(09-21-2014 08:33 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 08:26 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 03:40 AM)Bear Wrote:  Skip would not have lost to McNeese State in 2013

How do you know this? He lost to NW State in 2014?

ona team with dramaticall worse recruits that was project horrible to start the season,

skip im almost certain wouldnt have lost to mcnese st...he bnever lost to one ever at usf

Really and how do you know this? Skip went 3-9 the year before with a real QB in BJ when he got hurt we got blown out his last three games and he was using the QB that he would have had to use vs MCNeese and that gave them three TDs in turnovers.
So no you have no idea on wether he would have beaten McNeese in 2013.

Skip is a snake oil salesmen, talks a good game but didn't deliver and he is the major cause that USF had ZERO talent in all the offensive positions in 2013

games are won and lost in the 4th quarter....

yikes Northwestern State puts up 20 in the 4th quarter....outscores La. Tech 20-7 in the 4th to come from behind and win 30-27......

(09-21-2014 09:41 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 08:33 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 08:26 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 03:40 AM)Bear Wrote:  Skip would not have lost to McNeese State in 2013

How do you know this? He lost to NW State in 2014?

ona team with dramaticall worse recruits that was project horrible to start the season,

skip im almost certain wouldnt have lost to mcnese st...he bnever lost to one ever at usf

Really and how do you know this? Skip went 3-9 the year before with a real QB in BJ when he got hurt we got blown out his last three games and he was using the QB that he would have had to use vs MCNeese and that gave them three TDs in turnovers.
So no you have no idea on wether he would have beaten McNeese in 2013.

Skip is a snake oil salesmen, talks a good game but didn't deliver and he is the major cause that USF had ZERO talent in all the offensive positions in 2013

both qbs on the roster are willies qbs that he brought in..you cant blame that he had a real qb...because if skip was still here they'd have certainly been a different qb at the helm one he recruited..la tech's qb had as much tds as white in his 9 game career in 1 game last week

dont get me wrong usf would have been horrible with skip, but skip wouldnt have lost to mcnesse state...willie almost lost to a 4-7 fcs this year who honestly looked like the bettrer team the first half..
la tech lost to an fcs yesterday but they dominated the game but gave it up when they had 2 turnovers in their 20 both with 4 minutes left in the game that lead to TDs..honestly that game was lost by player mistakes not coaching...
usf's loses and struggles to fcs were on the coaching

I hate Skip has fallen so far. I like him personally and still appreciate everything he did while at ECU.

(09-21-2014 10:12 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I hate Skip has fallen so far. I like him personally and still appreciate everything he did while at ECU.

It's the Curse. Look what John Thompson's done since leaving ECU.

(09-21-2014 09:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 09:41 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 08:33 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 08:26 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 03:40 AM)Bear Wrote:  Skip would not have lost to McNeese State in 2013

How do you know this? He lost to NW State in 2014?

ona team with dramaticall worse recruits that was project horrible to start the season,

skip im almost certain wouldnt have lost to mcnese st...he bnever lost to one ever at usf

Really and how do you know this? Skip went 3-9 the year before with a real QB in BJ when he got hurt we got blown out his last three games and he was using the QB that he would have had to use vs MCNeese and that gave them three TDs in turnovers.
So no you have no idea on wether he would have beaten McNeese in 2013.

Skip is a snake oil salesmen, talks a good game but didn't deliver and he is the major cause that USF had ZERO talent in all the offensive positions in 2013

both qbs on the roster are willies qbs that he brought in..you cant blame that he had a real qb...because if skip was still here they'd have certainly been a different qb at the helm one he recruited..la tech's qb had as much tds as white in his 9 game career in 1 game last week

dont get me wrong usf would have been horrible with skip, but skip wouldnt have lost to mcnesse state...willie almost lost to a 4-7 fcs this year who honestly looked like the bettrer team the first half..
la tech lost to an fcs yesterday but they dominated the game but gave it up when they had 2 turnovers in their 20 both with 4 minutes left in the game that lead to TDs..honestly that game was lost by player mistakes not coaching...
usf's loses and struggles to fcs were on the coaching

BS
The qBs that played vs McNeese were NOT brought by Taggart.
By the way same QB that started against McNeese and turned the ball over for three TDs to them. Started for Skip in his last three games where our offense managed 1TD and 4 FG. The kid had no TDs and 5 INTs. We had 117 yds of offense vs Pitt and 204 vs Miami and that was with better running backs and WRs to support him. That my friend is what Skip left us
The reality is that last year we had ZERO QBs due to Skip so we had to play a freshmen with little experience in HS White that should had been RS
Because of Skips recruiting we had no one to play behind our senior halfback at RB
Because of Skip we had ONE WR and had to play walk ons at WR

So you can't tell me that Taggart stepped into all these wonderful recruits Skip had given him

Three recruiting classes by Skip at USF
1 QB the kid that threw the three INTs for TDS for McNeese played for games no TDs 8 INTs no longer playing FBS
5 WRs only one still in team
5 RBs only one started his senior year last year. None left now

How is that for recruiting Skill positions which should be a slam dunk in Florida?

(09-21-2014 10:42 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Three recruiting classes by Skip at USF
1 QB the kid that threw the three INTs for TDS for McNeese played for games no TDs 8 INTs no longer playing FBS
5 WRs only one still in team
5 RBs only one started his senior year last year. None left now

How is that for recruiting Skill positions which should be a slam dunk in Florida?

Yep. I don't know what happened to Skip. I could well be that the game left him behind. He was a pretty much B10 type coach at ECU...play good D and run the ball. Im not sure he was able to transition to the more fast tempo styles that everyone is now playing.

Why do USF fans blame Holtz for everything? Outside of hitting a player, wasn't Leavitt having issues with grades for his players. If I'm not mistaken, USF was under the APR for a few years at the end of Leavitt's career at USF.

(09-21-2014 10:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 09:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 09:41 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 08:33 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 08:26 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  How do you know this? He lost to NW State in 2014?

ona team with dramaticall worse recruits that was project horrible to start the season,

skip im almost certain wouldnt have lost to mcnese st...he bnever lost to one ever at usf

Really and how do you know this? Skip went 3-9 the year before with a real QB in BJ when he got hurt we got blown out his last three games and he was using the QB that he would have had to use vs MCNeese and that gave them three TDs in turnovers.
So no you have no idea on wether he would have beaten McNeese in 2013.

Skip is a snake oil salesmen, talks a good game but didn't deliver and he is the major cause that USF had ZERO talent in all the offensive positions in 2013

both qbs on the roster are willies qbs that he brought in..you cant blame that he had a real qb...because if skip was still here they'd have certainly been a different qb at the helm one he recruited..la tech's qb had as much tds as white in his 9 game career in 1 game last week

dont get me wrong usf would have been horrible with skip, but skip wouldnt have lost to mcnesse state...willie almost lost to a 4-7 fcs this year who honestly looked like the bettrer team the first half..
la tech lost to an fcs yesterday but they dominated the game but gave it up when they had 2 turnovers in their 20 both with 4 minutes left in the game that lead to TDs..honestly that game was lost by player mistakes not coaching...
usf's loses and struggles to fcs were on the coaching

BS
The qBs that played vs McNeese were NOT brought by Taggart.
By the way same QB that started against McNeese and turned the ball over for three TDs to them. Started for Skip in his last three games where our offense managed 1TD and 4 FG. The kid had no TDs and 5 INTs. We had 117 yds of offense vs Pitt and 204 vs Miami and that was with better running backs and WRs to support him. That my friend is what Skip left us
The reality is that last year we had ZERO QBs due to Skip so we had to play a freshmen with little experience in HS White that should had been RS
Because of Skips recruiting we had no one to play behind our senior halfback at RB
Because of Skip we had ONE WR and had to play walk ons at WR

So you can't tell me that Taggart stepped into all these wonderful recruits Skip had given him

DUDE...get off skip and stop looking for excuses for willie
and that qb was a backup original walkon..if skip had stayed he'd have almost certainly brought his own QB from recruiting.. and put in a system for him to succeed in..

and white is in his second year and still deosnt look good, 80% of our league had to play inexperience freshmen qbs last year, half went bowling at the very least looked decent..white finished with a 1 td 8 int ratio his last 5 games.

USF averaged about 40-45 in recruit rankings under holtz...the next closest AAC is in the 60's, mcnesse was in the 300's, skip me the talent, empty co-bard BS ..and are you forgetting the 4star wr that was on the roster that left becuase he didnt like willie (D'Vario Montgomery) or the other receiver that was a starter but left to join skip because he also didnt like willie either..lets not act their werent recievers on the roster when skip left..Davis was consider a star coming into the season,
here are other receiver that were still on the team from holtz
http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiti...kley-82176
https://rivals.yahoo.com/usf/football/re...elch-73122
https://rivals.yahoo.com/usf/football/re...Mut-112420

and lets not forget TE:
https://rivals.yahoo.com/usf/football/re...rice-96638
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8...id=4195979

so when skip left you still had your 2 main WR's, 2 other 4 star recievers, numeorus 3 star and 2 4star TE's ..that guy really left no talent at USF...*rolls eyes* *sarcarm*

and no running back except the 3 other highly touted RB recruits on the roster who were all 3stars ..
i wont even mention the Defense that was on paper stacked, and what should have been an elite level dline, not even for the AAC level but for the nation

and get this over your head...im not saying their werent mistakes made in the mcnese game but you were DOMINATED, they were running out the clock in the early 4th.. that is on the coach..skip had a game plan that mostly worked and should have comfortably beat that fcs team, and it actually worked but 2 simple errors cost them the game with 4 minutes left..despite the fact they were owning the entire game

their was no game plan, you were dominated vs mcnese, int or not the ball wasnt moving, an fcs was running and passing all over you with ease, and if you want to argue that mcnesse had more talent, you have no clue what you are talking about..if you want to argue mcnese had better coaches and out coached and out prepared your team, id argee, their is no excuse that can cover losing to an fcs in that nature
stop blaimng everything on holtz...at one point you are going to realize its on willie...that mcnesse was the largest fbs/fcs blowout in history..before yesterday skips in his entire tenure had never lost to any fcs of any kind...willie almost lost a 4-7 fcs this year..but im sure that is still skips fault aswell

I don't think any blame could be put on Taggart at this time, way too early. My point is there was a reason USF had to hire Hotlz in the first place and that was to clean up the mess Leavitt made.

Gawd Skip....

(09-21-2014 11:20 AM)DiamondKnight Wrote:  I don't think any blame could be put on Taggart at this time, way too early. My point is there was a reason USF had to hire Hotlz in the first place and that was to clean up the mess Leavitt made.

its year 2 and they are hoping for a 4 win season, in a weaker league and they are by far the leagues best recruiters.. how can you not blame taggart

usf fans like to blame talent but i think its the opposite..i think usf is a auburn away from being a top team in this league (went 3-9, fired coach hired guz and went to the NCG the next year)

(09-21-2014 12:11 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(09-20-2014 11:36 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(09-20-2014 11:15 PM)nobledictator1278 Wrote:  I was so angry and disappointed when Skip left us like he did for USF at the time. I am so thankful now that he did. It is nice to feel that your coach isn't looking at every opportunity to leave that comes his way. With that said I'm still glad for what Skip did for our program.... but I will always have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to him.

It took a lot to get us out of that dumpster fire of that coach before him. If he didn't set the new foundation, we wouldn't be where we are now.

Well he sure as hell left our roster without much of a foundation but he did get the program back to winning.

He brought back the fanbase and the non believers. Which in turn, brought in more money for our program.

LOL. Love how all these non USF fans know more about our program than USF fans one.

I never said that Tagart is not partly to blame for bad decisions but the reality is that Skip left USF with very little talent at the QB,RB and WR positions.

(09-21-2014 03:12 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. Love how all these non USF fans know more about our program than USF fans one.

I never said that Tagart is not partly to blame for bad decisions but the reality is that Skip left USF with very little talent at the QB,RB and WR positions.

It doesn't take a person to be a USF fan to understand how teams work. I've been involved with University athletics in fund raising and booster clubs for over 25 years. Its not rocket science.

Vs UConn
Who played the skills positions that I mentioned it?
QB sophomore recruited by Taggart
RB Three played a sophomore and two true freshmen ALL recruited by Taggart
WR Three played 1 recruited by Skip, the other two recruited by Taggart

Ok so where are those talented Skip recruits that should be Seniors or Juniors playing those positions?
No matter how much any of you think you know about USF and its program it's less than those of us that spend most of our time following it. If I stood here talking like an expert on UCF or Houston you know full well you two would be on me about it.
So no neither of you two know more about USF than I do just like I wouldn't argue that I know more about Houston or UCF than either of you.

(09-21-2014 03:12 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. Love how all these non USF fans know more about our program than USF fans one.

I never said that Tagart is not partly to blame for bad decisions but the reality is that Skip left USF with very little talent at the QB,RB and WR positions.

i know i remember 2 seasons ago and usf fans said they were going bowling under taggart and would be competing for the conference title year 1 but i said i didnt think theyd be good...and got heavy slack for it , because i dont know about usf like usf fans.. (i didnt think a coach who's best record was 7-5 in the sunbelt taking over a 3-9 team would be a 9-10 win team like alot of people were saying)

i literally just listed all the touted wr and rbs that were in the team,
i guess your star WR, 2 other 4star wrs, 4 more 3star wrs, 4 3star RBs and 2 4star TE's arent enough talent to beat mcnesse state ..id agree with the qb situation but usf had a history of losing qb recruits under holtz and honestly taggart had enough time to find a qb from the jc level, high school level, and transfers, i know for a fact 4 to 5 highly touted transferring qbs had usf as an option..also he did recruit white..and again temple, smu, houston, tulsa, uconn, memphis, all had to heavily relied on freshmen qbs aswell...

losing doesnt mean their is no talent. and winning doesnt mean your team is stacked talent wise either.. an argument i actually accepted from a usf fan for last year (except the mcnese game which he also felt was unacceptable by taggart), was USF has talent just didnt have the talent to run his unique brand of Stanford style football, that he expected more from this year..

the thing that really made me question taggart is his words, all you USF fans are saying usf didnt have the talent, why wasnt this what we were hearing preseason 2 years ago, if you guys knew your team so well, why werent you gys saying that saying that i heard zero about that 2 seasons ago, i did hear alot of 8-10 win season talk tho...
memphis's fuentes in media day 2 years ago said memphis is just trying to rebuild when asked about conference championship and openly said his teams isnt even close to the conversation yet and has a long way to go and he's not yet liking what he's seen (he evaluated his team)..uconn's diaco when asked about bowling or conference championship completely avoided it and said he just wants to work on things that help his team win and remove things that cause losing, and didnt even answer. Tulane's curtis johnson said, that their goal was just to go bowling and acknowledge the big step up in conference and said that wouldnt be easy..

now comes taggart..in his media day 2 years ago, when asked about the conference championship, he said usf had a great chance to win it, he talked about his team being able to do this and that. that he expectation is that they "will" go bowling, that he expects to come in a and win right away..so after month and months of evaluation of his team that was what he got? does he not know how to evaluate his team and where they are?

and you cant even blame the qb situation on him holtz for this season, why is that still a problem?, taggart has definitely had enough time to bring in his own qb or develop one on the roster...people like to point out usf qb problems but willie didnt see that as a problem, he had 100% faith in white and still does (as he wont put bench in for him), CWT didnt even bring in 1 true qb prospect, he brought in a Dual threat who is a horrible passer almost certain to switch positions in a year

The first thing Taggart said to the boosters went he arrived was how surprised he was at the lack of speed and size on the roster. Of course you might not have heard of it because you weren't in those meetings. I was.
The casual USF fan thought that this was going to be a fast turn around, those close to the program knew that wasn't the case. The team not only was short int the two categories I listed above but even more worrisome, there was no leadership and the team would give up once things got tough. That was seen by Skip going 4-16 in his last 20 games most with a better cast of players than Taggart got in his first season.
All those star recruits you mention never lasted in program.
I have followed and been very close to USF athletics for the past 32 years.
As for all those stars you mentioned, it's funny because what happened with McNeese was the same pattern we had seen under Skip the team plain and simple GAVE up when things got tough. Do I blame Taggart for that? Yes he is the coach but the reality is that he is having to change an entire culture at USF. There was no team playing vs McNeese there were a bunch of players that when things got tough reverted to its about me.
As I said you THINK you know about USF, but you haven't had one on one conversations with Taggart, his assistants, his players. If you did you would know what's really happening at USF and not from reading it on some paper or watching a game.

(09-21-2014 11:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 10:24 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 09:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 09:41 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 08:33 AM)pesik Wrote:  ona team with dramaticall worse recruits that was project horrible to start the season,

skip im almost certain wouldnt have lost to mcnese st...he bnever lost to one ever at usf

Really and how do you know this? Skip went 3-9 the year before with a real QB in BJ when he got hurt we got blown out his last three games and he was using the QB that he would have had to use vs MCNeese and that gave them three TDs in turnovers.
So no you have no idea on wether he would have beaten McNeese in 2013.

Skip is a snake oil salesmen, talks a good game but didn't deliver and he is the major cause that USF had ZERO talent in all the offensive positions in 2013

both qbs on the roster are willies qbs that he brought in..you cant blame that he had a real qb...because if skip was still here they'd have certainly been a different qb at the helm one he recruited..la tech's qb had as much tds as white in his 9 game career in 1 game last week

dont get me wrong usf would have been horrible with skip, but skip wouldnt have lost to mcnesse state...willie almost lost to a 4-7 fcs this year who hMonestly looked like the bettrer team the first half..
la tech lost to an fcs yesterday but they dominated the game but gave it up when they had 2 turnovers in their 20 both with 4 minutes left in the game that lead to TDs..honestly that game was lost by player mistakes not coaching...
usf's loses and struggles to fcs were on the coaching

BS
The qBs that played vs McNeese were NOT brought by Taggart.
By the way same QB that started against McNeese and turned the ball over for three TDs to them. Started for Skip in his last three games where our offense managed 1TD and 4 FG. The kid had no TDs and 5 INTs. We had 117 yds of offense vs Pitt and 204 vs Miami and that was with better running backs and WRs to support him. That my friend is what Skip left us
The reality is that last year we had ZERO QBs due to Skip so we had to play a freshmen with little experience in HS White that should had been RS
Because of Skips recruiting we had no one to play behind our senior halfback at RB
Because of Skip we had ONE WR and had to play walk ons at WR

So you can't tell me that Taggart stepped into all these wonderful recruits Skip had given him

DUDE...get off skip and stop looking for excuses for willie
and that qb was a backup original walkon..if skip had stayed he'd have almost certainly brought his own QB from recruiting.. and put in a system for him to succeed in..

and white is in his second year and still deosnt look good, 80% of our league had to play inexperience freshmen qbs last year, half went bowling at the very least looked decent..white finished with a 1 td 8 int ratio his last 5 games.

USF averaged about 40-45 in recruit rankings under holtz...the next closest AAC is in the 60's, mcnesse was in the 300's, skip me the talent, empty co-bard BS ..and are you forgetting the 4star wr that was on the roster that left becuase he didnt like willie (D'Vario Montgomery) or the other receiver that was a starter but left to join skip because he also didnt like willie either..lets not act their werent recievers on the roster when skip left..Davis was consider a star coming into the season,
here are other receiver that were still on the team from holtz
http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiti...kley-82176
https://rivals.yahoo.com/usf/football/re...elch-73122
https://rivals.yahoo.com/usf/football/re...Mut-112420

and lets not forget TE:
https://rivals.yahoo.com/usf/football/re...rice-96638
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8...id=4195979

so when skip left you still had your 2 main WR's, 2 other 4 star recievers, numeorus 3 star and 2 4star TE's ..that guy really left no talent at USF...*rolls eyes* *sarcarm*

and no running back except the 3 other highly touted RB recruits on the roster who were all 3stars ..
i wont even mention the Defense that was on paper stacked, and what should have been an elite level dline, not even for the AAC level but for the nation

and get this over your head...im not saying their werent mistakes made in the mcnese game but you were DOMINATED, they were running out the clock in the early 4th.. that is on the coach..skip had a game plan that mostly worked and should have comfortably beat that fcs team, and it actually worked but 2 simple errors cost them the game with 4 minutes left..despite the fact they were owning the entire game

their was no game plan, you were dominated vs mcnese, int or not the ball wasnt moving, an fcs was running and passing all over you with ease, and if you want to argue that mcnesse had more talent, you have no clue what you are talking about..if you want to argue mcnese had better coaches and out coached and out prepared your team, id argee, their is no excuse that can cover losing to an fcs in that nature
stop blaimng everything on holtz...at one point you are going to realize its on willie...that mcnesse was the largest fbs/fcs blowout in history..before yesterday skips in his entire tenure had never lost to any fcs of any kind...willie almost lost a 4-7 fcs this year..but im sure that is still skips fault aswell

So you really think you know more about USF recruiting than a diehard USF fan? Worry about your own team....


Holtz destroyed USF football in his approach to recruiting, piss poor assistant coaches and some bewildering game day coaching.