(10-17-2014 10:16 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  We are still not near a top 100 acedemic institution.

So we see.

(10-17-2014 11:17 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:50 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:19 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 09:38 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  What does Memphis need to do to are a step up into a P5 when things start rolling again? Where are we soft?

Turn back the clock about 70 years and call themselves Tennessee State or UT-Memphis

Hasn't been a problem for Miami, Pitt or Louisville.

Auburn would have made the big time if they would have been called UA-Auburn or Alabama State!

Land Grant rural college vs commuter school. Nice comparison there Kemosabe

(10-17-2014 12:26 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 11:48 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:50 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:19 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 09:38 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  What does Memphis need to do to are a step up into a P5 when things start rolling again? Where are we soft?

Turn back the clock about 70 years and call themselves Tennessee State or UT-Memphis

Hasn't been a problem for Miami, Pitt or Louisville.

They also weren't Miami State, Pittsburgh State, or Louisville State for years before changing their name...

So you think the reason we are in this situation is because we were named Memphis State? I think it's because we've sucked at football for the better part of 50 years.

Miami - private school in the best recruiting area in the country

Pitt - once a private institution became public in 1966. Considered a "research" university.

Louisville -urban public but geographically fits into several different regions

Memphis - urban public school with so many name changes that I've lost count.




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(10-17-2014 02:21 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:26 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 11:48 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:50 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:19 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Turn back the clock about 70 years and call themselves Tennessee State or UT-Memphis

Hasn't been a problem for Miami, Pitt or Louisville.

They also weren't Miami State, Pittsburgh State, or Louisville State for years before changing their name...

So you think the reason we are in this situation is because we were named Memphis State? I think it's because we've sucked at football for the better part of 50 years.

Miami - private school in the best recruiting area in the country

Pitt - once a private institution became public in 1966. Considered a "research" university.

Louisville -urban public but geographically fits into several different regions

Memphis - urban public school with so many name changes that I've lost count.




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You actually fell for that geography canard?

#rube

When we make a bowl this season, the talks will start.

Enjoy the ride :).

(10-17-2014 10:04 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 02:21 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:26 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 11:48 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:50 AM)3601 Wrote:  Hasn't been a problem for Miami, Pitt or Louisville.

They also weren't Miami State, Pittsburgh State, or Louisville State for years before changing their name...

So you think the reason we are in this situation is because we were named Memphis State? I think it's because we've sucked at football for the better part of 50 years.

Miami - private school in the best recruiting area in the country

Pitt - once a private institution became public in 1966. Considered a "research" university.

Louisville -urban public but geographically fits into several different regions

Memphis - urban public school with so many name changes that I've lost count.




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You actually fell for that geography canard?

#rube

up until the last couple of realignments geography was an issue. Went UC,USF and Louisville first got their invite geography played a major role.

All I have to say is that the day we join a conference that doesn't include teams where nicknames like Golden Hurricane, Green Wave, and Pirates exist, might as well add "Owls" to that, too, we will be in business.

But more of a serious note, they only two options I see that are feasible are joining either the Big XII or ACC.

In order to get into the SEC, we would have to seriously go absolutely nuts with our football and baseball. By that, just keeping winning. Beat the teams you are suppose to beat and beat UCLA, Ole Miss and of course, Kansas and Bowling Green.

No way I see us staying in this "American" long term. Just can't see it happening. Bowen and Rudd have to make something happen and I believe they will do something about it.

(10-18-2014 03:03 PM)KendallC Wrote:  All I have to say is that the day we join a conference that doesn't include teams where nicknames like Golden Hurricane, Green Wave, and Pirates exist, might as well add "Owls" to that, too, we will be in business.

But more of a serious note, they only two options I see that are feasible are joining either the Big XII or ACC.

In order to get into the SEC, we would have to seriously go absolutely nuts with our football and baseball. By that, just keeping winning. Beat the teams you are suppose to beat and beat UCLA, Ole Miss and of course, Kansas and Bowling Green.

No way I see us staying in this "American" long term. Just can't see it happening. Bowen and Rudd have to make something happen and I believe they will do something about it.

Bowen can have all the ideas in the world, but it wont mean a darn thing if fans don't show up

(10-18-2014 03:14 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(10-18-2014 03:03 PM)KendallC Wrote:  All I have to say is that the day we join a conference that doesn't include teams where nicknames like Golden Hurricane, Green Wave, and Pirates exist, might as well add "Owls" to that, too, we will be in business.

But more of a serious note, they only two options I see that are feasible are joining either the Big XII or ACC.

In order to get into the SEC, we would have to seriously go absolutely nuts with our football and baseball. By that, just keeping winning. Beat the teams you are suppose to beat and beat UCLA, Ole Miss and of course, Kansas and Bowling Green.

No way I see us staying in this "American" long term. Just can't see it happening. Bowen and Rudd have to make something happen and I believe they will do something about it.

Bowen can have all the ideas in the world, but it wont mean a darn thing if fans don't show up

Fans can keep showing up, but nothing will happen until the team starts winning conference championships.

(10-17-2014 10:19 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 09:38 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  What does Memphis need to do to are a step up into a P5 when things start rolling again? Where are we soft?

Turn back the clock about 70 years and call themselves Tennessee State or UT-Memphis

Ask Alabama At Birmingham (UAB) how its worked for them.

(10-17-2014 01:13 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 01:10 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:26 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 11:48 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:50 AM)3601 Wrote:  Hasn't been a problem for Miami, Pitt or Louisville.

They also weren't Miami State, Pittsburgh State, or Louisville State for years before changing their name...

So you think the reason we are in this situation is because we were named Memphis State? I think it's because we've sucked at football for the better part of 50 years.

Hell I thought it was all RC's fault

I'd go with the sucking thing AND RC.

Carpenter and Cavagnaro can also be added to that list.

(10-19-2014 09:22 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:19 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 09:38 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  What does Memphis need to do to are a step up into a P5 when things start rolling again? Where are we soft?

Turn back the clock about 70 years and call themselves Tennessee State or UT-Memphis

Ask Alabama At Birmingham (UAB) how its worked for them.

Another stupid comparison. UAB wasn't even a school until the late 70s and didn't have football until what the late 90s. Y'all keep trying doe. Smh

(10-17-2014 10:04 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 02:21 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:26 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 11:48 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:50 AM)3601 Wrote:  Hasn't been a problem for Miami, Pitt or Louisville.

They also weren't Miami State, Pittsburgh State, or Louisville State for years before changing their name...

So you think the reason we are in this situation is because we were named Memphis State? I think it's because we've sucked at football for the better part of 50 years.

Miami - private school in the best recruiting area in the country

Pitt - once a private institution became public in 1966. Considered a "research" university.

Louisville -urban public but geographically fits into several different regions

Memphis - urban public school with so many name changes that I've lost count.




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You actually fell for that geography canard?

#rube

Ever hear of Southern Miss?


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Again

(10-19-2014 09:32 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:04 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 02:21 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:26 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 11:48 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  They also weren't Miami State, Pittsburgh State, or Louisville State for years before changing their name...

So you think the reason we are in this situation is because we were named Memphis State? I think it's because we've sucked at football for the better part of 50 years.

Miami - private school in the best recruiting area in the country

Pitt - once a private institution became public in 1966. Considered a "research" university.

Louisville -urban public but geographically fits into several different regions

Memphis - urban public school with so many name changes that I've lost count.




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You actually fell for that geography canard?

#rube

Ever hear of Southern Miss?


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Again

You gotta work on holding on to that mic.

(10-17-2014 01:13 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 01:10 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:26 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 11:48 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:50 AM)3601 Wrote:  Hasn't been a problem for Miami, Pitt or Louisville.

They also weren't Miami State, Pittsburgh State, or Louisville State for years before changing their name...

So you think the reason we are in this situation is because we were named Memphis State? I think it's because we've sucked at football for the better part of 50 years.

Hell I thought it was all RC's fault

I'd go with the sucking thing AND RC.

I'll go with the sucking thing, RC and bad timing.

(10-19-2014 09:31 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 01:13 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 01:10 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:26 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 11:48 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  They also weren't Miami State, Pittsburgh State, or Louisville State for years before changing their name...

So you think the reason we are in this situation is because we were named Memphis State? I think it's because we've sucked at football for the better part of 50 years.

Hell I thought it was all RC's fault

I'd go with the sucking thing AND RC.

Carpenter and Cavagnaro can also be added to that list.

True. I've really worked hard at erasing those two from my memory.

(10-19-2014 11:46 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:31 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 01:13 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 01:10 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:26 PM)3601 Wrote:  So you think the reason we are in this situation is because we were named Memphis State? I think it's because we've sucked at football for the better part of 50 years.

Hell I thought it was all RC's fault

I'd go with the sucking thing AND RC.

Carpenter and Cavagnaro can also be added to that list.

True. I've really worked hard at erasing those two from my memory.

I'll never forget, Carpenter making a comment on the news when Rex Dockery was hired, that if Rex can't turn the program around in the next 5 years, we maybe ought to consider dropping it all together. Great recruiting tool huh? And when RC is considered an upgrade from Cavagnaro, it just goes to show what kind of bad shape our football program really was. It's a miraculous wonder we even have a football program today. Thankfully we now have, Rudd, Bowen and Fuente running things.

(10-20-2014 06:56 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 11:46 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:31 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 01:13 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 01:10 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Hell I thought it was all RC's fault

I'd go with the sucking thing AND RC.

Carpenter and Cavagnaro can also be added to that list.

True. I've really worked hard at erasing those two from my memory.

I'll never forget, Carpenter making a comment on the news when Rex Dockery was hired, that if Rex can't turn the program around in the next 5 years, we maybe ought to consider dropping it all together. Great recruiting tool huh? And when RC is considered an upgrade from Cavagnaro, it just goes to show what kind of bad shape our football program really was. It's a miraculous wonder we even have a football program today. Thankfully we now have, Rudd, Bowen and Fuente running things.

RC does deserve a lot of the blame true.....but remember who he was working for.
Football wasn't important to Shirley Raines...but his fundraising certainly was. Could it have been she who held him back?
Not trying to defend the guy...just wondering 'what if'?

RC didn't get here until 96. Our problems go back to the 60s maybe even further.

(10-20-2014 07:47 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  RC didn't get here until 96. Our problems go back to the 60s maybe even further.

In the 60s I seem to recall that Memphis football was bigger than Memphis basketball.