As far as I can tell "The American" is essentially branded as the CUSA version of the ACC (initials, color scheme, timing of media days, public comparisons, etc.). They should have taken the "MAC but better" angle and used the name "Big Mac." That would have screamed corporate sponsorship from McDonalds, which probably been more lucrative than their TV contract.

Also, their divisions could have been "A" and "1." That would have screamed corporate sponsorship by A1 steak sauce (Kraft Foods), which would have synergies with McDonalds (I hear A1 burger! -for a limited time only, so act now!).

EDIT: I'm pretty sure that those two moves would have at least doubled their media payout.

You obviously subscribe to the motto "if you can't make a friend, make two enemies"

(10-10-2014 10:51 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  You obviously subscribe to the motto "if you can't make a friend, make two enemies"

Hey, enemies know who you are, and you know what they say about publicity. There's no such thing as bad publicity.

(10-10-2014 10:51 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  You obviously subscribe to the motto "if you can't make a friend, make two enemies"

AAC, C-USA, MAC they are all the same.

(10-10-2014 02:38 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  AAC, C-USA, MAC they are all the same.

Except one of those doesn't lose its games to the other two. AAC was supposed to be "almost ACC level" but they are horrible. MAC is a mini-Big 10 with attendance issues. CUSA seems to be the only respectable one. Marshall still undefeated, more than most conferences can say.

AAC is actually a fun league to watch...makes no sense they aren't in with the P5

AAC needs to learn to beat C-USA first LOL

(10-10-2014 02:48 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  AAC is actually a fun league to watch...makes no sense they aren't in with the P5

The BYU @ UCF game last night was excellent. Definitely a lot of fun to watch.

But.... They're not close to being in the P5. When the whole conference makes as much as any P5 member for TV, it shows they are not the draw of the P5 conferences.

(10-10-2014 03:07 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 02:48 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  AAC is actually a fun league to watch...makes no sense they aren't in with the P5

The BYU @ UCF game last night was excellent. Definitely a lot of fun to watch.

But.... They're not close to being in the P5. When the whole conference makes as much as any P5 member for TV, it shows they are not the draw of the P5 conferences.

Will they be the SEC? No...but they can be the weak sister. Rather have them with us than in the G5.

You throw Big Boy Dust on them...they will improve. ESPN would have to pay more...but they might just need them if the B1G bolts ESPN (yeah a small chance). Pay them $5M per team and they can evolve.

(10-10-2014 11:38 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:51 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  You obviously subscribe to the motto "if you can't make a friend, make two enemies"

Hey, Enemies who who you are, and you know what they say about publicity. There's no such thing as bad publicity.

(10-10-2014 10:34 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  As far as I can tell "The American" is essentially branded as the CUSA version of the ACC (initials, color scheme, timing of media days, public comparisons, etc.). They should have taken the "MAC but better" angle and used the name "Big Mac." That would have screamed corporate sponsorship from McDonalds, which probably been more lucrative than their TV contract.

Also, their divisions could have been "A" and "1." That would have screamed corporate sponsorship by A1 steak sauce (Kraft Foods), which would have synergies with McDonalds (I hear A1 burger! -for a limited time only, so act now!).

EDIT: I'm pretty sure that those two moves would have at least doubled their media payout.

I'm an American fan but this is hilarious.

(10-10-2014 02:38 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  AAC, C-USA, MAC they are all the same.

No, in the world of realignment the MAC has maintained a strong regional, reasonable, and tight knit conference full of natural rivalries.

In fact ... aside from the Pac-12 they may be the only conference now that isn't some awkward conglomeration of teams ... arranged and compiled like commodities based upon their financial yield rather than the quality of the product.

The SEC sold out when it added Missouri. The B1G sold out when it added Rutgers and Nebraska. The ACC sold out when it added Louisville. The Big 12 was already duct taped together from the jump. The AAC is the worst offender for most unconference-like conference. C-USA is at least feasible but leaves a lot to be desired.

The Pac-12 and MAC are the only conferences so far in realignment to be able to retain their identity and the quality of the product.

(10-12-2014 12:55 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 02:38 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  AAC, C-USA, MAC they are all the same.

No, in the world of realignment the MAC has maintained a strong regional, reasonable, and tight knit conference full of natural rivalries.

In fact ... aside from the Pac-12 they may be the only conference now that isn't some awkward conglomeration of teams ... arranged and compiled like commodities based upon their financial yield rather than the quality of the product.

The SEC sold out when it added Missouri. The B1G sold out when it added Rutgers and Nebraska. The ACC sold out when it added Louisville. The Big 12 was already duct taped together from the jump. The AAC is the worst offender for most unconference-like conference. C-USA is at least feasible but leaves a lot to be desired.

The Pac-12 and MAC are the only conferences so far in realignment to be able to retain their identity and the quality of the product.

Well, the ACC needed Louisville to help hold it together Bubba! Without us FSU and Clemson were headed to the Big 12. Virginia to the Big! Virginia Tech and North Carolina to the SEC. So get off your smug high horse! Nobody was wanting Georgia Tech in any of the other P5 conferences.

I love ya Wilkie...and your Red Menace fan base too!

BTW, I'm thinking Dinosaur BBQ might be coming to Louisville in a year or two. When the founder said he loved visiting Louisville that means something.

http://www.foodrepublic.com/2014/10/09/p...und-americ

I will check it out.

Also, I want to say that the original ACC need help to survive! Here are the non-original ACC teams that have been added:

1) Georgia Tech Metro/Independent 1978
2) Florida State Metro/Independent 1991
3) Boston College (Big East) 2005
4) Miami Big East 2004
5) Virginia Tech Big East 2004
6) Syracuse Big East 2012
7) Pittsburgh Big East 2012
8) Notre Dame Big East/Independent 2013
9) Louisville Big East 2014

Original ACC Teams that are left:
Maryland gone to Big 10 2014
Virginia
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest
South Carolina gone to SEC 1971

In reality the ACC name remains but this conference has more of a Big East flavor than the ACC!

(10-12-2014 10:04 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 12:55 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 02:38 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  AAC, C-USA, MAC they are all the same.

No, in the world of realignment the MAC has maintained a strong regional, reasonable, and tight knit conference full of natural rivalries.

In fact ... aside from the Pac-12 they may be the only conference now that isn't some awkward conglomeration of teams ... arranged and compiled like commodities based upon their financial yield rather than the quality of the product.

The SEC sold out when it added Missouri. The B1G sold out when it added Rutgers and Nebraska. The ACC sold out when it added Louisville. The Big 12 was already duct taped together from the jump. The AAC is the worst offender for most unconference-like conference. C-USA is at least feasible but leaves a lot to be desired.

The Pac-12 and MAC are the only conferences so far in realignment to be able to retain their identity and the quality of the product.

Well, the ACC needed Louisville to help hold it together Bubba! Without us FSU and Clemson were headed to the Big 12. Virginia to the Big! Virginia Tech and North Carolina to the SEC. So get off your smug high horse! Nobody was wanting Georgia Tech in any of the other P5 conferences.

Point well made...only thing is it was reported that the B1G did have it eyes on Georgia Tech...the Atlanta Market is quite large....also Swagger was pimping Louisville to replace Maryland when they left for the B1G.

(10-12-2014 11:22 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I will check it out.

Also, I want to say that the original ACC need help to survive! Here are the non-original ACC teams that have been added:

1) Georgia Tech Metro/Independent 1978
2) Florida State Metro/Independent 1991
3) Boston College (Big East) 2005
4) Miami Big East 2004
5) Virginia Tech Big East 2004
6) Syracuse Big East 2012
7) Pittsburgh Big East 2012
8) Notre Dame Big East/Independent 2013
9) Louisville Big East 2014

Original ACC Teams that are left:
Maryland gone to Big 10 2014
Virginia
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest
South Carolina gone to SEC 1971

In reality the ACC name remains but this conference has more of a Big East flavor than the ACC!

Left out one original team - CLEMSON.

(10-12-2014 11:37 AM)Maize Wrote:  Point well made...only thing is it was reported that the B1G did have it eyes on Georgia Tech...the Atlanta Market is quite large....also Swagger was pimping Louisville to replace Maryland when they left for the B1G.

Well yea, once we're this far into the clustereff ... Louisville was the right call. My point is expansion was poorly done from the outset. The last year before the ACC expanded they were #1 in the nation in overall Sagarin and, top to bottom, the best conference in football in the country. There have been many questionable moves since. I would rather have seen, from the position of strength in 2003, the ACC raid the SEC East and the and pick up a few sensible pieces here and there.

Florida State
Florida
Miami
UCF

Georgia
Georgia Tech
Clemson
South Carolina

North Carolina
NC State
Wake Forest
Duke

Tennessee
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Maryland



I really think all this realignment is long term unstable. A la carte is going to come along and make the Jim Delanys of the world go from genius to foolish.

(10-12-2014 02:27 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-12-2014 11:37 AM)Maize Wrote:  Point well made...only thing is it was reported that the B1G did have it eyes on Georgia Tech...the Atlanta Market is quite large....also Swagger was pimping Louisville to replace Maryland when they left for the B1G.

Well yea, once we're this far into the clustereff ... Louisville was the right call. My point is expansion was poorly done from the outset. The last year before the ACC expanded they were #1 in the nation in overall Sagarin and, top to bottom, the best conference in football in the country. There have been many questionable moves since. I would rather have seen, from the position of strength in 2003, the ACC raid the SEC East and the and pick up a few sensible pieces here and there.

Florida State
Florida
Miami
UCF

Georgia
Georgia Tech
Clemson
South Carolina

North Carolina
NC State
Wake Forest
Duke

Tennessee
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Maryland



I really think all this realignment is long term unstable. A la carte is going to come along and make the Jim Delanys of the world go from genius to foolish.

GTS,

There was no way that the ACC was ever going to be able to poach schools from the SEC back in 2003, which, imo, is the reason that the Acc poached the BE in the first place. Even if Sagarin did have the ACC as the strongest conference top to bottom, in the minds of public opinion, back then, the BE was seen as the stronger conference on the field with Miami, VT and a very strong Syracuse, along with WV and BC.