(09-22-2014 08:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-22-2014 08:15 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Absolutely I would.

Shifty, both of us can agree, once Monken gets these guys to a bowl or a great winning season, he's gone (I'd like to say it isn't so, but Monken has no ties to the area or to the team).. Same with Fedora.. He comes back, and gets a winning season, he'll be gone before we let the confetti clear.

Personally, I'd take the guy that wants to be here.

Ummmm, like Ellis Johnson?
I want a guy who wants to win. I don't care where he wants to be.

(09-22-2014 11:46 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-22-2014 08:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-22-2014 08:15 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Absolutely I would.

Shifty, both of us can agree, once Monken gets these guys to a bowl or a great winning season, he's gone (I'd like to say it isn't so, but Monken has no ties to the area or to the team).. Same with Fedora.. He comes back, and gets a winning season, he'll be gone before we let the confetti clear.

Personally, I'd take the guy that wants to be here.

Ummmm, like Ellis Johnson?
I want a guy who wants to win. I don't care where he wants to be.

Good point.. We don't want another Ellis Johnson.

You're right, I want someone who wants to win.. I think at the moment Monken is that guy. We just gotta give him time. Hopefully he's showing the AD that he wants to be the guy to get us on track.

(09-22-2014 09:15 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  

(09-22-2014 07:42 AM)comiceagle Wrote:  

(09-22-2014 06:42 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  Doesn't look like he is going to last long at North Carolina

One of these days these guys might realize that the grass aint always greener. Bobby Collins fired, Curly Hallman fired, LFed.......

WKU has a list of men's bball coaches that learned that lesson the hard way.

You too, LOL. We've had Rabadeux, Sadler, Gillespie, and that black dude (can't remember his name) that couldn't wait to leave, since Haskins retired.

I sure hope not. The day Fedora gets fired at UNC, drinks are on me. I will celebrate nonstop.

Should we bring Fedora back if UNC fires him? No. We've got a head coach.

Was hiring Fedora in 2008 a good decision? Absolutely. Larry was a perfect fit for USM. He was exactly what we needed: someone willing to talk about USM without making excuses or setting limitations.

Hiring Fedora made a statement: "we're not settling". People who hate Fedora want to settle, for whatever reason. Maybe they just want a nice place to take their kids 3-4 times per year, and real success isn't worth the sacrifices they perceive as necessary, whether financial in nature, or related to what sort of person is running the program.

These people are kind of like minor league baseball fans. It's not about the end result. The victory for them is that they got to watch a baseball game, and it was cheap, and easy to park, and the people in and around the stadium looked and acted like them.

The Fedora hiring was a major repudiation of these people and their faux fandom. Ellis Johnson was their man, 100%, as was Jeff Hammond. The lesson is that the faux fan thought process might work for AAA baseball, but for FBS football it's a catastrophe. You've got to go all-out in FBS ball. If you try to hire a Bower, you'll hire an EJ. If you're content to be in a conference with UH, you'll end up playing UNT. Shoot for the stars, or end up in the sh1tter.

That is probably one of the best posts I've seen from Andre.

My favorite thing about Larry the Hat?

1-3 against Neil Callaway.

(09-22-2014 10:10 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  WKU has always had coaches leave and most have failed at next stop....It doesn't matter to these coaches however as its all about the $$$$

It's a professional decision and I don't blame them one bit to be honest. You've got to strike while the iron is hot, especially if you've got a family. There's a limited amount of time you're a legitimate coaching commodity that you can sell. Sucks kind of in terms of there's no loyalty anymore and frankly the loyalty thing cuts both ways.

Would they take back Bower. I always thought that guy did a great job. I was hoping Marshall would get him the last go around. But thus far, Doc seems to be doing OK.

USM will be fine. They have a great program and are turning the corner. Just as long as they don't hit the straight away against us!

(09-23-2014 12:53 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Should we bring Fedora back if UNC fires him? No. We've got a head coach.

Was hiring Fedora in 2008 a good decision? Absolutely. Larry was a perfect fit for USM. He was exactly what we needed: someone willing to talk about USM without making excuses or setting limitations.

Hiring Fedora made a statement: "we're not settling". People who hate Fedora want to settle, for whatever reason. Maybe they just want a nice place to take their kids 3-4 times per year, and real success isn't worth the sacrifices they perceive as necessary, whether financial in nature, or related to what sort of person is running the program.

These people are kind of like minor league baseball fans. It's not about the end result. The victory for them is that they got to watch a baseball game, and it was cheap, and easy to park, and the people in and around the stadium looked and acted like them.

The Fedora hiring was a major repudiation of these people and their faux fandom. Ellis Johnson was their man, 100%, as was Jeff Hammond. The lesson is that the faux fan thought process might work for AAA baseball, but for FBS football it's a catastrophe. You've got to go all-out in FBS ball. If you try to hire a Bower, you'll hire an EJ. If you're content to be in a conference with UH, you'll end up playing UNT. Shoot for the stars, or end up in the sh1tter.

(09-22-2014 11:34 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong.. But we never lost to ECU like that before the Ellis Johnson era did we?

You guys certainly owned the overall series but we did beat ya'll 48-0 before my time back in '76 and by 28 (48-21) when I was a little kid back in '91. The most we ever dropped on ya'll was 55-14 last year but we've never beaten any other team like we did UNC on Saturday. Just think about this for a minute: 10 TDs, 40 first downs, 11 yards shy from 800, 70 points, and if you watched the game, we really should have won by more but for 2 UNC fakes for scores, 2 missed FGs, and putting in 3rd stringers in the 4th.

I think ya'll should get Brett Favre more involved in the program considering his pedigree, allegiance, and roots to the area. Maybe not name him head coach but he should be more visibly involved considering what's at stake here and what he's capable of bringing to the program.

(09-23-2014 02:02 PM)gdunn Wrote:  That is probably one of the best posts I've seen from Andre.

I'll agree, he actually had a couple of things right in his post for a change.

(09-22-2014 10:10 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Absolutely not. The guy is why we are where we are today. Johnson just compounded the issue. He would just hit the road again as soon as he could. A resounding NO from me. Monken will bring us around given the time to do so...

Your post couldn't be more wrong. It was a combination of things... but almost all blame lands on the shoulders of those who hired Ellis Johnson and Ellis Johnson himself.

The cupboard was not bare when Fedora left. Fedora had recruited players to play his system of fast-paced/spread style offense. When Fedora announced he was leaving for UNC... we lost several recruits. A couple (including a key offensive lineman) followed him to UNC. We lost others when Ellis Johnson was named head coach... because they wanted to play in Fedora's offense, not Johnson's. Johnson installed an offense designed to play "the right way" as he called it. This offensive style didn't match the talent we had. It was a disaster. We were relegated to watching a style of offense often seen in junior high. We had players quitting.

Ellis was left scrambling for whatever recruits he could hold onto. Following his disastrous 0-12 season (equal to the death penalty), he had a terrible time recruiting. Nobody wanted to play for a bunch of has-been coaches and a junior high offensive system. Basically a lost recruiting year. Monken comes in and tries to patch together a class. He goes 1-11 with the mess Ellis left behind. Not too many guys want to play for a school that's gone 1-23. Monken did about as good as you could hope for. He recruited players for his system. Hopefully, we'll see things turn around. I still think it will take 4 years from the point of his hire to see winning seasons again.

Rowdy, you are absolutely wrong, but that is Ok. Times are changing, and what is happening at North Carolina is showing that I am right. No doubt Johnson was awful, but Fedora failing to recruit his last two years is a big part of where we are now, no doubt. It doesn't matter, however, both are gone now and I say good riddence.

(09-23-2014 04:10 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Rowdy, you are absolutely wrong, but that is Ok. Times are changing, and what is happening at North Carolina is showing that I am right. No doubt Johnson was awful, but Fedora failing to recruit his last two years is a big part of where we are now, no doubt. It doesn't matter, however, both are gone now and I say good riddence.

Hmmm... back to back winning seasons after taking over a probationary football team and currently 2-1 this season. How is that showing your are right exactly?

(09-23-2014 04:58 PM)RowdyRoost Wrote:  

(09-23-2014 04:10 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Rowdy, you are absolutely wrong, but that is Ok. Times are changing, and what is happening at North Carolina is showing that I am right. No doubt Johnson was awful, but Fedora failing to recruit his last two years is a big part of where we are now, no doubt. It doesn't matter, however, both are gone now and I say good riddence.

Hmmm... back to back winning seasons after taking over a probationary football team and currently 2-1 this season. How is that showing your are right exactly?

it's just nasty rhetoric....he can't help it....

wasn't there something about fedhat signing a longer than usual contract due to the situation he walked into...(that losing scholly thingy can be a biatch)

also, last time I checked.....Shane Carden is pretty damn good....

it's not like the hat doesn't know what losing by double digits is like after putting up 40 ....

it's beyond tard that this is a topic for debate

(09-23-2014 02:43 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  Would they take back Bower. I always thought that guy did a great job. I was hoping Marshall would get him the last go around. But thus far, Doc seems to be doing OK.

USM will be fine. They have a great program and are turning the corner. Just as long as they don't hit the straight away against us!

Firing Jeff Bower was beyond stupidity. USM fans were arrogant and spoiled. They thought they were better than winning records, conference titles and bowl games. Well those arrogant USM fans got their just rewards in going 0-12 and 1-11. Those "mediocre" winning records look pretty damn good these days.

I never understood the Bower firing.

I love Coach Bower, but I call BS on the argument that we should have kept him.

After Lee Roberts, it seemed like there was no way any QB that Coach Bower signed could actually succeed in the offense that the team was trying to run. He was beating teams 3-0, 9-6, etc.

(09-23-2014 06:54 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  I never understood the Bower firing.

"Who else you got?"
That's what did Jeff in.