I wouldn't mind this...

Culturally, we're very different in North Florida.. and we have Live Oaks, they have palm Trees.

(10-23-2014 11:26 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 07:46 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The sea level is not rising in Miami. They just keep pouring so much concrete that the land is sinking.

Unfortunately, the data disagrees with you.

I recall reading an article describing how some south Florida cities have had to discontinue pumping some of their drinking water wells b/c of the encroaching coastal flooding. The remarkable part of that story was that they described that flooding on Miami Beach can happen on perfect sunny days…and not due to the flooding you would expect due to storms. While I agree that the land is likely sinking as well b/c most of it not all of south Florida is built on reclaimed swamp land that is likely minor the actual rise in sea level.

The important thing is for cool heads to work on this problem and not get distracted by the ‘liberal’ alarmists or the conservative “science ”. It’s not a problem that should be punted to the next generation b/c by then it will be too late. It’s not that folks expect Miami to become the new underwater Atlantis but rather to what I mentioned above where drinking water sources are compromised b/c of rising sea levels. Sadly, the two morons running for governor in Florida have turned this into a political football and they will likely both be taking dirt naps in 40 to 50 years when the sea level is expected to rise another 3 to 5 feet.

I live in Tampa and recently added many feet of pipe to my well, to make sure I had enough fresh water. The water level has changed quite a bit since I bought the property.

(10-23-2014 11:49 AM)GreenSteve Wrote:  I wouldn't mind this...

Culturally, we're very different in North Florida.. and we have Live Oaks, they have palm Trees.

In Tampa, I have many of both.

(10-23-2014 12:03 PM)USFHP Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 11:49 AM)GreenSteve Wrote:  I wouldn't mind this...

Culturally, we're very different in North Florida.. and we have Live Oaks, they have palm Trees.

In Tampa, I have many of both.

lmao so true. I've told a few people that Tampa has an identity crisis. You go to some parts of town and you think they are trying to be a Gulf Coast Ft Laud/Miami then you go to another area 15 minutes away and they just want to be just like Jacksonville

(10-22-2014 08:38 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  just a FYI, but USF IS a Flagship University. The state of Florida, by decree has three of them UF, FSU and USF.

Long out of date citation. No longer the case. Florida now recognizes UF and FSU as meeting enough criteria to receive special privileges above and beyond the other universities.

I doubt Orlando and Tampa want to go into a deal where they get dominated by Miami/FLL. Better to stay in North Florida and be the big dogs running the show.

(10-22-2014 04:32 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/...x=81738348

Quote:Officials in the City of South Miami have passed a resolution in favor of splitting the state in half so South Florida would become the 51st state.

Vice Mayor Walter Harris proposed the resolution and it passed with a 3-2 vote at the city commission meeting on Oct. 7.

Harris told the commission that Tallahassee isn't providing South Florida with proper representation or addressing its concerns when it comes to sea-level rising.

(10-23-2014 12:22 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 08:38 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  just a FYI, but USF IS a Flagship University. The state of Florida, by decree has three of them UF, FSU and USF.

Long out of date citation. No longer the case. Florida now recognizes UF and FSU as meeting enough criteria to receive special privileges above and beyond the other universities.

http://news.usf.edu/article/templates/de...rticle.htm

TAMPA, Fla. (Feb. 9, 2010) -- Florida's three Public Research -- Flagship Universities, the University of South Florida, Florida State University and the University of Florida, are educating Florida's mathematics and science teachers with support from PROMiSE (Partnership to Rejuvenate and Optimize Mathematics and Science Education in Florida), a grant funded by the U.S. Department of Education and awarded by the Florida Department of Education. Now totaling nearly $22 million, PROMiSE recently received its third and final installment of $7,829,513. The principal investigator of the project is USF's Gladis Kersaint, Ph.D., associate professor of mathematics education in the Secondary Education Department and senior research associate for the David C. Anchin Center.

http://jacksonville.com/news/politics/20...enate-bill


UF 'flagship’ status doesn’t last long, as critics attack Senate bill

FSU and USF have been added into wording for a bill for school flexibility.

Under the bill, the research institutions that qualify for the highest Carnegie classification - UF, FSU and USF - would be given more leeway to operate by the Board of Governors, which oversees the Florida's 11 universities.

http://www.quora.com/University-of-South-Florida


The University of South Florida, also known as USF, is a member institution of the State University System of Florida, one of the state's three flagship universities for public research, and is located in Tampa, Florida.

http://www.usforacle.com/news/view.php/6...rs-for-rec

A bill that once had the potential to overshadow USF could now name it one of the top schools in Florida.

When Florida Senate Bill 2442 was introduced in February, it sought to honor the top-ranked public research institution in the state - which would give the University of Florida (UF) the title of "Florida's flagship college."

But after protests from Florida State University (FSU) students, the Senate altered the wording of the bill so it didn't limit prestige to one school, rather three. And USF is one of them.

The bill, which is still being debated in the state's legislative session, will grant eligible schools with "the freedom to pursue an agenda on the global stage in fair competition with other institutions in other states."


USF Provost Ralph Wilcox said that, among Florida schools, competition couldn't be tougher.


"The proposed language rightly recognizes that universities with national and international impact have the greatest capacity to contribute to Florida's economic development - especially in the areas of life sciences, water, sustainability, energy and health care," he said.


For a school to receive the bill's recognition, it must meet the Carnegie Foundation criteria, which gauges "the quality of its students, national reputation of its faculty and research programs and the quantity of externally generated research." Universities also have to bring in more than $100 million in revenue from research.


The only public schools that fit this description are the UF, FSU and USF, which Wilcox said shouldn't come as a surprise.


http://www.ehow.com/list_6582374_florida...-list.html

Florida's State University System contains 10 public universities and one public college. The system has three flagship institutions that conduct the most research. In 2010, U.S. News & World Report magazine ranked two public universities in Florida among the nation's top 105 universities.

Yeah, I'm just a state bureaucrat in the education area. Some old newspaper articles are real swell. When they passed the latest iteration of the prestige bill that results in various autonomy for the universities, the criteria was written in a way that only UF and FSU qualify. Theoretically any other university can earn its way into that, but they'll no doubt raise the criteria before they let USF or UCF (who actually met more of the criteria based on student quality) in. It's been two years since that bill passed, and I believe there were 12 criteria and a university had to meet 10 of them. As I recall, UCF met 4 or 5 and USF met 2 or 3. New College was the only other institution that met more than 1, which was based on their high admissions standards.

(10-23-2014 02:51 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Yeah, I'm just a state bureaucrat in the education area. Some old newspaper articles are real swell. When they passed the latest iteration of the prestige bill that results in various autonomy for the universities, the criteria was written in a way that only UF and FSU qualify. Theoretically any other university can earn its way into that, but they'll no doubt raise the criteria before they let USF or UCF (who actually met more of the criteria based on student quality) in. It's been two years since that bill passed, and I believe there were 12 criteria and a university had to meet 10 of them. As I recall, UCF met 4 or 5 and USF met 2 or 3. New College was the only other institution that met more than 1, which was based on their high admissions standards.

Provide a link please.

We have been and still are a Flagship University. Nothing has changed. There was talk about moving some aspects around as far as autonomy to setting tuition but it never passed.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120.../120429615

This is what your referring to and it was vetoed. There were several criteria and most were written to exclude USF. They put stuff in there about endowment level and crap like that. It used arbitrary numbers that were just above where USF was at. I think it was something like $500 million endowment and were at $400 million.

I don't want to get into a huge USF/UCF pissing match but your remembering who had what wrong. USF has been ranked ahead of UCF for a while and our endowment has always been about 3 times your size. Along with our research being way ahead of yours and the fact we reached Tier 1 status well before.

UCF is a good academic school, but in those benchmark areas we are ahead of ya'll. It mainly is because USF was built to be a regional state university and UCF was more of a tech and engineering school initially so your mission was pretty focused and limited. (didn't say bad, just that your mission wasn't research) It wasn't till years later that your school mission was expanded...Initially your name was Florida Tech not UCF. The name alone implies the direction that your school was initially on.

There's lots of links that say USF is a flagship school...much more than I posted. If this isn't true, please provide appropriate links. USF was calling themselves a flagship in several of the articles (not that doing that is the final authority). I don't see how they could get away with calling themselves a "flagship" if it were not true. If it weren't true, every other school in Florida would be all over it.

I researched and found what hes talking about... UF and FSU got Pre-emanance status and receive $15 million extra in funding based off the 12 standards that were set. USF was third but just short.

That is separate from Flagship status. The motion by Florida Decree set all three as Flagship.... and USF is actually very close to reaching the pre-emanance status also.

(10-23-2014 03:17 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I researched and found what hes talking about... UF and FSU got Pre-emanance status and receive $15 million extra in funding based off the 12 standards that were set. USF was third but just short.

That is separate from Flagship status. The motion by Florida Decree set all three as Flagship.... and USF is actually very close to reaching the pre-emanance status also.

Oh but no! He was very clear about UCF being closer then USF. I mean a UCF fan wouldn't lie about a thing like that. Perhaps he just miss quoted.

Hey before we start creating new states out of existing states, can we at least try to give representation in congress to those of us who live in DC and pay federal taxes without any representation in the body that levies them?

(10-23-2014 11:26 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 07:46 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The sea level is not rising in Miami. They just keep pouring so much concrete that the land is sinking.

Unfortunately, the data disagrees with you.

I recall reading an article describing how some south Florida cities have had to discontinue pumping some of their drinking water wells b/c of the encroaching coastal flooding. The remarkable part of that story was that they described that flooding on Miami Beach can happen on perfect sunny days…and not due to the flooding you would expect due to storms. While I agree that the land is likely sinking as well b/c most of it not all of south Florida is built on reclaimed swamp land that is likely minor the actual rise in sea level.

The important thing is for cool heads to work on this problem and not get distracted by the ‘liberal’ alarmists or the conservative “science ”. It’s not a problem that should be punted to the next generation b/c by then it will be too late. It’s not that folks expect Miami to become the new underwater Atlantis but rather to what I mentioned above where drinking water sources are compromised b/c of rising sea levels. Sadly, the two morons running for governor in Florida have turned this into a political football and they will likely both be taking dirt naps in 40 to 50 years when the sea level is expected to rise another 3 to 5 feet.

Nobody I mean nobody listened and look what happened to Venice Italy.

Proof of global warming. Oh wait. Never mind.

Maybe cities shouldnt be built in swamps and act shocked when they sink

We are witnessing the beginnings of a new Dark Ages. People are just flat out stupid

(10-23-2014 03:19 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 03:17 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I researched and found what hes talking about... UF and FSU got Pre-emanance status and receive $15 million extra in funding based off the 12 standards that were set. USF was third but just short.

That is separate from Flagship status. The motion by Florida Decree set all three as Flagship.... and USF is actually very close to reaching the pre-emanance status also.

Oh but no! He was very clear about UCF being closer then USF. I mean a UCF fan wouldn't lie about a thing like that. Perhaps he just miss quoted.

These are the standards... USF meets many of them but some of them are totally biased to try to eliminate anyone other then UF. The original draft would have made it so FSU didn't get in but they changed some stuff and made it to eliminate all but the two.

Average GPA is close and hit the mark the last couple times but we have to average over a period of time. We should hit it within a year or two. Only UF has the top 50 rank. Our freshman retention and 6 year is very close. WE have 5 of 6 national academy members. We already are at Both research rankings and on STEM expenditures, and we have the mid 300s on Doctorals... so if we can add $70 million to endowment then we have that or we have to add about 70 Doctorate graduates... Both will happen within 2 years.

The truth is, we really aren't far off at all. Most of those marks were so close that we should be there within 5 years and could be done within 2-3.

• Average GPA of 4.0 and SAT score of 1800 for incoming freshman;
• A current top 50 ranking as reflected in highly respected national
ranking metrics;
• A freshman retention rate of 90 percent;
• A six-year graduation rate of 70 percent;
• Six or more faculty members with National Academy status;
• Total research expenditures of $200 million or more in the
sciences;
• Total research expenditures of $150 million or more in the nonmedical
sciences;
• A top-100 national ranking in research expenditures in five or
more STEM-related fields;
• One-hundred or more patents awarded for the most recent
3-year period;
• Four-hundred or more doctoral degrees awarded annually;
• Two-hundred or more post-doctoral degrees awarded annually;
and
• An endowment of $500 million or more.

At 69K+ students and the continuing expansion plans, at some point isn't UCF going to seriously become a pain in UF's rear regarding "flagship"?

(10-23-2014 09:52 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  At 69K+ students and the continuing expansion plans, at some point isn't UCF going to seriously become a pain in UF's rear regarding "flagship"?

I think that number is actually around 61k but I get your point. UF is firmly in control of the flagship status, and they don't share. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

(10-23-2014 03:58 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  Hey before we start creating new states out of existing states, can we at least try to give representation in congress to those of us who live in DC and pay federal taxes without any representation in the body that levies them?

Yall knew the deal when you moved there. It is that way for a reason. Heck just make DC smaller, to encompass governmental buildings. You can join Maryland or Virginia. They would love to add to their tax base. Win/Win.