(10-22-2014 04:56 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Lol , really suspended for not paying taxes ? Do they currently suspend players for not paying their credit card debt ?

UT makes 82 million a year closely in profit, that 6 million dollar hit is not that much for them.

The problem with college football is that not all athletes want a college education, people need to realize that. Is a college degree a great tool for life , yes. Do all people feel the need to attend college ........no. So essentially the NCAA has been mandating athletes who want to play pro to attend college.

I think this is great , except for the schools who cant afford it like JMU.

Tons of schools can't afford it. That means the level of separation between schools, and the quality of the teams they field will be based even more on money. If an athlete doesn't want a college education then he shouldn't go to college duhhhh. NCAA has been mandating that if you want to play pro, you go to school????? If you are Lebron and you are physically strong enough and talented to go pro out of high school, and you don't want a college education, you go pro. Pretty sure the ncaa couldn't stop Lebron, just like they can't stop all of the athletes that leave early and never graduate.
This doesn't change anything with regards to whether someone wants to go to school or not, unless you think people will now attend four full years of college for 10 grand a year, that otherwise wouldn't.
This is a terrible path for college sports, and will drive a massive rift between the have and have nots, it will also lead to spiraling of costs, this is just the beginning. Wait until the sense of intitlement for certain athletes spirals out of control as well. Just awful

as long as this leads to the P5 finally splitting away, I honestly don't care anymore.
I've already viewed them as minor league pro football for a long time.
Just get it over with.

(10-22-2014 05:15 PM)JMU Wrote:  This is really gonna suck. The number of stories reporting players stealing $32 worth of crab legs and $1 Burger King fountain drinks are going to significantly decrease in the future.

If professional players making half a million are willing to steal a pair of drawers and some cheap cologne, I don't think 10k is going to limit stupid college kids trying to swipe some seafood.

(10-22-2014 06:46 PM)JMUSuperfan2000 Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 05:15 PM)JMU Wrote:  This is really gonna suck. The number of stories reporting players stealing $32 worth of crab legs and $1 Burger King fountain drinks are going to significantly decrease in the future.

If professional players making half a million are willing to steal a pair of drawers and some cheap cologne, I don't think 10k is going to limit stupid college kids trying to swipe some seafood.

Good, then there is hope.

(10-22-2014 05:39 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 04:56 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Lol , really suspended for not paying taxes ? Do they currently suspend players for not paying their credit card debt ?

UT makes 82 million a year closely in profit, that 6 million dollar hit is not that much for them.

The problem with college football is that not all athletes want a college education, people need to realize that. Is a college degree a great tool for life , yes. Do all people feel the need to attend college ........no. So essentially the NCAA has been mandating athletes who want to play pro to attend college.

I think this is great , except for the schools who cant afford it like JMU.

Tons of schools can't afford it. That means the level of separation between schools, and the quality of the teams they field will be based even more on money. If an athlete doesn't want a college education then he shouldn't go to college duhhhh. NCAA has been mandating that if you want to play pro, you go to school????? If you are Lebron and you are physically strong enough and talented to go pro out of high school, and you don't want a college education, you go pro. Pretty sure the ncaa couldn't stop Lebron, just like they can't stop all of the athletes that leave early and never graduate.
This doesn't change anything with regards to whether someone wants to go to school or not, unless you think people will now attend four full years of college for 10 grand a year, that otherwise wouldn't.
This is a terrible path for college sports, and will drive a massive rift between the have and have nots, it will also lead to spiraling of costs, this is just the beginning. Wait until the sense of intitlement for certain athletes spirals out of control as well. Just awful

NFL requires you to be three years removed from HS. So in order to get film you have to play college. The NCAA imo set the stage for this requirement, farm system.

So is this the deal: players at P5 getting paid 10 grand a year over their regular scholly (tuitition/board) is a bad thing, but their coaches getting millions a year is no big deal?

(10-22-2014 07:00 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 05:39 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 04:56 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Lol , really suspended for not paying taxes ? Do they currently suspend players for not paying their credit card debt ?

UT makes 82 million a year closely in profit, that 6 million dollar hit is not that much for them.

The problem with college football is that not all athletes want a college education, people need to realize that. Is a college degree a great tool for life , yes. Do all people feel the need to attend college ........no. So essentially the NCAA has been mandating athletes who want to play pro to attend college.

I think this is great , except for the schools who cant afford it like JMU.

Tons of schools can't afford it. That means the level of separation between schools, and the quality of the teams they field will be based even more on money. If an athlete doesn't want a college education then he shouldn't go to college duhhhh. NCAA has been mandating that if you want to play pro, you go to school????? If you are Lebron and you are physically strong enough and talented to go pro out of high school, and you don't want a college education, you go pro. Pretty sure the ncaa couldn't stop Lebron, just like they can't stop all of the athletes that leave early and never graduate.
This doesn't change anything with regards to whether someone wants to go to school or not, unless you think people will now attend four full years of college for 10 grand a year, that otherwise wouldn't.
This is a terrible path for college sports, and will drive a massive rift between the have and have nots, it will also lead to spiraling of costs, this is just the beginning. Wait until the sense of intitlement for certain athletes spirals out of control as well. Just awful

NFL requires you to be three years removed from HS. So in order to get film you have to play college. The NCAA imo set the stage for this requirement, farm system.

But this applies to ALL student athletes. If you are a scholarship women's water polo player at UT you will get $10,000. You said you think this is great, great for the small number of athletes that don't want to get a college degree, but are forced to go for three years to go to the NFL, and the money will be incentive. That's a pretty awful argument for why this is great. You said the NCAA mandates that athletes go to college, and then say it's a NFL policy that the NCAA may have tried to push. The NFL can make any policy they want. Bottom line is this affects all sports where athletes can choose to do whatever they want when they want. There is NOTHING good that will come of this. It will lead to out of control spending. Just wait until starting quarterbacks begin making the case that using their "name" is worth far more than the same $5,000 that everyone else is getting. Playing for FUN, Playing for PRIDE, playing for an EDUCATION all just became deemphasized.

(10-22-2014 07:16 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  So is this the deal: players at P5 getting paid 10 grand a year over their regular scholly (tuitition/board) is a bad thing, but their coaches getting millions a year is no big deal?

If I accept an internship at a Fortune 500 company with the notion that I am there to learn and better my future, then what they are paying the CEO should not matter.

(10-22-2014 07:45 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:16 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  So is this the deal: players at P5 getting paid 10 grand a year over their regular scholly (tuitition/board) is a bad thing, but their coaches getting millions a year is no big deal?

If I accept an internship at a Fortune 500 company with the notion that I am there to learn and better my future, then what they are paying the CEO should not matter.

Bingo.

(10-22-2014 08:15 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:45 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:16 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  So is this the deal: players at P5 getting paid 10 grand a year over their regular scholly (tuitition/board) is a bad thing, but their coaches getting millions a year is no big deal?

If I accept an internship at a Fortune 500 company with the notion that I am there to learn and better my future, then what they are paying the CEO should not matter.

Bingo.

Is the 7-8 figure CEO's job on the line based on the unpaid/low paid intern's performance?

Alright then. Ugh


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(10-22-2014 08:25 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 08:15 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:45 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:16 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  So is this the deal: players at P5 getting paid 10 grand a year over their regular scholly (tuitition/board) is a bad thing, but their coaches getting millions a year is no big deal?

If I accept an internship at a Fortune 500 company with the notion that I am there to learn and better my future, then what they are paying the CEO should not matter.

Bingo.

Is the 7-8 figure CEO's job on the line based on the unpaid/low paid intern's performance?

You can't seriously be making the argument that we need to pay these kids more because the coaches are being paid more. Maybe we should start paying kids with academic scholarships as well, and if the president or dean gets paid a bunch of money, then the scholarship student should get paid a bunch because their level of learning is tied to his/her performance. No one has made a good case for how taking these athletes "pay" to the next level is going to be a GOOD thing.

(10-22-2014 07:41 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:00 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 05:39 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 04:56 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Lol , really suspended for not paying taxes ? Do they currently suspend players for not paying their credit card debt ?

UT makes 82 million a year closely in profit, that 6 million dollar hit is not that much for them.

The problem with college football is that not all athletes want a college education, people need to realize that. Is a college degree a great tool for life , yes. Do all people feel the need to attend college ........no. So essentially the NCAA has been mandating athletes who want to play pro to attend college.

I think this is great , except for the schools who cant afford it like JMU.

Tons of schools can't afford it. That means the level of separation between schools, and the quality of the teams they field will be based even more on money. If an athlete doesn't want a college education then he shouldn't go to college duhhhh. NCAA has been mandating that if you want to play pro, you go to school????? If you are Lebron and you are physically strong enough and talented to go pro out of high school, and you don't want a college education, you go pro. Pretty sure the ncaa couldn't stop Lebron, just like they can't stop all of the athletes that leave early and never graduate.
This doesn't change anything with regards to whether someone wants to go to school or not, unless you think people will now attend four full years of college for 10 grand a year, that otherwise wouldn't.
This is a terrible path for college sports, and will drive a massive rift between the have and have nots, it will also lead to spiraling of costs, this is just the beginning. Wait until the sense of intitlement for certain athletes spirals out of control as well. Just awful

NFL requires you to be three years removed from HS. So in order to get film you have to play college. The NCAA imo set the stage for this requirement, farm system.

But this applies to ALL student athletes. If you are a scholarship women's water polo player at UT you will get $10,000. You said you think this is great, great for the small number of athletes that don't want to get a college degree, but are forced to go for three years to go to the NFL, and the money will be incentive. That's a pretty awful argument for why this is great. You said the NCAA mandates that athletes go to college, and then say it's a NFL policy that the NCAA may have tried to push. The NFL can make any policy they want. Bottom line is this affects all sports where athletes can choose to do whatever they want when they want. There is NOTHING good that will come of this. It will lead to out of control spending. Just wait until starting quarterbacks begin making the case that using their "name" is worth far more than the same $5,000 that everyone else is getting. Playing for FUN, Playing for PRIDE, playing for an EDUCATION all just became deemphasized.

Became that wh when tv contracts and coaches making 7million a year started to be public news.

(10-22-2014 08:37 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 08:25 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 08:15 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:45 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:16 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  So is this the deal: players at P5 getting paid 10 grand a year over their regular scholly (tuitition/board) is a bad thing, but their coaches getting millions a year is no big deal?

If I accept an internship at a Fortune 500 company with the notion that I am there to learn and better my future, then what they are paying the CEO should not matter.

Bingo.

Is the 7-8 figure CEO's job on the line based on the unpaid/low paid intern's performance?

You can't seriously be making the argument that we need to pay these kids more because the coaches are being paid more. Maybe we should start paying kids with academic scholarships as well, and if the president or dean gets paid a bunch of money, then the scholarship student should get paid a bunch because their level of learning is tied to his/her performance. No one has made a good case for how taking these athletes "pay" to the next level is going to be a GOOD thing.

No, I'm just saying we have 2 problems here. As long as you have multi million dollar coaches with huge $$ at stake on games there's always going to be widespread academic fraud, corruption, and cheating.

We'd be better off if the NFL and NBA had it like MLB does with different levels of minor leagues, and/or like Europe has it with Club Soccer. Then we'd have no more pretend amateur student athletes with powerhouse P5 football and basketball programs.

(10-22-2014 08:15 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:45 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:16 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  So is this the deal: players at P5 getting paid 10 grand a year over their regular scholly (tuitition/board) is a bad thing, but their coaches getting millions a year is no big deal?

If I accept an internship at a Fortune 500 company with the notion that I am there to learn and better my future, then what they are paying the CEO should not matter.

Bingo.

It matters only in that it demonstrates to you (as the intern) that if you do well and rise up in the company you may someday be highly compensated.

(10-22-2014 08:42 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:41 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:00 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 05:39 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 04:56 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Lol , really suspended for not paying taxes ? Do they currently suspend players for not paying their credit card debt ?

UT makes 82 million a year closely in profit, that 6 million dollar hit is not that much for them.

The problem with college football is that not all athletes want a college education, people need to realize that. Is a college degree a great tool for life , yes. Do all people feel the need to attend college ........no. So essentially the NCAA has been mandating athletes who want to play pro to attend college.

I think this is great , except for the schools who cant afford it like JMU.

Tons of schools can't afford it. That means the level of separation between schools, and the quality of the teams they field will be based even more on money. If an athlete doesn't want a college education then he shouldn't go to college duhhhh. NCAA has been mandating that if you want to play pro, you go to school????? If you are Lebron and you are physically strong enough and talented to go pro out of high school, and you don't want a college education, you go pro. Pretty sure the ncaa couldn't stop Lebron, just like they can't stop all of the athletes that leave early and never graduate.
This doesn't change anything with regards to whether someone wants to go to school or not, unless you think people will now attend four full years of college for 10 grand a year, that otherwise wouldn't.
This is a terrible path for college sports, and will drive a massive rift between the have and have nots, it will also lead to spiraling of costs, this is just the beginning. Wait until the sense of intitlement for certain athletes spirals out of control as well. Just awful

NFL requires you to be three years removed from HS. So in order to get film you have to play college. The NCAA imo set the stage for this requirement, farm system.

But this applies to ALL student athletes. If you are a scholarship women's water polo player at UT you will get $10,000. You said you think this is great, great for the small number of athletes that don't want to get a college degree, but are forced to go for three years to go to the NFL, and the money will be incentive. That's a pretty awful argument for why this is great. You said the NCAA mandates that athletes go to college, and then say it's a NFL policy that the NCAA may have tried to push. The NFL can make any policy they want. Bottom line is this affects all sports where athletes can choose to do whatever they want when they want. There is NOTHING good that will come of this. It will lead to out of control spending. Just wait until starting quarterbacks begin making the case that using their "name" is worth far more than the same $5,000 that everyone else is getting. Playing for FUN, Playing for PRIDE, playing for an EDUCATION all just became deemphasized.

Became that wh when tv contracts and coaches making 7million a year started to be public news.

Yep. That stuff was de emphasized a long time ago..

(10-22-2014 08:49 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 08:37 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 08:25 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 08:15 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:45 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  If I accept an internship at a Fortune 500 company with the notion that I am there to learn and better my future, then what they are paying the CEO should not matter.

Bingo.

Is the 7-8 figure CEO's job on the line based on the unpaid/low paid intern's performance?

You can't seriously be making the argument that we need to pay these kids more because the coaches are being paid more. Maybe we should start paying kids with academic scholarships as well, and if the president or dean gets paid a bunch of money, then the scholarship student should get paid a bunch because their level of learning is tied to his/her performance. No one has made a good case for how taking these athletes "pay" to the next level is going to be a GOOD thing.

No, I'm just saying we have 2 problems here. As long as you have multi million dollar coaches with huge $$ at stake on games there's always going to be widespread academic fraud, corruption, and cheating.

We'd be better off if the NFL and NBA had it like MLB does with different levels of minor leagues, and/or like Europe has it with Club Soccer. Then we'd have no more pretend amateur student athletes with powerhouse P5 football and basketball programs.

I agree that the whole thing is too big, when you placed your comment in a thread about students getting paid, it was subject to belief that you were arguing in favor of these new steps.
It is not a coincidence that one of the wealthiest athletics department in the country is starting the trend. It's not like they have the highest cost of living for students in the country. This is simply a way for them one up the competition.

(10-22-2014 08:52 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 08:42 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:41 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 07:00 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 05:39 PM)Mad victory Wrote:  Tons of schools can't afford it. That means the level of separation between schools, and the quality of the teams they field will be based even more on money. If an athlete doesn't want a college education then he shouldn't go to college duhhhh. NCAA has been mandating that if you want to play pro, you go to school????? If you are Lebron and you are physically strong enough and talented to go pro out of high school, and you don't want a college education, you go pro. Pretty sure the ncaa couldn't stop Lebron, just like they can't stop all of the athletes that leave early and never graduate.
This doesn't change anything with regards to whether someone wants to go to school or not, unless you think people will now attend four full years of college for 10 grand a year, that otherwise wouldn't.
This is a terrible path for college sports, and will drive a massive rift between the have and have nots, it will also lead to spiraling of costs, this is just the beginning. Wait until the sense of intitlement for certain athletes spirals out of control as well. Just awful

NFL requires you to be three years removed from HS. So in order to get film you have to play college. The NCAA imo set the stage for this requirement, farm system.

But this applies to ALL student athletes. If you are a scholarship women's water polo player at UT you will get $10,000. You said you think this is great, great for the small number of athletes that don't want to get a college degree, but are forced to go for three years to go to the NFL, and the money will be incentive. That's a pretty awful argument for why this is great. You said the NCAA mandates that athletes go to college, and then say it's a NFL policy that the NCAA may have tried to push. The NFL can make any policy they want. Bottom line is this affects all sports where athletes can choose to do whatever they want when they want. There is NOTHING good that will come of this. It will lead to out of control spending. Just wait until starting quarterbacks begin making the case that using their "name" is worth far more than the same $5,000 that everyone else is getting. Playing for FUN, Playing for PRIDE, playing for an EDUCATION all just became deemphasized.

Became that wh when tv contracts and coaches making 7million a year started to be public news.

Yep. That stuff was de emphasized a long time ago..

This is part of the reason why I care about the JMU score more than that of the "big boys"

(10-22-2014 04:56 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Lol , really suspended for not paying taxes ? Do they currently suspend players for not paying their credit card debt ?

UT makes 82 million a year closely in profit, that 6 million dollar hit is not that much for them.

The problem with college football is that not all athletes want a college education, people need to realize that. Is a college degree a great tool for life , yes. Do all people feel the need to attend college ........no. So essentially the NCAA has been mandating athletes who want to play pro to attend college.

I think this is great , except for the schools who cant afford it like JMU.

UT made 19 million in profit last year, not 82 million. There are few schools that would not have to come up with additional revenue, even at the major school level, to make up for these costs.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/s.../finances/

(10-22-2014 09:55 PM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  

(10-22-2014 04:56 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Lol , really suspended for not paying taxes ? Do they currently suspend players for not paying their credit card debt ?

UT makes 82 million a year closely in profit, that 6 million dollar hit is not that much for them.

The problem with college football is that not all athletes want a college education, people need to realize that. Is a college degree a great tool for life , yes. Do all people feel the need to attend college ........no. So essentially the NCAA has been mandating athletes who want to play pro to attend college.

I think this is great , except for the schools who cant afford it like JMU.

UT made 19 million in profit last year, not 82 million. There are few schools that would not have to come up with additional revenue, even at the major school level, to make up for these costs.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/s.../finances/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2...ll-on-top/