(10-06-2014 12:29 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:02 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 11:47 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 11:34 AM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  Thank you Israel.

Jumping the gun a bit, don't you think?

Who else has the means-motive-opportunity?

You're right. With the peerless technical capability that the Iranian nuclear program holds, and the overall social and political stability that region has, there is absolutely no chance that this was either an accident or done by someone besides Israel. Stop jumping the gun, we don't even know if it was an accident or not yet, do we?

Go back and read Israel's history of sabotaging Iran's nuclear program. Very creative and effective just not quite total. They can't do what they did in Iraq.

(10-06-2014 12:47 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:45 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I hope Israel isn't associated with this in any way.

why is that?

Because I prefer more covert means of obstruction like Stuxnet rather than overt methods such as this. This headline reads like a Vince Flynn novel.

(10-06-2014 01:00 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Because I prefer more covert means of obstruction like Stuxnet rather than overt methods such as this.

I'd prefer something more subtle, too. But sometimes, "subtle" is not an option.

(10-06-2014 01:00 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:47 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:45 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I hope Israel isn't associated with this in any way.

why is that?

Because I prefer more covert means of obstruction like Stuxnet rather than overt methods such as this. This headlines reads like a Vince Flynn novel.

Who knows if it was Israel of not, but if so, it had to be pretty covert to pull it off. Anyway, doesn't matter if it is a computer virus or bomb, Israel and the US will get blamed anyway. In the end, it was probably just an Iranian fack up.

(10-06-2014 01:00 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:47 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:45 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I hope Israel isn't associated with this in any way.

why is that?

Because I prefer more covert means of obstruction like Stuxnet rather than overt methods such as this. This headlines reads like a Vince Flynn novel.

I prefer effective but I'm more results oriented in things like this

Also, Flynn had a lot of contacts in the IDF

Don't discount gross incompetence, similar to Chernobyl.

(10-06-2014 01:08 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Don't discount gross incompetence, similar to Chernobyl.

Two different types of scenarios. The program in Iran is much better than Chernobyl. In that instance, it really was gross negligence. In this case I wouldn't be surprised if they 'claimed' incompotance but I find that very difficult to fathom based on history

Who cares how it took place. This explosion ,......It's a WIN for the world


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(10-06-2014 01:02 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 01:00 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Because I prefer more covert means of obstruction like Stuxnet rather than overt methods such as this.

I'd prefer something more subtle, too. But sometimes, "subtle" is not an option.

In the illicit Nuclear Weapons Development World often times "Stuff Happens".. Oh well...

(10-06-2014 12:42 PM)bevotex Wrote:  Why would they have an explosives production facility at a Nuclear power plant that is under construction?

Purely for energy production purposes... isn't it always done that way?!?

(10-06-2014 12:43 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  IMHO:

Possibility of Israeli-sabotage -- 65%
Possibility of accident -- 20%
Possibility of internal-sabotage -- 10%
Possibility of other explanation -- 5%

I'd say cause #1 and #3 have approximately the same odds (because the how of #1 is #3). My guess would be accident would be higher, up around 40-60%.

(10-06-2014 12:55 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:49 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Have we considered an ISIS possibility?

No. ISIS gains nothing by it. They would rather capture the territory AND the nuclear program intact. I can't see a scenario where Iran would nuke IS.
Also, they have a lot of money and people who would want to sell them the material if needed.

Don't forget that, according to Iran, al Qaeda and ISIS are both creations of the Americans and Israelis.

"Ackmed?....Did you leave the stove on?"

(10-06-2014 07:29 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:43 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  IMHO:

Possibility of Israeli-sabotage -- 65%
Possibility of accident -- 20%
Possibility of internal-sabotage -- 10%
Possibility of other explanation -- 5%

I'd say cause #1 and #3 have approximately the same odds (because the how of #1 is #3). My guess would be accident would be higher, up around 40-60%.

(10-06-2014 12:55 PM)Brokeback Flamer Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:49 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Have we considered an ISIS possibility?

No. ISIS gains nothing by it. They would rather capture the territory AND the nuclear program intact. I can't see a scenario where Iran would nuke IS.
Also, they have a lot of money and people who would want to sell them the material if needed.

Don't forget that, according to Iran, al Qaeda and ISIS are both creations of the Americans and Israelis.

Iran = shia
ISIS = sunni

That trumps anything involving the US with regard to how Iran feels about ISIS.

(10-07-2014 08:41 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Iran = shia
ISIS = sunni

That trumps anything involving the US with regard to how Iran feels about ISIS.

Don't forget

Iran = Aryan
ISIS = Semitic

That plays a major role too.

(10-07-2014 08:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 08:41 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Iran = shia
ISIS = sunni

That trumps anything involving the US with regard to how Iran feels about ISIS.

Don't forget

Iran = Aryan
ISIS = Semitic

That plays a major role too.

A much bigger role IMHO. But I just can't see IS doing anything like this at the moment. Iran is threatening the existence of Israel, not IS. If things keep going the way they are they WILL tangle. IS ISNT a big threat to Iran yet. They are fighting but more so over the scraps of Iraq than each other. For now.

so I still haven't seen this mentioned anywhere else...

(10-07-2014 09:01 AM)Niner National Wrote:  so I still haven't seen this mentioned anywhere else...

USA TODAY had an article. Some British media are talking about it. Obviously it's a major story in Israeli media.

(10-07-2014 09:06 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:01 AM)Niner National Wrote:  so I still haven't seen this mentioned anywhere else...

USA TODAY had an article. Some British media are talking about it. Obviously it's a major story in Israeli media.

Yes it is. That is why I posted the link to the Israel newspaper.


Try this one: http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Repor...ity-378166

Here's some overhead imagery

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/midnigh...47e064df30

(10-06-2014 12:36 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 12:30 PM)mlb Wrote:  I'd say it is 99% likely that Israel did it. I think you are overly defensive about this, UCF.

I'm not stating that it is at all unlikely that Israel did or would do this, I'm simply trying to point out how quickly certain posters here like to jump to conclusions without nearly enough evidence to support their conclusions.

Like the global warming hypothesis?