Sj.... Your logic makes no sense regarding sos. It's OK to have one FCS or weak G5 on the schedule. This year is living proof of that. We're getting the most top 25 votes despite a loss and a bad FCS team for our opener.

Fwiw we still don't have any business signing a 1 and 1 but I'd be OK with uncc on schedule.

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(09-16-2014 09:25 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Sj.... Your logic makes no sense regarding sos. It's OK to have one FCS or weak G5 on the schedule. This year is living proof of that. We're getting the most top 25 votes despite a loss and a bad FCS team for our opener.

Fwiw we still don't have any business signing a 1 and 1 but I'd be OK with uncc on schedule.

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UNCC on the schedule is completely different than a home and home. Thats unacceptable.

1) any pirate fan that talks about not doing a home and home w/ another FBS program in the state would to do well to remember the arguments from UNC and NCSU. Its just good business to try and get a 2-1 deal but if not a h&h is ok. I do not think it should be residual but occasionally sure. Its a win for our alumni in the area and fans can make the easy trip to easy ECU play an additional game.

2) ECU has roughly 10k alumni living in CLT metro area alone. There is no way we should agree to play in a 15k seat stadium where we would have zero tickets for our fans. BoA until the 49ers can expand a little bit.

3) Scheduling Charlotte is a better game than central or any other FCS outfit and would not/should not encroach on our tough OOC philosophy.

*I feel the same about scheduling App State and ODU and even more ok with a H&H with Appy as they are an established program with a decent sized stadium. As I said, I'd push for a 2-1 bc thats good business but I wouldn't throw out the conversation for a H&H. VT is playing ODU 2-1 we can do the same with our instate brethren.

(09-16-2014 09:34 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  1) any pirate fan that talks about not doing a home and home w/ another FBS program in the state would to do well to remember the arguments from UNC and NCSU. Its just good business to try and get a 2-1 deal but if not a h&h is ok. I do not think it should be residual but occasionally sure. Its a win for our alumni in the area and fans can make the easy trip to easy ECU play an additional game.

2) ECU has roughly 10k alumni living in CLT metro area alone. There is no way we should agree to play in a 15k seat stadium where we would have zero tickets for our fans. BoA until the 49ers can expand a little bit.

3) Scheduling Charlotte is a better game than central or any other FCS outfit and would not/should not encroach on our tough OOC philosophy.

*I feel the same about scheduling App State and ODU and even more ok with a H&H with Appy as they are an established program with a decent sized stadium. As I said, I'd push for a 2-1 bc thats good business but I wouldn't throw out the conversation for a H&H. VT is playing ODU 2-1 we can do the same with our instate brethren.

No way on earth do we do a H&H with Appy. How many alumni do we have in Boone? We don't recruit the mountains. Would be pointless.

I'm good with that, maybe a 2-2 with the first return game being played in BOA. I'm all for instate teams playing one another. ECU went through hell getting UNC and NCSU to play on a semi-regular basis. If Charlotte's stadium were bigger I would be fine with a straight home and home.

(09-16-2014 09:13 AM)EastCarolinaU. Wrote:  SJ,
I just think ECU is at the point where we should be scheduling 3 BCS teams H&H and getting 1 tune up game. If we went undefeated this season with our schedule, (even with NCCU) we would be in talks as a playoff team.

and if we had schedule, 4 of them a year like Holland did and won them all we'd have an even better shot of getting in.

The problem is now we are going to have an FCS and teams like UNCC on the schedule OOC some years. That assure you have zero shot.

Quote:This is the direction I hope ECU goes in, we don't need murders row. This isn't the 80's or 90's anymore, we need to focus on games we can win so we can earn the g5 bowl spot.

Are we not the highest ranked G5 team right now even with the toughest schedule and a 2-1 record and.666 winning percentage while others are undefeated. If you beat real and respected teams that stuff will work itself out. If we schedule like we have over the years there is no reason we can't be ranked or ranked higher than many of these schools with more losses. If we are truely deserving and won them all no one would catch us with their joke schedules either.

What would suck is to have a crap schedule one year and a really good team that doesn't have the cache on the schedule another team does an is unable to catch them, or even worse a dream season and not even give yourself a chance at a playoff.

Quote:We will still garner national respect and we will still take down the big dogs

so why do you want to play less? Hell go play Wake, Vandy etc they suck at least they are p5 and have some respect.

(09-16-2014 09:34 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  1) any pirate fan that talks about not doing a home and home w/ another FBS program in the state would to do well to remember the arguments from UNC and NCSU. Its just good business to try and get a 2-1 deal but if not a h&h is ok. I do not think it should be residual but occasionally sure. Its a win for our alumni in the area and fans can make the easy trip to easy ECU play an additional game.

Stop. This isn't charity, this is competitive sports where you have a pool of customers (fans) and are competing for the same employees (players). Hell it's big buisness straight up. You don't go help the business down the street because it's the nice thing to do or let it validate it'self to your customers (fans and recruiting pool). You ignore it and do what you do better and run it out of it business and hope it dies. That idealistic crap isn't real life and truth be told, UNC and NC State never playing us would be better for their program. That is reasonable logic.

When Charlotte gets a decent fanbase and some senators behind them then they can "encourage" us to play them like we did UNC and NC State.

(09-16-2014 09:34 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  1) any pirate fan that talks about not doing a home and home w/ another FBS program in the state would to do well to remember the arguments from UNC and NCSU.

Was there anything wrong with those arguments? IMHO, no, there wasn't. These shouldn't be emotionally based decisions. It's just good business sense to not prop up your competition. The fact that we've grown DESPITE their help says a lot about our program if you ask me.

BTW here's UNC's perspective on playing ECU. I actually agreed with them yesterday infact. They be stupid to want to play us because we are a threat to their program. It's not good for them when we get to directly validate ours compared to them.

https://northcarolina.rivals.com/showmsg...589&Page=1

They have far more to lose reputation wise playing us. They hate playing us and I don't blame them at all. Same thing with ECU playing App and UNCC, hell I think we even have more to lose recruiting wise if we lost than ECU does to UNC. It is what it is. Let App and UNCC get the political support we have and fight to make it happen like we did. Don't just give it to them and piss away the only 4 games out of 12 you can even schedule p5 schools now.

First we try to help them both into the same conference now we try to validate them with home and homes. How stupid can you be.

(09-16-2014 09:59 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 09:34 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  1) any pirate fan that talks about not doing a home and home w/ another FBS program in the state would to do well to remember the arguments from UNC and NCSU. Its just good business to try and get a 2-1 deal but if not a h&h is ok. I do not think it should be residual but occasionally sure. Its a win for our alumni in the area and fans can make the easy trip to easy ECU play an additional game.

Stop. This isn't charity, this is competitive sports where you have a pool of customers (fans) and are competing for the same employees (players). Hell it's big buisness straight up. You don't go help the business down the street because it's the nice thing to do or let it validate it'self to your customers (fans and recruiting pool). You ignore it and do what you do better and run it out of it business and hope it dies. That idealistic crap isn't real life and truth be told, UNC and NC State never playing us would be better for their program. That is reasonable logic.

When Charlotte gets a decent fanbase and some senators behind them then they can "encourage" us to play them like we did UNC and NC State.

That is a perfectly acceptable vantage point and you are welcome to it. I however do think there should be some connectivity within our state system. I do not have an issue with throwing a bone to another instate school. Its good karma and leverage if UNC or NCSU decides to be a b*tch again.

(09-16-2014 10:05 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  BTW here's UNC's perspective on playing ECU. I actually agreed with them yesterday infact.

https://northcarolina.rivals.com/showmsg...589&Page=1

They have far more to lose reputation wise playing us. They hate playing us and I don't blame them at all. Same thing with ECU playing App and UNCC, hell I think we even have more to lose recruiting wise if we lost than ECU does to UNC. It is what it is. Let App and UNCC get the political support we have and fight to make it happen like we did. Don't just give it to them and piss away the only 4 games out of 12 you can even schedule p5 schools now.

First we try to help them both into the same conference now we try to validate them with home and homes. How stupid can you be.

I dont need to read the link to know what UNC and NCSU fans think about playing ECU. Its a straw built argument, especially for UNC and NCSU. When was the last time a big recruit chose ECU over either of those schools? Or the last time ECU beating one of them affected their recruiting? Fact is, win or lose it has only a mild affect on recruiting. Until the AAC is acknowledged as a power conf or ECU joins one they will always recruit better under the ACC mantel.

I do agree with you though on ECU having more to lose vs Charlotte or ASU, bc we are all considered Have Nots.

(09-16-2014 09:40 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 09:34 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  1) any pirate fan that talks about not doing a home and home w/ another FBS program in the state would to do well to remember the arguments from UNC and NCSU. Its just good business to try and get a 2-1 deal but if not a h&h is ok. I do not think it should be residual but occasionally sure. Its a win for our alumni in the area and fans can make the easy trip to easy ECU play an additional game.

2) ECU has roughly 10k alumni living in CLT metro area alone. There is no way we should agree to play in a 15k seat stadium where we would have zero tickets for our fans. BoA until the 49ers can expand a little bit.

3) Scheduling Charlotte is a better game than central or any other FCS outfit and would not/should not encroach on our tough OOC philosophy.

*I feel the same about scheduling App State and ODU and even more ok with a H&H with Appy as they are an established program with a decent sized stadium. As I said, I'd push for a 2-1 bc thats good business but I wouldn't throw out the conversation for a H&H. VT is playing ODU 2-1 we can do the same with our instate brethren.

No way on earth do we do a H&H with Appy. How many alumni do we have in Boone? We don't recruit the mountains. Would be pointless.

Valid arguments. I am not advocating the ECU seek scheduling arrangements with ASU or Charlotte, but if the schools are engaged in conversation then it is another matter.

(09-16-2014 10:10 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 09:59 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 09:34 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  1) any pirate fan that talks about not doing a home and home w/ another FBS program in the state would to do well to remember the arguments from UNC and NCSU. Its just good business to try and get a 2-1 deal but if not a h&h is ok. I do not think it should be residual but occasionally sure. Its a win for our alumni in the area and fans can make the easy trip to easy ECU play an additional game.

Stop. This isn't charity, this is competitive sports where you have a pool of customers (fans) and are competing for the same employees (players). Hell it's big buisness straight up. You don't go help the business down the street because it's the nice thing to do or let it validate it'self to your customers (fans and recruiting pool). You ignore it and do what you do better and run it out of it business and hope it dies. That idealistic crap isn't real life and truth be told, UNC and NC State never playing us would be better for their program. That is reasonable logic.

When Charlotte gets a decent fanbase and some senators behind them then they can "encourage" us to play them like we did UNC and NC State.

That is a perfectly acceptable vantage point and you are welcome to it. I however do think there should be some connectivity within our state system. I do not have an issue with throwing a bone to another instate school. Its good karma and leverage if UNC or NCSU decides to be a b*tch again.

Rumor has it, that is part of the reason Terry Holland was supportive of UNCC's promotion to CUSA. Same thing with his campaigning for App St.

(09-16-2014 09:56 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 09:13 AM)EastCarolinaU. Wrote:  SJ,
I just think ECU is at the point where we should be scheduling 3 BCS teams H&H and getting 1 tune up game. If we went undefeated this season with our schedule, (even with NCCU) we would be in talks as a playoff team.

and if we had schedule, 4 of them a year like Holland did and won them all we'd have an even better shot of getting in.

The problem is now we are going to have an FCS and teams like UNCC on the schedule OOC some years. That assure you have zero shot.

Quote:This is the direction I hope ECU goes in, we don't need murders row. This isn't the 80's or 90's anymore, we need to focus on games we can win so we can earn the g5 bowl spot.

Are we not the highest ranked G5 team right now even with the toughest schedule and a 2-1 record and.666 winning percentage while others are undefeated. If you beat real and respected teams that stuff will work itself out. If we schedule like we have over the years there is no reason we can't be ranked or ranked higher than many of these schools with more losses. If we are truely deserving and won them all no one would catch us with their joke schedules either.

What would suck is to have a crap schedule one year and a really good team that doesn't have the cache on the schedule another team does an is unable to catch them, or even worse a dream season and not even give yourself a chance at a playoff.

Quote:We will still garner national respect and we will still take down the big dogs

so why do you want to play less? Hell go play Wake, Vandy etc they suck at least they are p5 and have some respect.

I like how you pick and choose certain parts of my responses and neglect others. Classic SJ response. You defended this years schedule and that's the exact thing im argueing for, however instead of NCCU it COULD be charlotte. At this point Charlotte is no different than an FCS for the next few years. With my model we would play 3 BCS (p5 whatever) and one G5 (uncc) or FCS. Some years this would give us 7 home games. We can't just say HELL LETS GO PLAY WAKE, that's not really how scheduling works.

The 4th game should be a regional FCS or someone like charlotte or ODU

(09-16-2014 10:32 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 10:10 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 09:59 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 09:34 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  1) any pirate fan that talks about not doing a home and home w/ another FBS program in the state would to do well to remember the arguments from UNC and NCSU. Its just good business to try and get a 2-1 deal but if not a h&h is ok. I do not think it should be residual but occasionally sure. Its a win for our alumni in the area and fans can make the easy trip to easy ECU play an additional game.

Stop. This isn't charity, this is competitive sports where you have a pool of customers (fans) and are competing for the same employees (players). Hell it's big buisness straight up. You don't go help the business down the street because it's the nice thing to do or let it validate it'self to your customers (fans and recruiting pool). You ignore it and do what you do better and run it out of it business and hope it dies. That idealistic crap isn't real life and truth be told, UNC and NC State never playing us would be better for their program. That is reasonable logic.

When Charlotte gets a decent fanbase and some senators behind them then they can "encourage" us to play them like we did UNC and NC State.

That is a perfectly acceptable vantage point and you are welcome to it. I however do think there should be some connectivity within our state system. I do not have an issue with throwing a bone to another instate school. Its good karma and leverage if UNC or NCSU decides to be a b*tch again.

Rumor has it, that is part of the reason Terry Holland was supportive of UNCC's promotion to CUSA. Same thing with his campaigning for App St.

Just crap fans made up to cover Holland for potentially one of the dumbest moves in ECU history. Those schools don't give a $hit who else we schedule or try to help out.

(09-16-2014 11:30 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 10:32 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 10:10 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 09:59 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 09:34 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  1) any pirate fan that talks about not doing a home and home w/ another FBS program in the state would to do well to remember the arguments from UNC and NCSU. Its just good business to try and get a 2-1 deal but if not a h&h is ok. I do not think it should be residual but occasionally sure. Its a win for our alumni in the area and fans can make the easy trip to easy ECU play an additional game.

Stop. This isn't charity, this is competitive sports where you have a pool of customers (fans) and are competing for the same employees (players). Hell it's big buisness straight up. You don't go help the business down the street because it's the nice thing to do or let it validate it'self to your customers (fans and recruiting pool). You ignore it and do what you do better and run it out of it business and hope it dies. That idealistic crap isn't real life and truth be told, UNC and NC State never playing us would be better for their program. That is reasonable logic.

When Charlotte gets a decent fanbase and some senators behind them then they can "encourage" us to play them like we did UNC and NC State.

That is a perfectly acceptable vantage point and you are welcome to it. I however do think there should be some connectivity within our state system. I do not have an issue with throwing a bone to another instate school. Its good karma and leverage if UNC or NCSU decides to be a b*tch again.

Rumor has it, that is part of the reason Terry Holland was supportive of UNCC's promotion to CUSA. Same thing with his campaigning for App St.

Just crap fans made up to cover Holland for potentially one of the dumbest moves in ECU history. Those schools don't give a $hit who else we schedule or try to help out.

I'm curious, what move was potentially the dumbest in ECU history?

He tried to get UNCC and ODU into CUSA to give us more regional rivals. For some that's adding competition for recruitment. I don't really buy that line with UNCC but with ODU we do recruit their backyard pretty heavily.

(09-16-2014 11:17 AM)EastCarolinaU. Wrote:  I like how you pick and choose certain parts of my responses and neglect others. Classic SJ response.

I quoted everything but the Florida bodybag game strayoff from the topic and you saying you didn't like scheduling UNCC even though you just made the case to.

Quote:You defended this years schedule and that's the exact thing im argueing for, however instead of NCCU it COULD be charlotte.

I don't defend playing NC Central. I'd rather have another BCS school like Holland routinely got us. However if you are going to play an FCS or sorry G5 schools I sure as hell don't want to play an FCS that's top 10 like Towson and has no fans, and I sure don't want to play a G5 under our nose in the middle of our recruiting base that we could lose to.

Quote:At this point Charlotte is no different than an FCS for the next few years. With my model we would play 3 BCS (p5 whatever) and one G5 (uncc) or FCS. Some years this would give us 7 home games.

I don't like your model either. The AAC isn't a world beat conference, go play some P5's, all you can as in 4 like we have pretty much always done.

Quote:We can't just say HELL LETS GO PLAY WAKE, that's not really how scheduling works.

We could do better than Townson and UNCC. Period. When Holland was here we were buying out Wake and Syracuse games to add VT and South Carolina games, and then paying UAB and USM just to play them for us so we could add more UNC and NC State ones. That's the difference in an AD that can get it done and one that brings the MAC mentality.

Quote:The 4th game should be a regional FCS or someone like charlotte or ODU

We should never play either of those schools. Both are in the middle of our recruiting areas and we already have the advantage over them and everything to lose by playing them and nothing to gain.

(09-16-2014 10:05 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  They have far more to lose reputation wise playing us. They hate playing us and I don't blame them at all.

I disagree every time UNC or NC State makes that stupid argument.

In truth, they have absolutely nothing to lose. Now, I do agree that they don't gain anything by beating us, because to John Q Public it's expected, but they don't lose anything. We destroyed them on the field last year, and when the preseason rankings came out, who was in the top 25? Definitely not ECU. UNC's reputation was not hurt in the least by us beating them, and I have a feeling that if we beat them again this year it will be the same case next year.

(09-16-2014 11:37 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  He tried to get UNCC and ODU into CUSA to give us more regional rivals. For some that's adding competition for recruitment. I don't really buy that line with UNCC but with ODU we do recruit their backyard pretty heavily.

So having the foresight to push for a more economical/regional division was a bad thing?