(09-04-2014 10:40 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: As I've stated many times, let's go with all announced, or all actual scanned tickets/butts in seats. USF announces both. But since most only use announced, it causes confusion. Either one is fine with me, but let's be standard across the board. If we're going with announced, then use that figure only for all schools. It just makes sense.
Every school (regardless what out-of-the-loop fans say) uses ANNOUNCED attendance figures.
Only reason USF's actual attendance is known is that they do not own their own stadium and for per-diem/fan/contracts/policy reasons, Tampa Stadium Authority releases actual attendance figures. (Same thing that is done in Orlando with the Magic).
Announced attendance will always be larger...but compared to others, USF seems to give out the most free/trade-out tickets that rarely ever get used (or even get to end users), which is why even their FSU game, they had 11,000 "no-shows".
Your right, USF uses announced attendance which is higher than tickets scanned. But if you know anything about anything, you know that announcing higher attendance is INDUSTRY STANDARD. I don't care if you are talking NCAA, NFL, NBA, MLB, MLS, or whatever. This happens across the board, including at every single AAC school. For those that say otherwise...you're just wrong. I don't know what to tell you. You are wrong. Period. The thing is, no one knows what the actual amount of bodies is in most stadiums because it isn't known/announced. Therefore, it is just "assumed" that some schools announce bigger crowds versus others, when this isn't really known, unless as you say the actuals are released, per the TSA or Orlando Magic, etc.
My issue is not with you, it's with the uneducated fan who thinks his school is special and doesn't follow industry standard for coming up with announced attendance.
I know..hence the mention in bold.
Orlando Magic, which gives out scores of comp/trade-out tickets, had one of their worst seasons ever (easily their worst since moving into their new building), as they only averaged only 12,681 fans per game in actual attendance, while they announced attendance was 16,180.
Magic lost a ton of money when fans don't even use free tickets (let alone tix that had been pre-paid), as they miss out on parking, merchandise sales, concessions, alcohol sales, etc....
(09-04-2014 11:05 AM)invisiblehand Wrote: I think (and this is a bit speculatory) that Tulsa builds in its student attendance into its figures automatically. They charge each student a mandatory "activity fee" of ~100 bucks per semester that is designed for free game attendance as well as any free activities on campus (free lunches, fairs, concerts etc...)
I believe that's why our actual attendance and our announced can vary by roughly 4K for any given game. Sometimes the students choose to show, sometimes they're studying or just disinterested.
If Tulsa is counting attendance like that, it is against NCAA regulations. Student attendance based on a mandatory activity fee can only be counted if students actually show up to the game.
Once again, speculatory.
(This post was last modified: 09-04-2014 01:59 PM by invisiblehand.)
The point I was making is that yes all schools inflate by announcing tickets distributed but it's a well known fact that usf does it significantly more. To announce 50% more tickets than were actually there is hilariously shameful.
Again all schools do it but usf abuses it more than anyone.
(09-04-2014 02:06 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: Again all schools do it but usf abuses it more than anyone.
Thankfully, Tulane won't have to abuse that rule anymore. In the past, they were notorious for announcing 20,000 when there were 5,000 people in attendance. Now they are sold out, baby.
Clearly, USF needs to build a campus stadium. It would cure this disease.
(09-04-2014 02:06 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: Again all schools do it but usf abuses it more than anyone.
Thankfully, Tulane won't have to abuse that rule anymore. In the past, they were notorious for announcing 20,000 when there were 5,000 people in attendance. Now they are sold out, baby.
Clearly, USF needs to build a campus stadium. It would cure this disease.
As far as the OCS, I agree!
Plop a 40-50K stadium on campus and we're good to go.
BTW, attendance will go back to 2006-1010 levels (45-52K announced) when USF gets back to winning ways. Unfortunately for most of us, wins = more fans, losses = less fans.
(09-04-2014 10:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote: Tampa Tribune Sports Writer sent out this tweet in regards to USF's Season Opening Attendance vs Western Carolina:
(09-04-2014 10:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote: Tampa Tribune Sports Writer sent out this tweet in regards to USF's Season Opening Attendance vs Western Carolina:
(09-04-2014 10:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote: Tampa Tribune Sports Writer sent out this tweet in regards to USF's Season Opening Attendance vs Western Carolina:
I guess 32% of their fans with tickets just got "lost" en route to RJs.
That would be a legit excuse...especially with all the insane contruction going on I-275 (moving lanes, closing exits, I think no Dale Mabry exit, etc...).
Flew out of TIA to Ireland 2 weeks ago...and yeah, the entire area is a mess (on the 275).
(09-04-2014 11:05 AM)invisiblehand Wrote: I think (and this is a bit speculatory) that Tulsa builds in its student attendance into its figures automatically. They charge each student a mandatory "activity fee" of ~100 bucks per semester that is designed for free game attendance as well as any free activities on campus (free lunches, fairs, concerts etc...)
I believe that's why our actual attendance and our announced can vary by roughly 4K for any given game. Sometimes the students choose to show, sometimes they're studying or just disinterested.
If Tulsa is counting attendance like that, it is against NCAA regulations. Student attendance based on a mandatory activity fee can only be counted if students actually show up to the game.
Ya I don't think that's right. Student section tickets can also be sold to the general public.
Tulane had students lined up at 4am around the block to purchase tickets for the Georgia Tech game this weekend. It reminded me of the lines to purchase men's basketball tickets on campus against Louisville basketball in the Tulane Coach Perry Clark era or even at Cameron arena. Times have changed drastically at Tulane now that football is back on campus.
(This post was last modified: 09-04-2014 05:16 PM by Savacool.)
(08-30-2014 01:39 PM)ncbeta Wrote: I know what y'all are thinking "oh great, an ECU fan with an attendance thread." Really though, I was pretty excited to see how full Houston's stadium was last night.
So far:
Houston: 40,755
UConn: 35,150 Tulsa: 19,032
I fail to see how that's so bad.
Look at Tulsa compared to some other private schools....
Tulsa- 4.3k students/20k 4 year fb avg.
Syracuse- 21k students, 39k
NW- 18k, 36k (with regional traveling fan bases)
Duke- 14k/26k.
Northwestern has 8500 undergrads and are on the quarter system; fall term doesn't start till the last Monday in September which holds down attendance.
Michigan State announced a sellout crowd of over 75,000. The upper deck section that is 95% empty is part of the student section. It never filled in. This is how the game is played.
(This post was last modified: 09-04-2014 07:38 PM by CornellCoog.)
(09-04-2014 08:09 PM)KnightLight Wrote: FIU recently banned the beat writer from the Miami Herald as the reporter repeatedly blew the lid on FIU's "fake" attendance numbers.
Here's a funny shot video on the laughable "announced" attendance figures at FIU.
Here are FIU's reported ticket sales for the entire athletic program for the past 4 years, so they are obviously struggling in a lot of areas.
$643,154
$987,487
$708,319
$510,751
We've all got areas to work on, but they do seem to have a real hill to climb.
Frankly, I'm not a stickler for perfect attendance reporting as long as paid attendance plus legitimate freebees, such as student tickets are what is reported. There can be a lot of reasons why folks don't attend when they have a purchased ticket; but the reported attendance should be believable when compared to ticket revenue.
(This post was last modified: 09-04-2014 09:28 PM by oldtiger.)
(09-04-2014 12:42 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: "They're trying to fool John Q. Public," said Dr. Michael Jackson, director of the graduate sports and recreation administration program at Temple University.
For the love of god, I had Dr. Jackson at Temple. Please don't quote him and take anything he says seriously.
(09-04-2014 12:45 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote: Point is this, if Pitt and Penn State are fudging numbers, then UConn, and whoever else fudges numbers also. They count the band, vendors, comp tickets, giveaways, and estimates to come up with announced. Let me repeat for those of you who did not get it. Everyone does this. Your school is not different or special.
That point is utterly nonsense when UConn fans have pointed out several facts to you guys several times.
UConn basketball is the same way. Season ticket count is ABOVE the report of certain home games (against drubs).
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