backs. I think we need to go down field more, but it is working well otherwise. The plays have been more down and distance related this year compared to the last several seasons. That is an improvement that merits mentioning. Otherwise, Toledo simply needs to execute better. Thankfully the week off is behind them.

Interesting post from an ESPN Board. "Whale a lot of teams try to keep the defense on the field to wear them out, Toledo employs the opposite strategy, trying to tire the offense out by letting them score so much. SMH!" Mystery solved!!!

(10-26-2014 07:39 AM)PTLROCK Wrote:  It seems so easy sometimes, but think about it. Toledo's running game is built on mixing up the play calls. I am really impressed with how even the run and pass yards are every week. If Toledo didn't take this approach, the run game would be much less effective facing 8 in the box, in spite of having 5 Seniors on the O-Line, and couple great backs. I think we need to go down field more, but it is working well otherwise. The plays have been more down and distance related this year compared to the last several seasons. That is an improvement that merits mentioning. Otherwise, Toledo simply needs to execute better. Thankfully the week off is behind them.

Maybe the next time we get a bye week, we could still hold a few practices...

(10-26-2014 12:20 AM)tjt1980 Wrote:  "We are really good at running the ball, one of the best, but not all that great at passing the ball. Our opponent knows this, and even though they aren't particularly good at stopping the run, let's trick them by doing the exact opposite of what we're good at during crucial points in the game. It's a fool proof plan."

This game was won in spite of the Toledo coaching staff out-coaching themselves. I don't remember ever being as astonished by the stupid play calling as I was today. Hey coach, when you're good at something, focus on your strength, impose your will, and make your opponent show you that they can beat you at your game.

Actually the game was won because the coaching staff can recruit enough talent to usually overcome any current deficiencies in their coaching skills against an "average" opponent. As I have said before, so long as they able to recruit talent at the same level and coach at the same level we can expect 7-5 and 8-4 type seasons but not that occasional 11-1 or 10-2 seasons that require great talent, great coaching and a lot of good luck w/r to injuries and refs. The Rockets did what they needed to win the game and at present are favorites to win the MAC, albeit in a down year for the MAC---although that is certainly not yet a done deal.

Hopefully the staff will continue to grow their skills while maintaining their ability to recruit and we will get at least one of those "special" 11-1 type ranked teams from them before they move on up the corporate coaching ladder.

(10-26-2014 05:55 AM)Rocketand2nuts Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 12:56 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  I don't know about Campbell but our DC game plan sheet each week involves crayons, big circles, and perhaps some stick figures...

Disagree. We have not learned to use a crayon, we are still sitting and eating the glue stick...

LOL!

I like how he went onto the field to argue a penalty, but the flag was actually against UMASS, and in turn he cost UT a sideline infraction penalty.

May not have ever seen a coach argue with the officials on a favorable call. And it was fairly obvious what the original flag was for.

(10-26-2014 10:58 AM)owen Wrote:  I like how he went onto the field to argue a penalty, but the flag was actually against UMASS, and in turn he cost UT a sideline infraction penalty.

May not have ever seen a coach argue with the officials on a favorable call. And it was fairly obvious what the original flag was for.

There was no flag thrown by the side judge (or whatever the ref is called who stands on the LOS). So Campbell probably thought there was no penalty. So that's why he went nuts. I never saw a flag thrown for 12 men on the field, but someone says the backjudge threw it??? The only flag I saw was the one thrown on Campbell after/at the end of the play. So it was not fairly obvious what the flag was for. Everyone sitting around me was going nuts, yelling for a flag because we didn't see one for 12 men.

(10-26-2014 11:04 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 10:58 AM)owen Wrote:  I like how he went onto the field to argue a penalty, but the flag was actually against UMASS, and in turn he cost UT a sideline infraction penalty.

May not have ever seen a coach argue with the officials on a favorable call. And it was fairly obvious what the original flag was for.

There was no flag thrown by the side judge (or whatever the ref is called who stands on the LOS). So Campbell probably thought there was no penalty. So that's why he went nuts. I never saw a flag thrown for 12 men on the field, but someone says the backjudge threw it??? The only flag I saw was the one thrown on Campbell after/at the end of the play. So it was not fairly obvious what the flag was for. Everyone sitting around me was going nuts, yelling for a flag because we didn't see one for 12 men.

The side judge was directly in front of me and threw the rag for the 12 men penalty ( I think). Campbell had just stepped on the field when it was thrown and the guy pointed at UMass. Another ref followed w a flag when Campbell got several steps out, IIRC.

UMASS has a horrible corner than we were attempting to go after. UMASS disguises every defensive scheme like an NFL team, so they had safeties and lbs playing coverage over that corner so the passing on the first drive was probably because of that miss match we thought we had. We also missed a ton of open guys... Passing could have worked if Logan had a better day, and it wasn't so windy maybe. Either way Kareem had a good day, and the Rockets are 4-0.

(10-26-2014 05:55 AM)Rocketand2nuts Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 12:56 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  I don't know about Campbell but our DC game plan sheet each week involves crayons, big circles, and perhaps some stick figures...

Disagree. We have not learned to use a crayon, we are still sitting and eating the glue stick...

Somebody had an interesting childhood.

(10-26-2014 11:49 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 11:04 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 10:58 AM)owen Wrote:  I like how he went onto the field to argue a penalty, but the flag was actually against UMASS, and in turn he cost UT a sideline infraction penalty.

May not have ever seen a coach argue with the officials on a favorable call. And it was fairly obvious what the original flag was for.

There was no flag thrown by the side judge (or whatever the ref is called who stands on the LOS). So Campbell probably thought there was no penalty. So that's why he went nuts. I never saw a flag thrown for 12 men on the field, but someone says the backjudge threw it??? The only flag I saw was the one thrown on Campbell after/at the end of the play. So it was not fairly obvious what the flag was for. Everyone sitting around me was going nuts, yelling for a flag because we didn't see one for 12 men.

I never saw the flag and was one of the many yelling for it. The next thing I saw was a fracas over on the Toledo sideline and a bunch of coaches going after one of the coaches. Are you sure the flag was on Campbell? If so, why did they push, shove and literally carry another coach out of the way of the ref? What the hell did he do? For a moment it looked like there was a fight among the Toledo coaches.

No ref in the UMass backfield threw a flag - if he did, then it would have had to be the same color as the turf because I never saw it and I was looking all over for it. I also thought they missed it and still think they were not going to call it until everyone on the UT sideline was going crazy.
The side judge was directly in front of me and threw the rag for the 12 men penalty ( I think). Campbell had just stepped on the field when it was thrown and the guy pointed at UMass. Another ref followed w a flag when Campbell got several steps out, IIRC.

(10-26-2014 07:39 AM)PTLROCK Wrote:  It seems so easy sometimes, but think about it. Toledo's running game is built on mixing up the play calls. I am really impressed with how even the run and pass yards are every week. If Toledo didn't take this approach, the run game would be much less effective facing 8 in the box, in spite of having 5 Seniors on the O-Line, and couple great backs. I think we need to go down field more, but it is working well otherwise. The plays have been more down and distance related this year compared to the last several seasons. That is an improvement that merits mentioning. Otherwise, Toledo simply needs to execute better. Thankfully the week off is behind them.

I agree with this 100% and I'm glad somebody made this point because it it seems like people seriously think we should be running the ball as often as The Navy and that it would make our offense unstoppable. I think it's pretty clear that we need to show the pass often enough for defenses to realize that it can come at any time and that we did that to near perfection yesterday. Otherwise the defense will sell out to stop the run, which still doesn't always work, but we do get stuffed often enough on goal line/short yardage situations where anything other than a run is highly improbable.

(10-26-2014 11:49 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 11:04 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 10:58 AM)owen Wrote:  I like how he went onto the field to argue a penalty, but the flag was actually against UMASS, and in turn he cost UT a sideline infraction penalty.

May not have ever seen a coach argue with the officials on a favorable call. And it was fairly obvious what the original flag was for.

There was no flag thrown by the side judge (or whatever the ref is called who stands on the LOS). So Campbell probably thought there was no penalty. So that's why he went nuts. I never saw a flag thrown for 12 men on the field, but someone says the backjudge threw it??? The only flag I saw was the one thrown on Campbell after/at the end of the play. So it was not fairly obvious what the flag was for. Everyone sitting around me was going nuts, yelling for a flag because we didn't see one for 12 men.

The side judge was directly in front of me and threw the rag for the 12 men penalty ( I think). Campbell had just stepped on the field when it was thrown and the guy pointed at UMass. Another ref followed w a flag when Campbell got several steps out, IIRC.

The ref on the UT sideline threw the flag, or the one of the UMass sideline? I was on the UMass side and did not see a flag thrown. I was watching the ref that stands right on the LOS and he didn't even budge.

(10-26-2014 02:15 PM)therockets046 Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 07:39 AM)PTLROCK Wrote:  It seems so easy sometimes, but think about it. Toledo's running game is built on mixing up the play calls. I am really impressed with how even the run and pass yards are every week. If Toledo didn't take this approach, the run game would be much less effective facing 8 in the box, in spite of having 5 Seniors on the O-Line, and couple great backs. I think we need to go down field more, but it is working well otherwise. The plays have been more down and distance related this year compared to the last several seasons. That is an improvement that merits mentioning. Otherwise, Toledo simply needs to execute better. Thankfully the week off is behind them.

I agree with this 100% and I'm glad somebody made this point because it it seems like people seriously think we should be running the ball as often as The Navy and that it would make our offense unstoppable. I think it's pretty clear that we need to show the pass often enough for defenses to realize that it can come at any time and that we did that to near perfection yesterday. Otherwise the defense will sell out to stop the run, which still doesn't always work, but we do get stuffed often enough on goal line/short yardage situations where anything other than a run is highly improbable.

I like Woodside but I think the reason we don't throw more downfield is because we can't. Anything over 15 yards falls into the following categories: overthrown, wobbly, or behind.

(10-26-2014 02:21 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 11:49 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 11:04 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 10:58 AM)owen Wrote:  I like how he went onto the field to argue a penalty, but the flag was actually against UMASS, and in turn he cost UT a sideline infraction penalty.

May not have ever seen a coach argue with the officials on a favorable call. And it was fairly obvious what the original flag was for.

There was no flag thrown by the side judge (or whatever the ref is called who stands on the LOS). So Campbell probably thought there was no penalty. So that's why he went nuts. I never saw a flag thrown for 12 men on the field, but someone says the backjudge threw it??? The only flag I saw was the one thrown on Campbell after/at the end of the play. So it was not fairly obvious what the flag was for. Everyone sitting around me was going nuts, yelling for a flag because we didn't see one for 12 men.

The side judge was directly in front of me and threw the rag for the 12 men penalty ( I think). Campbell had just stepped on the field when it was thrown and the guy pointed at UMass. Another ref followed w a flag when Campbell got several steps out, IIRC.

The ref on the UT sideline threw the flag, or the one of the UMass sideline? I was on the UMass side and did not see a flag thrown. I was watching the ref that stands right on the LOS and he didn't even budge.

UT sideline. About five feet south of Campbell.