(09-12-2014 01:26 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 11:02 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 11:01 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  NIU needs to change their name so they will not be considered a directional school.

Says a Southern Methodist fan?

In case you did not know Southern Methodist is a Private school in the southern part of the United States, not a direction in a state..

The average person who would be swayed by such a name often doenst know or care about whether a school is public or private.


There are a whole lot of USC, Boston college, and Miami fans who don't know their school is private and not the "local" school.

(09-12-2014 05:18 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 08:45 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  


Calling out the Illini and Big Ten...

Why won't you pick up the phone Illini? NIU the best college football team in the state of Illinois for the third straight year.

https://twitter.com/BrianHamiltonSI/stat...97/photo/1

- NIU best team in Illinois (Northwestern and Illinois)
- Ball State has beaten Indiana last three times they played over the last 5 years and can claim best "Public" State College Football Team in Indiana (Purdue and Indiana)
- UB New York Bulls claiming to be the Flagship team of New York and a CMU victory over Syracuse tomorrow can allow UB to claim the state (Syracuse and Army)

MAC isn't doing too bad in the backyard of the Big Ten.

You do realize that CMU and UB are two different schools, right? UB isn't even the best state school in the state, nor is it the most well known public school in the state.

To be fair most people don't know that Cornell is part public. Outside of them I think it is pretty much a wash for the largest SUNY centers. Buffalo is at least a fair sized city with pro teams so I actually give it an edge over the other centers such as Albany or Binghamton.

Directional isn't so much a negative when your state has over 10 million people.

Northern Illinois
Central Florida
Southern California
East Carolina

It's when you have a smaller state it hurts more.

Eastern Kentucky
SE Missouri State

I don't think many people consider USC directional. It's a private school after all, unlike the others.

I don't think there is scientific proof that a directional name hurts a school.

(09-12-2014 08:16 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 05:18 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 08:45 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  


Calling out the Illini and Big Ten...

Why won't you pick up the phone Illini? NIU the best college football team in the state of Illinois for the third straight year.

https://twitter.com/BrianHamiltonSI/stat...97/photo/1

- NIU best team in Illinois (Northwestern and Illinois)
- Ball State has beaten Indiana last three times they played over the last 5 years and can claim best "Public" State College Football Team in Indiana (Purdue and Indiana)
- UB New York Bulls claiming to be the Flagship team of New York and a CMU victory over Syracuse tomorrow can allow UB to claim the state (Syracuse and Army)

MAC isn't doing too bad in the backyard of the Big Ten.

You do realize that CMU and UB are two different schools, right? UB isn't even the best state school in the state, nor is it the most well known public school in the state.

To be fair most people don't know that Cornell is part public. Outside of them I think it is pretty much a wash for the largest SUNY centers. Buffalo is at least a fair sized city with pro teams so I actually give it an edge over the other centers such as Albany or Binghamton.

Nobody in NY cares about Buffalo, and Army is far and away the most well-known public (albeit federal) school in NY. It isn't even close.

(09-12-2014 08:53 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I don't think many people consider USC directional. It's a private school after all, unlike the others.

Calling USC directional is a HUGE stretch.

(09-12-2014 09:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 08:16 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 05:18 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 08:45 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  


Calling out the Illini and Big Ten...

Why won't you pick up the phone Illini? NIU the best college football team in the state of Illinois for the third straight year.

https://twitter.com/BrianHamiltonSI/stat...97/photo/1

- NIU best team in Illinois (Northwestern and Illinois)
- Ball State has beaten Indiana last three times they played over the last 5 years and can claim best "Public" State College Football Team in Indiana (Purdue and Indiana)
- UB New York Bulls claiming to be the Flagship team of New York and a CMU victory over Syracuse tomorrow can allow UB to claim the state (Syracuse and Army)

MAC isn't doing too bad in the backyard of the Big Ten.

You do realize that CMU and UB are two different schools, right? UB isn't even the best state school in the state, nor is it the most well known public school in the state.

To be fair most people don't know that Cornell is part public. Outside of them I think it is pretty much a wash for the largest SUNY centers. Buffalo is at least a fair sized city with pro teams so I actually give it an edge over the other centers such as Albany or Binghamton.

Nobody in NY cares about Buffalo, bad Army is far and away the most well-known public (albeit federal) school in NY. It isn't even close.

Oh you are going to go with Army? Army is not a NY school it is more like most private schools where it is a school located in a state but not representative of it.

That said I like Army but most people do not connect Army with NY football. I think with NY you need to actually consider its unique decision on college athletics and how schools are used in a state with how you want to say which is the most well known.

So which school are you going with? Part of Cornell, a SUNY school, or a CUNY school?

How about bias toward a school named after a city not a state?

No school in the SEC, PAC, B1G and B12 are named after a city. Only in the ACC, AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC do you find "city" schools.

(09-12-2014 09:10 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  How about bias toward a school named after a city not a state?

No school in the SEC, PAC, B1G and B12 are named after a city. Only in the ACC, AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC do you find "city" schools.

Auburn, AL

(09-12-2014 09:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 08:16 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 05:18 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  You do realize that CMU and UB are two different schools, right? UB isn't even the best state school in the state, nor is it the most well known public school in the state.

To be fair most people don't know that Cornell is part public. Outside of them I think it is pretty much a wash for the largest SUNY centers. Buffalo is at least a fair sized city with pro teams so I actually give it an edge over the other centers such as Albany or Binghamton.

Nobody in NY cares about Buffalo, bad Army is far and away the most well-known public (albeit federal) school in NY. It isn't even close.

Army isn't 'public' in the traditional definition of higher education such as state-operated institutions. It's a federal academy chartered for a military focus, like the FBI academy is a non-military federal academy for agents and analysts. And an average Joe can't just walk into West Point after hours with access to most of the campus like the public can do at a state institution.

Also love how you continue to paint UB as some sort of Cazenovia or Hilbert when it comes to it's brand awareness.

(09-12-2014 09:21 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:10 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  How about bias toward a school named after a city not a state?

No school in the SEC, PAC, B1G and B12 are named after a city. Only in the ACC, AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC do you find "city" schools.

Auburn, AL

Stanford, CA

UCLA....

Full names of other schools
The University of Texas at Austin
University of Wisconsin–Madison
University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign
University of Nebraska–Lincoln

(09-12-2014 09:56 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:21 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:10 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  How about bias toward a school named after a city not a state?

No school in the SEC, PAC, B1G and B12 are named after a city. Only in the ACC, AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC do you find "city" schools.

Auburn, AL

Stanford, CA

UCLA....

Full names of other schools
The University of Texas at Austin
University of Wisconsin–Madison
University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign
University of Nebraska–Lincoln

Stanford is in Palo Alto, Ca. Named for the Stanford benefactor

I'm glad that Army isn't representative of their home state. New York is a crazy place.

Apparently, Buffalo's defeat to ARMY has allowed them to claim state's supremacy.

(09-12-2014 09:43 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 08:16 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 05:18 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  You do realize that CMU and UB are two different schools, right? UB isn't even the best state school in the state, nor is it the most well known public school in the state.

To be fair most people don't know that Cornell is part public. Outside of them I think it is pretty much a wash for the largest SUNY centers. Buffalo is at least a fair sized city with pro teams so I actually give it an edge over the other centers such as Albany or Binghamton.

Nobody in NY cares about Buffalo, bad Army is far and away the most well-known public (albeit federal) school in NY. It isn't even close.

Army isn't 'public' in the traditional definition of higher education such as state-operated institutions. It's a federal academy chartered for a military focus, like the FBI academy is a non-military federal academy for agents and analysts. And an average Joe can't just walk into West Point after hours with access to most of the campus like the public can do at a state institution.

Also love how you continue to paint UB as some sort of Cazenovia or Hilbert when it comes to it's brand awareness.

Army isn't public, it's just state funded and in no way private? I'm not sure how that's not the definition of public. Its 100% very clearly government funded.

And I love how you pretend that UB matters. It doesn't. Even in Buffalo, UB isn't a big deal. Don't pretend otherwise.

(09-12-2014 10:44 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I'm glad that Army isn't representative of their home state. New York is a crazy place.

Apparently, Buffalo's defeat to ARMY has allowed them to claim state's supremacy.

Buffalo fans get defensive due to insecurity. I don't blame them.

(09-12-2014 11:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:43 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 08:16 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 05:18 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  You do realize that CMU and UB are two different schools, right? UB isn't even the best state school in the state, nor is it the most well known public school in the state.

To be fair most people don't know that Cornell is part public. Outside of them I think it is pretty much a wash for the largest SUNY centers. Buffalo is at least a fair sized city with pro teams so I actually give it an edge over the other centers such as Albany or Binghamton.

Nobody in NY cares about Buffalo, bad Army is far and away the most well-known public (albeit federal) school in NY. It isn't even close.

Army isn't 'public' in the traditional definition of higher education such as state-operated institutions. It's a federal academy chartered for a military focus, like the FBI academy is a non-military federal academy for agents and analysts. And an average Joe can't just walk into West Point after hours with access to most of the campus like the public can do at a state institution.

Also love how you continue to paint UB as some sort of Cazenovia or Hilbert when it comes to it's brand awareness.

Army isn't public, it's just state funded and in no way private? I'm not sure how that's not the definition of public. Its 100% very clearly government funded.

And I love how you pretend that UB matters. It doesn't. Even in Buffalo, UB isn't a big deal. Don't pretend otherwise.

The academies are not connected to state systems, so they are not considered public in the traditional sense. Not everything is black and white, such as universities being public or private. Would a Baltimore native say Navy is the better public football team than Maryland? No, because they aren't similar institutionally.

Hmm so UB isn't a big deal even though it's football ratings are often equal to the Sabres and crush the majority of CFB ratings here? Sorry to say you know very little about what UB is since you don't live here, or you've chosen to ignore all the ratings I've posted over the years, most gathered from the Buffalo News' media reporter who often writes glowingly about the strength of UB's ratings...and he's an SU grad.

(09-12-2014 09:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The Illini will certainly pick up the phone if NIU wants to play a game in Champaign (and we've done that a couple of times with NIU over the past decade). We're absolutely not using the 1 non-conference road game that we have every 2 years (which is the financial reality when the Big Ten goes to 9 conference games per year) traveling to DeKalb, though. That's a financial non-starter.

So wait a second ....

The Big Ten, who apparently has the richest television deal of all the conferences with their own network, NEEDS 7 home games because of money??

That doesn't make any sense.

If anything, because of the riches the Big Ten Network provides, it should be EASIER for Big Ten schools to play only 6 home games a year ... or accommodate neutral site games like the one proposed in this thread in Soldier Field.



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(09-12-2014 11:20 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 11:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:43 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 08:16 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  To be fair most people don't know that Cornell is part public. Outside of them I think it is pretty much a wash for the largest SUNY centers. Buffalo is at least a fair sized city with pro teams so I actually give it an edge over the other centers such as Albany or Binghamton.

Nobody in NY cares about Buffalo, bad Army is far and away the most well-known public (albeit federal) school in NY. It isn't even close.

Army isn't 'public' in the traditional definition of higher education such as state-operated institutions. It's a federal academy chartered for a military focus, like the FBI academy is a non-military federal academy for agents and analysts. And an average Joe can't just walk into West Point after hours with access to most of the campus like the public can do at a state institution.

Also love how you continue to paint UB as some sort of Cazenovia or Hilbert when it comes to it's brand awareness.

Army isn't public, it's just state funded and in no way private? I'm not sure how that's not the definition of public. Its 100% very clearly government funded.

And I love how you pretend that UB matters. It doesn't. Even in Buffalo, UB isn't a big deal. Don't pretend otherwise.

The academies are not connected to state systems, so they are not considered public in the traditional sense. Not everything is black and white, such as universities being public or private. Would a Baltimore native say Navy is the better public football team than Maryland? No, because they aren't similar institutionally.

Hmm so UB isn't a big deal even though it's football ratings are often equal to the Sabres and crush the majority of CFB ratings here? Sorry to say you know very little about what UB is since you don't live here, or you've chosen to ignore all the ratings I've posted over the years, most gathered from the Buffalo News' media reporter who often writes glowingly about the strength of UB's ratings...and he's an SU grad.

They absolutely are gov. funded, therefore they absolutely are public in the traditional sense. Army is also in West Point, NY, which is in NY. I have no idea why you're trying to argue otherwise. I never said it was state funded. Institutions can be public but not state funded.

Yeah, UB's ratings are in line with the other sports in the city. Like I said, not that big of a deal. If they were a big deal, they would stand out, no? Have some standards.

"Not everything is black and white, such as universities being public or private."

This very clearly isn't a Pitt/PSU/Cornell/Alfred/Syracuse situation. There is no private element to Army. It's 0% private, and 100% public. The fact that you're arguing that Army isn't public is ridiculous, delusional, and desperate. Arguably the most prominent institution in the American government is part of the American government. That's a fact.

"Would a Baltimore native say Navy is the better public football team than Maryland?"

No, because UMD fields a stronger team.

(09-12-2014 09:09 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 09:03 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 08:16 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 05:18 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-12-2014 08:45 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  


Calling out the Illini and Big Ten...

Why won't you pick up the phone Illini? NIU the best college football team in the state of Illinois for the third straight year.

https://twitter.com/BrianHamiltonSI/stat...97/photo/1

- NIU best team in Illinois (Northwestern and Illinois)
- Ball State has beaten Indiana last three times they played over the last 5 years and can claim best "Public" State College Football Team in Indiana (Purdue and Indiana)
- UB New York Bulls claiming to be the Flagship team of New York and a CMU victory over Syracuse tomorrow can allow UB to claim the state (Syracuse and Army)

MAC isn't doing too bad in the backyard of the Big Ten.

You do realize that CMU and UB are two different schools, right? UB isn't even the best state school in the state, nor is it the most well known public school in the state.

To be fair most people don't know that Cornell is part public. Outside of them I think it is pretty much a wash for the largest SUNY centers. Buffalo is at least a fair sized city with pro teams so I actually give it an edge over the other centers such as Albany or Binghamton.

Nobody in NY cares about Buffalo, and Army is far and away the most well-known public (albeit federal) school in NY. It isn't even close.

Oh you are going to go with Army? Army is not a NY school it is more like most private schools where it is a school located in a state but not representative of it.

That said I like Army but most people do not connect Army with NY football. I think with NY you need to actually consider its unique decision on college athletics and how schools are used in a state with how you want to say which is the most well known.

So which school are you going with? Part of Cornell, a SUNY school, or a CUNY school?

Army isn't private. It's a public school located in NY state. That's a fact.

Most people don't connect Buffalo with NY football, either. Syracuse is the only BCS team in the state, and far and away the most popular team in the state, flowed by ND (if I had to guess), then PSU, then Rutgers, then *maybe* Buffalo (with a very real possibility of Army).

As for academic, Cornell Ag is probably the best public school in the state. It's ranked #1 in it's field and widely respected beyond it's the narrow confines of agriculture (Cornell's very highly rated undergraduate business school is housed in Ag).

Nothing that I've said is even remotely controversial.