(10-17-2014 08:06 AM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:56 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 07:46 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 07:41 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 07:16 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  He had a shot, didn't show enough to warrant a practice squad.

Apparently he is getting a second shot, probably won't be good enough again.

I mean a shot to earn a spot, he didn't get that with the Bears.

Sure he did. If he was better than Ka'Deem Carey or Senorise Perry in practice he'd be on the team. He obviously did not perform well enough in training camp. UDFAs only get so many chances to show what they've got. He wasn't a 3rd round draft pick like you are making him out to be.

You're fighting an unwinnable fight against a fanboy. Don't bother.

Fanboy or not, you've got to look at the guys track record, being told NO isn't in his lexicon. Do I think he's the next Brady or Rodgers? Absolutely not. But he might be the next Danny Woodhead. But Lynch is an athlete. I don't think resigning himself to the CFL is his best option. Heck, Chad Spann is still working his tail off to get into the NFL and I know Lynch has more talent than him.

Again, let me ask you this question. Would you be sure about yourself if Jordan Lynch played for the Illini?

Also what are you measuring talent on vs Spann?

(10-17-2014 08:27 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 08:06 AM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:56 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 07:46 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 07:41 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I mean a shot to earn a spot, he didn't get that with the Bears.

Sure he did. If he was better than Ka'Deem Carey or Senorise Perry in practice he'd be on the team. He obviously did not perform well enough in training camp. UDFAs only get so many chances to show what they've got. He wasn't a 3rd round draft pick like you are making him out to be.

You're fighting an unwinnable fight against a fanboy. Don't bother.

Fanboy or not, you've got to look at the guys track record, being told NO isn't in his lexicon. Do I think he's the next Brady or Rodgers? Absolutely not. But he might be the next Danny Woodhead. But Lynch is an athlete. I don't think resigning himself to the CFL is his best option. Heck, Chad Spann is still working his tail off to get into the NFL and I know Lynch has more talent than him.

Again, let me ask you this question. Would you be sure about yourself if Jordan Lynch played for the Illini?

Also what are you measuring talent on vs Spann?

Spann was more a comparison, that guys with the same level or less of talent haven't given up on their NFL goals.

If he played for the Illini, if he played for Cal, if he played for Old Dominion. Yep, I'd still be sure of it. The dude was a HEISMAN finalist. If Tim Tebow can play in the NFL, Lynch can with enough perseverance. Heck, somewhere (cleveland) Manziel is sitting on a bench. Manti Te'o is waiting in the wings in San Diego.

Do a little research on Heisman Finalist. These are guys that aren't arbitrarily picked.

2013:
Jordan Lynch
Johnny Manziel >> NFL
Tre Mason >> NFL
AJ McCarron >> NFL
Andre Williams >> NFL
Jameis Winston>> halfway to prison, or the Oakland Raiders

2012:
Johnny Manziel >> NFL
Manti Te'o >> NFL
Collin Klein >> okay you got me. one. (CFL)

2011:
Andrew Luck >> NFL
Robert Griffin III >> NFL
Trent Richardson >> NFL
Tyrann Mathieu >> NFL
Montee Ball >> NFL

so out of the last three years, 12 out of 14 Heisman finalist are in the NFL (the other is in the CFL).

Here, ill even help you out.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/ne...ent_121011

Going back as far as you want. its more fluke that guys don't get picked up by the NFL

(10-17-2014 09:15 AM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 08:27 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 08:06 AM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:56 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 07:46 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  Sure he did. If he was better than Ka'Deem Carey or Senorise Perry in practice he'd be on the team. He obviously did not perform well enough in training camp. UDFAs only get so many chances to show what they've got. He wasn't a 3rd round draft pick like you are making him out to be.

You're fighting an unwinnable fight against a fanboy. Don't bother.

Fanboy or not, you've got to look at the guys track record, being told NO isn't in his lexicon. Do I think he's the next Brady or Rodgers? Absolutely not. But he might be the next Danny Woodhead. But Lynch is an athlete. I don't think resigning himself to the CFL is his best option. Heck, Chad Spann is still working his tail off to get into the NFL and I know Lynch has more talent than him.

Again, let me ask you this question. Would you be sure about yourself if Jordan Lynch played for the Illini?

Also what are you measuring talent on vs Spann?

Spann was more a comparison, that guys with the same level or less of talent haven't given up on their NFL goals.

If he played for the Illini, if he played for Cal, if he played for Old Dominion. Yep, I'd still be sure of it. The dude was a HEISMAN finalist. If Tim Tebow can play in the NFL, Lynch can with enough perseverance. Heck, somewhere (cleveland) Manziel is sitting on a bench. Manti Te'o is waiting in the wings in San Diego.

Do a little research on Heisman Finalist. These are guys that aren't arbitrarily picked.

2013:
Jordan Lynch
Johnny Manziel >> NFL
Tre Mason >> NFL
AJ McCarron >> NFL
Andre Williams >> NFL
Jameis Winston>> halfway to prison, or the Oakland Raiders

2012:
Johnny Manziel >> NFL
Manti Te'o >> NFL
Collin Klein >> okay you got me. one. (CFL)

2011:
Andrew Luck >> NFL
Robert Griffin III >> NFL
Trent Richardson >> NFL
Tyrann Mathieu >> NFL
Montee Ball >> NFL

so out of the last three years, 12 out of 14 Heisman finalist are in the NFL (the other is in the CFL).

Being a Heisman finalist doesn't necessarily equate to NFL talent. Also, just because prior Heisman finalist played or are currently playing in the NFL doesn't give Lynch an automatic ticket to be on a NFL roster. Lynch was a bum slayer. He dominated the MAC, beat one decent Iowa team and didn't show up against FSU.

You are just a delusional NIU fan that isn't a HappyHuskie because Lynch doesn't have enough talent to make it in the NFL. He was great in college, but doesn't have a position to play in the NFL. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you will be a happyhuskie.

(10-16-2014 11:22 PM)1eyed_jack Wrote:  Maybe the NFL was just too big for Lynch.

His track record on the biggest stages in college football, wasn't exactly good.

He had a 45% completion percentage, equal touchdowns and interceptions and couldn't run worth a damn in his two bowl games.

Great NIU player, but not exactly pro material.

Certainly not as a QB. I would have thought that given his athleticism he would have ended up on a practice squad as a RB or safety.

(10-17-2014 09:18 AM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  Here, ill even help you out.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/ne...ent_121011

Going back as far as you want. its more fluke that guys don't get picked up by the NFL

You are insane to believe that this is the reason why Lynch should be playing in the NFL.

Insane.

Lynch finishing in third just shows how weak the Heisman field was last year.

(10-17-2014 09:28 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  Insane.

so what's your proof that he doesn't deserver a chance in the NFL. I'm not a delusional Lynch fan, I just think that the data backs up the fact that if he's given a shot in the NFL, he'll make it. Is he going to be Tom Brady? no. but as I said before, he could be a quality NFL player.

At QB? No. Definitely not. At RB or Safety? more than likely. I'd think there is enough talent there to make it.

I get that you get off on insulting others on here who don't agree with you, and have a fairly negative view of NIU, but take it elsewhere. I have faith and evidence that points to Lynch having a good chance at making it in the NFL. Kid has too much talent to let it go unrealized.

Watching Julian Edelman last night just makes it very hard to believe Jordan can't contribute in the NFL

(10-17-2014 09:35 AM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 09:28 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  Insane.

so what's your proof that he doesn't deserver a chance in the NFL. I'm not a delusional Lynch fan, I just think that the data backs up the fact that if he's given a shot in the NFL, he'll make it. Is he going to be Tom Brady? no. but as I said before, he could be a quality NFL player.

At QB? No. Definitely not. At RB or Safety? more than likely. I'd think there is enough talent there to make it.

I get that you get off on insulting others on here who don't agree with you, and have a fairly negative view of NIU, but take it elsewhere. I have faith and evidence that points to Lynch having a good chance at making it in the NFL. Kid has too much talent to let it go unrealized.

He got one...

(10-17-2014 09:41 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 09:35 AM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 09:28 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  Insane.

so what's your proof that he doesn't deserver a chance in the NFL. I'm not a delusional Lynch fan, I just think that the data backs up the fact that if he's given a shot in the NFL, he'll make it. Is he going to be Tom Brady? no. but as I said before, he could be a quality NFL player.

At QB? No. Definitely not. At RB or Safety? more than likely. I'd think there is enough talent there to make it.

I get that you get off on insulting others on here who don't agree with you, and have a fairly negative view of NIU, but take it elsewhere. I have faith and evidence that points to Lynch having a good chance at making it in the NFL. Kid has too much talent to let it go unrealized.

He got one...

whats that? a bears team stacked to the hilt with RB? Yeah, the joke is on Lynch, he tried out for one team. Give it up Jordan, time to get yourself a user name and hang out on The Dog Pound and troll your days away.

The fact of the matter is, Jordan Lynch is a great athlete who does just about everything well, BUT he does not do any one certain thing well in regards to playing a particular position in the NFL. He is exactly like past Heisman winners/representatives Colin Klein, Troy Smith, and Eric Crouch. They all had shots to play in the NFL, but were not good enough in their respected positions to garner any accolades or longevity.

Take the NIU homer glasses off and realize the facts. Lynch will remain an NIU legend but he has slim chances to even play on a practice squad in the NFL.

Hell, Harnish was a MUCH better passer than Lynch and he has had his fair share of troubles staying in the NFL even with Indianapolis giving him EVERY opportunity to become Luck's longterm backup.

The NFL is not always about skill. Weather you make a team or not depends on a number of things. Money spent on a position, depth at a position, reps in the off-season, etc.

Jordan had a difficult road because he was changing positions he was placed at the bottom of the depth chart limiting his reps. There is no way you'll make a team when they don't have enough of you on tape. His preseason game tape is enough for someone to try and get him more reps to prove he belongs. You could argue that the players he faced in those preseason games were not NFL caliber, but I would bet that many of those players would also be higher caliber than he faced in college. Making the preseason competition just as valuable as his college resume.

There are a lot of high caliber players that bounce around practice squads before making a contribution. Danny Amendola from last nights game for example.

All Jordan needs is time at the position and reps to prove his worth. If this season hasn't shown you the value he has or had for our program then I don't know what you're looking at. He definitely has more strength as a runner than a passer, so I can see why he was asked to make the switch. Special Teams is where he needs to make it happen. Garrett Wolfe didn't play ST as a rookie, then was a ST stand out for the Bears when healthy.

(10-17-2014 09:39 AM)NIU8484 Wrote:  Watching Julian Edelman last night just makes it very hard to believe Jordan can't contribute in the NFL

Why? Edelman is faster, can jump higher, and has better hands when catching the ball.

He would have a legit shot at playing QB in Canada EH?

(10-17-2014 10:34 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 09:39 AM)NIU8484 Wrote:  Watching Julian Edelman last night just makes it very hard to believe Jordan can't contribute in the NFL

Why? Edelman is faster, can jump higher, and has better hands when catching the ball.

Better route runner too.

(10-17-2014 08:06 AM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 12:56 AM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 07:46 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 07:41 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(10-16-2014 07:16 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  He had a shot, didn't show enough to warrant a practice squad.

Apparently he is getting a second shot, probably won't be good enough again.

I mean a shot to earn a spot, he didn't get that with the Bears.

Sure he did. If he was better than Ka'Deem Carey or Senorise Perry in practice he'd be on the team. He obviously did not perform well enough in training camp. UDFAs only get so many chances to show what they've got. He wasn't a 3rd round draft pick like you are making him out to be.

You're fighting an unwinnable fight against a fanboy. Don't bother.

Fanboy or not, you've got to look at the guys track record, being told NO isn't in his lexicon. Do I think he's the next Brady or Rodgers? Absolutely not. But he might be the next Danny Woodhead. But Lynch is an athlete. I don't think resigning himself to the CFL is his best option. Heck, Chad Spann is still working his tail off to get into the NFL and I know Lynch has more talent than him.

I'll trust the NFL talent evaluators more than you and me and anyone else on this board, no offense. They miss guys but because their job is on the line, they aren't going to give guys roster spots for reasons that are not directly related to getting the job done.

(10-17-2014 09:35 AM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 09:28 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  Insane.

so what's your proof that he doesn't deserver a chance in the NFL. I'm not a delusional Lynch fan, I just think that the data backs up the fact that if he's given a shot in the NFL, he'll make it. Is he going to be Tom Brady? no. but as I said before, he could be a quality NFL player.

At QB? No. Definitely not. At RB or Safety? more than likely. I'd think there is enough talent there to make it.

I get that you get off on insulting others on here who don't agree with you, and have a fairly negative view of NIU, but take it elsewhere. I have faith and evidence that points to Lynch having a good chance at making it in the NFL. Kid has too much talent to let it go unrealized.

Asking for proof of negation is not a good argument. There's no way you break down enough tape to evaluate ALL the players Lynch is competing with and there's also no way you're familiar enough with every team's philosophy/specific needs.

You're arguing from an extraordinarily limited sample. Yours is a faith argument almost exclusively.

The Jordan Lynch topics are great for one reason. They draw a really good picture of which users on this board have any idea how football/the NFL works.