(09-12-2014 12:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:15 AM)john01992 Wrote:  How much truth do yall think there is to that vtech report?

The ACC has been under attack for years. We have lost the only sickly and diseased member of our herd and replaced him with new and younger stock. Whether the report is true of not, Va. Tech is still in the ACC and not the SEC, UVa is still in the ACC and not the B1G, Carolina is still in the ACC and not the SEC or the B1G, Dook is still in the ACC and not in the B1G, Clemson is still in the ACC and not in the Big 12, FSU is still in the ACC and not in the Big 12, NCSU is still in the ACC and isn't going to the SEC.........are you starting to see a pattern here?

ESPN owns all of the ACC. All! If they can get a fat Big 10 renewal you are vulnerable. They can make more money of marginal properties if they get the right deal with the Big 10. Because then there are marginal ACC properties that make them much more money in the SEC and about 6 more properties (4 of which are marginal) that they can make more money off of in a rebuilt Big 12.

Your security is directly tied to this. If Delany goes all in with FOX then the ACC is secure because ESPN then utilizes the ACC with the SEC to dominate markets during both football and basketball season. Then perhaps a percentage of the PACN will determine the Big 12's future. The issue has always been that ESPN has owned 100% of a conference that was 1. undervalued, and 2. a repository for properties that gave them leverage over 3 conferences that saturate their markets more effectively than the ACC. I wouldn't sleep so well knowing that 100% of my rights were in the hands of a gigantic corporate entity that had multiple options for how to make money off of our future when only 1 of those multiple options includes maintaining the status quo.

(09-12-2014 03:43 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 02:06 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 05:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Don't get worked up. I was just having some sport with the idea that a fourth conference would get made up.

I still see way more profit and overhead reduction by eliminating duplicated governing systems by moving to a 3 x 20. In that scenario both F.S.U. and Clemson are safely at home with neighbors in the SEC:
SEC East: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech
SEC North: Kentucky, N.C. State, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
SEC South: Alabama, Florida State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee
SEC West: Arkansas, Louisiana State, Louisville, Missouri, Texas A&M

Big 10 South: Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Penn State, Virginia
Big 10 East: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse
Big 10 North: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue
Big 10 West: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

PAC 20 East: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
PAC 20 South: Arizona, Arizona State, Baylor, Texas, Texas Tech
PAC 20 West: California, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern California, Utah
PAC 20 North: Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

The only caveat is Northwestern. They would fit right in with ND and BC. But that would make it 21 teams. I might go with 3 divisions of 7. Go to a 10-game schedule.

Duke, UNC, UVA, UMD, PSU, RU, SU
ND, Pitt, Northwestern, BC, Purdue, Michigan State, Indiana
Michigan, Ohio State, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

I've never considered 21. It could have some applications. I'll have to think about this. But the divisions you list would be sweet for the Big 10.

Well, since I've been going down that road, might as well go to 24 and see if it works:

UNL, IA, MN, WI, IL, PU
MSU, UM, OSU, IU, WVU, UMD
NU, ND, Pitt, SU, BC, UConn
RU, PSU, UVA, UNC, Duke, WF

Sorry, you might try someone else other than Wake Forest. UNC and Duke would be enough.

(09-12-2014 09:15 AM)john01992 Wrote:  How much truth do yall think there is to that vtech report?

The report simply said that VT was at the top of the list. That doesn't mean VT was ready to go.

With that being said, the real discussion around here would be IF it is true then how does that affect everyone's views of whom would be high on the SEC list in other area's and States. If it is about Culture, Stadiums, Fan participation and the ability to compete in the SEC then that opens things up to other schools that others around here would say are not possibilities.

(09-12-2014 07:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Sorry, you might try someone else other than Wake Forest. UNC and Duke would be enough.

The other name I could come up with is Navy. That might also do it. But Wake gives a full compliment of sports, which gives them the edge now. If Temple builds an on campus stadium then maybe they get a look.

UNL, IA, MN, WI, IL, PU
MSU, UM, OSU, IU, WVU, UMD
NU, ND, Pitt, SU, BC, Navy
RU, PSU, UVA, UNC, Duke, UConn

I'm really starting to like 4 X 15.

(09-12-2014 07:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:15 AM)john01992 Wrote:  How much truth do yall think there is to that vtech report?

The report simply said that VT was at the top of the list. That doesn't mean VT was ready to go.

With that being said, the real discussion around here would be IF it is true then how does that affect everyone's views of whom would be high on the SEC list in other area's and States. If it is about Culture, Stadiums, Fan participation and the ability to compete in the SEC then that opens things up to other schools that others around here would say are not possibilities.

The truth is they did meet to discuss conference membership at the Greenbriar in West Virginia. But it is not what it appears. The SEC was in talks with North Carolina and met with Virginia Tech, but it was not at the impetus of the SEC, nor of the ACC schools. It was done to work out contingencies for protecting property important to ESPN should there be further unexpected defections to the Big 10 of ESPN property within the ACC. In short it was an escape plan for the key property in the ACC, but an escape where ESPN had access and the ACC schools making the move would earn more.

ESPN is not going to pay the SEC to raid property it owns more cheaply in the ACC. At least not without a danged good reason. FOX is that reason. So yes the talks took place, but neither the SEC nor the ACC schools involved were doing anything other than taking precautions. The fact the talks were held does not mean that Virginia Tech or North Carolina wanted to move. It does mean that if circumstances dictated it the SEC is prepared to protect its interests in the South. Finebaum is just trying to gin up ratings and appear to be in the know.

(09-13-2014 03:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 07:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:15 AM)john01992 Wrote:  How much truth do yall think there is to that vtech report?

The report simply said that VT was at the top of the list. That doesn't mean VT was ready to go.

With that being said, the real discussion around here would be IF it is true then how does that affect everyone's views of whom would be high on the SEC list in other area's and States. If it is about Culture, Stadiums, Fan participation and the ability to compete in the SEC then that opens things up to other schools that others around here would say are not possibilities.

The truth is they did meet to discuss conference membership at the Greenbriar in West Virginia. But it is not what it appears. The SEC was in talks with North Carolina and met with Virginia Tech, but it was not at the impetus of the SEC, nor of the ACC schools. It was done to work out contingencies for protecting property important to ESPN should there be further unexpected defections to the Big 10 of ESPN property within the ACC. In short it was an escape plan for the key property in the ACC, but an escape where ESPN had access and the ACC schools making the move would earn more.

ESPN is not going to pay the SEC to raid property it owns more cheaply in the ACC. At least not without a danged good reason. FOX is that reason. So yes the talks took place, but neither the SEC nor the ACC schools involved were doing anything other than taking precautions. The fact the talks were held does not mean that Virginia Tech or North Carolina wanted to move. It does mean that if circumstances dictated it the SEC is prepared to protect its interests in the South. Finebaum is just trying to gin up ratings and appear to be in the know.

This shows that ESPN, the ACC and the SEC are being very diligent as we wade through the last stages of realignment, and that there is a high level of cooperation.
ESPN's long term approach could possible net the mouse control of, or major access to three conferences out of the remaining four even without the B1G.

(09-13-2014 06:54 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 07:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:15 AM)john01992 Wrote:  How much truth do yall think there is to that vtech report?

The report simply said that VT was at the top of the list. That doesn't mean VT was ready to go.

With that being said, the real discussion around here would be IF it is true then how does that affect everyone's views of whom would be high on the SEC list in other area's and States. If it is about Culture, Stadiums, Fan participation and the ability to compete in the SEC then that opens things up to other schools that others around here would say are not possibilities.

The truth is they did meet to discuss conference membership at the Greenbriar in West Virginia. But it is not what it appears. The SEC was in talks with North Carolina and met with Virginia Tech, but it was not at the impetus of the SEC, nor of the ACC schools. It was done to work out contingencies for protecting property important to ESPN should there be further unexpected defections to the Big 10 of ESPN property within the ACC. In short it was an escape plan for the key property in the ACC, but an escape where ESPN had access and the ACC schools making the move would earn more.

ESPN is not going to pay the SEC to raid property it owns more cheaply in the ACC. At least not without a danged good reason. FOX is that reason. So yes the talks took place, but neither the SEC nor the ACC schools involved were doing anything other than taking precautions. The fact the talks were held does not mean that Virginia Tech or North Carolina wanted to move. It does mean that if circumstances dictated it the SEC is prepared to protect its interests in the South. Finebaum is just trying to gin up ratings and appear to be in the know.

This shows that ESPN, the ACC and the SEC are being very diligent as we wade through the last stages of realignment, and that there is a high level of cooperation.
ESPN's long term approach could possible net the mouse control of, or major access to three conferences out of the remaining four even without the B1G.

The ACC and SEC have been in family with most of this. I feel confident what it will net ESPN is at least virtually all of the valuable property of 3 of the conferences, likely access to the most valuable property of 4 of the conferences, and it could even give them virtually all of two and a half conferences and access to the remaining ones. What it will wind up giving them is yet to be determined but how it plays out will determine the final arrangement of the P teams.

(09-13-2014 06:54 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 07:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:15 AM)john01992 Wrote:  How much truth do yall think there is to that vtech report?

The report simply said that VT was at the top of the list. That doesn't mean VT was ready to go.

With that being said, the real discussion around here would be IF it is true then how does that affect everyone's views of whom would be high on the SEC list in other area's and States. If it is about Culture, Stadiums, Fan participation and the ability to compete in the SEC then that opens things up to other schools that others around here would say are not possibilities.

The truth is they did meet to discuss conference membership at the Greenbriar in West Virginia. But it is not what it appears. The SEC was in talks with North Carolina and met with Virginia Tech, but it was not at the impetus of the SEC, nor of the ACC schools. It was done to work out contingencies for protecting property important to ESPN should there be further unexpected defections to the Big 10 of ESPN property within the ACC. In short it was an escape plan for the key property in the ACC, but an escape where ESPN had access and the ACC schools making the move would earn more.

ESPN is not going to pay the SEC to raid property it owns more cheaply in the ACC. At least not without a danged good reason. FOX is that reason. So yes the talks took place, but neither the SEC nor the ACC schools involved were doing anything other than taking precautions. The fact the talks were held does not mean that Virginia Tech or North Carolina wanted to move. It does mean that if circumstances dictated it the SEC is prepared to protect its interests in the South. Finebaum is just trying to gin up ratings and appear to be in the know.

This shows that ESPN, the ACC and the SEC are being very diligent as we wade through the last stages of realignment, and that there is a high level of cooperation.
ESPN's long term approach could possible net the mouse control of, or major access to three conferences out of the remaining four even without the B1G.

Come on, show you actually understand the situation instead of just displaying your biased agenda to see the Big Ten hurt.

If there is one P4/5 conference that ESPN doesn't have its full clutches in, it would be the PAC by far. They have their own Network AND Fox on equal standing with ESPN at Tier 1. The Big Ten and ESPN work together for Tier 1, no one else.

Get real with all this talk and stop being so blatant with your Big Ten hate. It seriously skews your analyzing.

(09-13-2014 11:51 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:54 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 07:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:15 AM)john01992 Wrote:  How much truth do yall think there is to that vtech report?

The report simply said that VT was at the top of the list. That doesn't mean VT was ready to go.

With that being said, the real discussion around here would be IF it is true then how does that affect everyone's views of whom would be high on the SEC list in other area's and States. If it is about Culture, Stadiums, Fan participation and the ability to compete in the SEC then that opens things up to other schools that others around here would say are not possibilities.

The truth is they did meet to discuss conference membership at the Greenbriar in West Virginia. But it is not what it appears. The SEC was in talks with North Carolina and met with Virginia Tech, but it was not at the impetus of the SEC, nor of the ACC schools. It was done to work out contingencies for protecting property important to ESPN should there be further unexpected defections to the Big 10 of ESPN property within the ACC. In short it was an escape plan for the key property in the ACC, but an escape where ESPN had access and the ACC schools making the move would earn more.

ESPN is not going to pay the SEC to raid property it owns more cheaply in the ACC. At least not without a danged good reason. FOX is that reason. So yes the talks took place, but neither the SEC nor the ACC schools involved were doing anything other than taking precautions. The fact the talks were held does not mean that Virginia Tech or North Carolina wanted to move. It does mean that if circumstances dictated it the SEC is prepared to protect its interests in the South. Finebaum is just trying to gin up ratings and appear to be in the know.

This shows that ESPN, the ACC and the SEC are being very diligent as we wade through the last stages of realignment, and that there is a high level of cooperation.
ESPN's long term approach could possible net the mouse control of, or major access to three conferences out of the remaining four even without the B1G.

Come on, show you actually understand the situation instead of just displaying your biased agenda to see the Big Ten hurt.

If there is one P4/5 conference that ESPN doesn't have its full clutches in, it would be the PAC by far. They have their own Network AND Fox on equal standing with ESPN at Tier 1. The Big Ten and ESPN work together for Tier 1, no one else.

Get real with all this talk and stop being so blatant with your Big Ten hate. It seriously skews your analyzing.

H1,
The Newberry guy over on the ACC board is blatant about his dislike for the ACC. There isn't anyone around here that has come close to talking about the B1G that way.

(09-13-2014 01:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 11:51 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:54 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 07:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The report simply said that VT was at the top of the list. That doesn't mean VT was ready to go.

With that being said, the real discussion around here would be IF it is true then how does that affect everyone's views of whom would be high on the SEC list in other area's and States. If it is about Culture, Stadiums, Fan participation and the ability to compete in the SEC then that opens things up to other schools that others around here would say are not possibilities.

The truth is they did meet to discuss conference membership at the Greenbriar in West Virginia. But it is not what it appears. The SEC was in talks with North Carolina and met with Virginia Tech, but it was not at the impetus of the SEC, nor of the ACC schools. It was done to work out contingencies for protecting property important to ESPN should there be further unexpected defections to the Big 10 of ESPN property within the ACC. In short it was an escape plan for the key property in the ACC, but an escape where ESPN had access and the ACC schools making the move would earn more.

ESPN is not going to pay the SEC to raid property it owns more cheaply in the ACC. At least not without a danged good reason. FOX is that reason. So yes the talks took place, but neither the SEC nor the ACC schools involved were doing anything other than taking precautions. The fact the talks were held does not mean that Virginia Tech or North Carolina wanted to move. It does mean that if circumstances dictated it the SEC is prepared to protect its interests in the South. Finebaum is just trying to gin up ratings and appear to be in the know.

This shows that ESPN, the ACC and the SEC are being very diligent as we wade through the last stages of realignment, and that there is a high level of cooperation.
ESPN's long term approach could possible net the mouse control of, or major access to three conferences out of the remaining four even without the B1G.

Come on, show you actually understand the situation instead of just displaying your biased agenda to see the Big Ten hurt.

If there is one P4/5 conference that ESPN doesn't have its full clutches in, it would be the PAC by far. They have their own Network AND Fox on equal standing with ESPN at Tier 1. The Big Ten and ESPN work together for Tier 1, no one else.

Get real with all this talk and stop being so blatant with your Big Ten hate. It seriously skews your analyzing.

H1,
The Newberry guy over on the ACC board is blatant about his dislike for the ACC. There isn't anyone around here that has come close to talking about the B1G that way.

I'm not saying you are the worst bud. I'm not even saying it is a terrible thing for you to have an anti Big Ten bias. I am just pointing out in this situation that it is pretty obvious that when it comes to the whole ESPN thing and tv contracts, you are seriously hoping for bad things to happen to the Big Ten.

(09-13-2014 01:30 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 01:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 11:51 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:54 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The truth is they did meet to discuss conference membership at the Greenbriar in West Virginia. But it is not what it appears. The SEC was in talks with North Carolina and met with Virginia Tech, but it was not at the impetus of the SEC, nor of the ACC schools. It was done to work out contingencies for protecting property important to ESPN should there be further unexpected defections to the Big 10 of ESPN property within the ACC. In short it was an escape plan for the key property in the ACC, but an escape where ESPN had access and the ACC schools making the move would earn more.

ESPN is not going to pay the SEC to raid property it owns more cheaply in the ACC. At least not without a danged good reason. FOX is that reason. So yes the talks took place, but neither the SEC nor the ACC schools involved were doing anything other than taking precautions. The fact the talks were held does not mean that Virginia Tech or North Carolina wanted to move. It does mean that if circumstances dictated it the SEC is prepared to protect its interests in the South. Finebaum is just trying to gin up ratings and appear to be in the know.

This shows that ESPN, the ACC and the SEC are being very diligent as we wade through the last stages of realignment, and that there is a high level of cooperation.
ESPN's long term approach could possible net the mouse control of, or major access to three conferences out of the remaining four even without the B1G.

Come on, show you actually understand the situation instead of just displaying your biased agenda to see the Big Ten hurt.

If there is one P4/5 conference that ESPN doesn't have its full clutches in, it would be the PAC by far. They have their own Network AND Fox on equal standing with ESPN at Tier 1. The Big Ten and ESPN work together for Tier 1, no one else.

Get real with all this talk and stop being so blatant with your Big Ten hate. It seriously skews your analyzing.

H1,
The Newberry guy over on the ACC board is blatant about his dislike for the ACC. There isn't anyone around here that has come close to talking about the B1G that way.

I'm not saying you are the worst bud. I'm not even saying it is a terrible thing for you to have an anti Big Ten bias. I am just pointing out in this situation that it is pretty obvious that when it comes to the whole ESPN thing and tv contracts, you are seriously hoping for bad things to happen to the Big Ten.

Heck no! If you listen to half of the folks around here, Carolina is liable to be in the B1G before the season is over. Why would I want to say anything bad about my new conference mates?

(09-13-2014 01:50 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 01:30 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 01:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 11:51 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:54 AM)XLance Wrote:  This shows that ESPN, the ACC and the SEC are being very diligent as we wade through the last stages of realignment, and that there is a high level of cooperation.
ESPN's long term approach could possible net the mouse control of, or major access to three conferences out of the remaining four even without the B1G.

Come on, show you actually understand the situation instead of just displaying your biased agenda to see the Big Ten hurt.

If there is one P4/5 conference that ESPN doesn't have its full clutches in, it would be the PAC by far. They have their own Network AND Fox on equal standing with ESPN at Tier 1. The Big Ten and ESPN work together for Tier 1, no one else.

Get real with all this talk and stop being so blatant with your Big Ten hate. It seriously skews your analyzing.

H1,
The Newberry guy over on the ACC board is blatant about his dislike for the ACC. There isn't anyone around here that has come close to talking about the B1G that way.

I'm not saying you are the worst bud. I'm not even saying it is a terrible thing for you to have an anti Big Ten bias. I am just pointing out in this situation that it is pretty obvious that when it comes to the whole ESPN thing and tv contracts, you are seriously hoping for bad things to happen to the Big Ten.

Heck no! If you listen to half of the folks around here, Carolina is liable to be in the B1G before the season is over. Why would I want to say anything bad about my new conference mates?

That's because they aren't listening to me XLance. That bus has done left the building.

VT has been rumored by B1G "insiders" to be moving up the B1G's list as well for awhile now. They really are a great B1G fit, except for the lack of AAU status, even better than UVA IMO. Mostly I hear UNC is not realistic for the B1G or they are upset with UNC about whatever went down around the time UMD left. UVA has cooled some as well, but is still a top candidate. They like GT, but it is on an island without at least one school in VA or NC. Northern ACC schools (Pitt, Syracuse, and BC) get a lot of play by MB posters, but I never see the "insiders" bring them up really. Who knows maybe those rumors have some truth, maybe full of crap, might be a mix (most likely). H1 probably knows better than I, since I assume he spends way more time on B1G boards.

The VT/SEC rumor is a given since the SEC has coveted a school in VA and NC for awhile now. Pretty sure they (and the B1G) have been in close contact with all the major properties in the B12 and ACC.

I don't spend much time on Big Ten boards. For the most part their "insiders" don't pop off with anything more "advanced" than what I put out.

Just ask JR. I talked about the value of VT to the Big Ten awhile ago. I even pointed out how much VT and some of the Major powers of the Big Ten are now scheduling each other OOC. That is evidence of discussions and relations being made. That doesn't necessarily mean it is to the level of possibly joining, but that does mean that the parties are having discussions and who knows what comes up during those discussions.

(09-15-2014 07:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I don't spend much time on Big Ten boards. For the most part their "insiders" don't pop off with anything more "advanced" than what I put out.

Just ask JR. I talked about the value of VT to the Big Ten awhile ago. I even pointed out how much VT and some of the Major powers of the Big Ten are now scheduling each other OOC. That is evidence of discussions and relations being made. That doesn't necessarily mean it is to the level of possibly joining, but that does mean that the parties are having discussions and who knows what comes up during those discussions.

They all have discussions. It's just doing their job to know what they are worth and to whom. VT would be valuable to either the Big 10 or SEC. I do think that the issues on the field in the Big 10 could serve as a catalyst to a final move in the realignment game at the end of the year. What better time to convince the presidents of the old line AAU schools that they need to consider adding some non AAU schools. I'm not saying it will happen but the window for it will be there if they want to push it. We'll see. And, besides, the Big 10 might need a couple of more additions to put some pizazz in their negotiations with the networks for before their contract is up. This season might not provide the leverage they are looking for.

(09-15-2014 10:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 07:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I don't spend much time on Big Ten boards. For the most part their "insiders" don't pop off with anything more "advanced" than what I put out.

Just ask JR. I talked about the value of VT to the Big Ten awhile ago. I even pointed out how much VT and some of the Major powers of the Big Ten are now scheduling each other OOC. That is evidence of discussions and relations being made. That doesn't necessarily mean it is to the level of possibly joining, but that does mean that the parties are having discussions and who knows what comes up during those discussions.

They all have discussions. It's just doing their job to know what they are worth and to whom. VT would be valuable to either the Big 10 or SEC. I do think that the issues on the field in the Big 10 could serve as a catalyst to a final move in the realignment game at the end of the year. What better time to convince the presidents of the old line AAU schools that they need to consider adding some non AAU schools. I'm not saying it will happen but the window for it will be there if they want to push it. We'll see. And, besides, the Big 10 might need a couple of more additions to put some pizazz in their negotiations with the networks for before their contract is up. This season might not provide the leverage they are looking for.

Now you are thinking from the top up.

(09-15-2014 11:54 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 10:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 07:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I don't spend much time on Big Ten boards. For the most part their "insiders" don't pop off with anything more "advanced" than what I put out.

Just ask JR. I talked about the value of VT to the Big Ten awhile ago. I even pointed out how much VT and some of the Major powers of the Big Ten are now scheduling each other OOC. That is evidence of discussions and relations being made. That doesn't necessarily mean it is to the level of possibly joining, but that does mean that the parties are having discussions and who knows what comes up during those discussions.

They all have discussions. It's just doing their job to know what they are worth and to whom. VT would be valuable to either the Big 10 or SEC. I do think that the issues on the field in the Big 10 could serve as a catalyst to a final move in the realignment game at the end of the year. What better time to convince the presidents of the old line AAU schools that they need to consider adding some non AAU schools. I'm not saying it will happen but the window for it will be there if they want to push it. We'll see. And, besides, the Big 10 might need a couple of more additions to put some pizazz in their negotiations with the networks for before their contract is up. This season might not provide the leverage they are looking for.

Now you are thinking from the top up.

OSU, NU, and other schools less concerned with AAU status will definitely have more ammo for discussing additions like OU, VT, FSU, or even Clemson. This FB season has been disastrous for the B1G so far. A real eye-opener. They might need to make some academic concessions ala the ACC (Louisville addition) to try to improve their football product. Throw in that B1G T1 coming soon and the new P5 autonomy issues, it should be interesting this winter.

I think ESPN will come hard for the B1G T1. I just wonder if FOX will make a godfather offer like they did to get the NFC away from CBS. More B1G games on their Fox sports channel would help a lot to get more eastern time zone people watching it (PAC and B12 get CST, PST, and MST viewers).

(09-16-2014 01:46 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 11:54 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 10:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 07:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I don't spend much time on Big Ten boards. For the most part their "insiders" don't pop off with anything more "advanced" than what I put out.

Just ask JR. I talked about the value of VT to the Big Ten awhile ago. I even pointed out how much VT and some of the Major powers of the Big Ten are now scheduling each other OOC. That is evidence of discussions and relations being made. That doesn't necessarily mean it is to the level of possibly joining, but that does mean that the parties are having discussions and who knows what comes up during those discussions.

They all have discussions. It's just doing their job to know what they are worth and to whom. VT would be valuable to either the Big 10 or SEC. I do think that the issues on the field in the Big 10 could serve as a catalyst to a final move in the realignment game at the end of the year. What better time to convince the presidents of the old line AAU schools that they need to consider adding some non AAU schools. I'm not saying it will happen but the window for it will be there if they want to push it. We'll see. And, besides, the Big 10 might need a couple of more additions to put some pizazz in their negotiations with the networks for before their contract is up. This season might not provide the leverage they are looking for.

Now you are thinking from the top up.

OSU, NU, and other schools less concerned with AAU status will definitely have more ammo for discussing additions like OU, VT, FSU, or even Clemson. This FB season has been disastrous for the B1G so far. A real eye-opener. They might need to make some academic concessions ala the ACC (Louisville addition) to try to improve their football product. Throw in that B1G T1 coming soon and the new P5 autonomy issues, it should be interesting this winter.

I think ESPN will come hard for the B1G T1. I just wonder if FOX will make a godfather offer like they did to get the NFC away from CBS. More B1G games on their Fox sports channel would help a lot to get more eastern time zone people watching it (PAC and B12 get CST, PST, and MST viewers).

Joining the Big 10 would be the death knell of the Clemson and Florida State programs and they know it. But the distribution of ACC properties to lock down the best property in the Northern Midwest, enhance the value of the properties held in the Northeast and along part of the mid Atlantic, solidify the footprint of the most valuable property ESPN holds (SEC), and reinvigorate a conference of equal strength in the Mid to Southwest would be to do this:

Connecticut, Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Notre Dame, and Syracuse to the Big 10.
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, N.C. State, and Virginia Tech to the SEC.
Boston College, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Colorado State and B.Y.U. for the Big 12.

Northeast: Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
Plains: Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State
East Texas: Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas
West: Colorado State, Brigham Young, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

Now the Big 12 has a much larger footprint. Sure C.S.U. is a push but they are enhancing facilities and with the right opposition could become the college football school for the Denver market and it would make a nice western division for the Cougars to emerge from. Kansas State or Cincy would likely emerge from the Plains, UT and OU from East Texas, and a nice balance of competition for the Northeast.

The Big 10 is now king of basketball, the SEC king of Southeastern football and sports in general for the region, and Texas has a bigger empire worth ruling with the Sooners.

The PAC remains the West Coast gulag as far as the major networks are concerned and that's okay.