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Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
This guy would like to see it.

http://www.underdogdynasty.com/2014/8/21...conference

Te old SWC was full of high flying offense that was exciting to watch. Houston's Andre Ware brought the program more notoriety than ever before. The SWC was also full of renegades, highlighted by SMU and their fat wallets. We need more of Eric Dickerson and his gold hot rod. For any of the negatives that the old conference represented, it also brings back memories of rivalries and just plain old fun.

With the death of the WAC, the unsteady position of Idaho and New Mexico State, and the overall spread out vastness of the Sun Belt, I start thinking about what would happen if a new conference based on schools mostly between the Mississippi River and the Rocky Mountains came into being.

You would have to start with football programs that already play at the FBS level. Arkansas State, Louisiana-Lafayette, Texas State, Idaho, and New Mexico State come to mind. Do those schools really have much in common with the Alabama and Georgia schools that make up the core of the Sun Belt? The Sun Belt seems destined to evolve more into an eastern league with the addition of Appalachian State and the discussion of adding programs like Liberty, James Madison, and Eastern Kentucky.

The key would be forming a new league that highlighted high flying offense in addition to high quality basketball. That's where the western schools of the Missouri Valley come in. Wichita State needs to bring back football and they already have a 30,000 seat stadium in place. Creighton is gone, so what would be holding them back? Missouri State has been flirting with the idea of moving up and Northern Iowa could join Idaho as another dome team in the new conference.

Arkansas State, Idaho, Louisiana-Lafayette, Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Texas State, and Wichita State would be an awesome foundation to a new conference. The basketball would be outstanding. Wichita State, Missouri State, and New Mexico State have a history together in the old Missouri Valley Conference when it sponsored football. North Texas and Tulsa were also part of the fun. Denver and Texas-Arlington would be good additions if they added football, or maybe a Western Illinois, Lamar, or Houston Baptist would move up and join the fun.

There are too many logistics to starting a new conference for this to ever work, but that's the kind of thing that rolls around inside my empty brain.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
The SBC has an opportunity with schools in 3 timezones to try to build a coast 2 coast football conference that would be a real alternative to the other G5 leagues.

Going out and trying to add NDSU (FB only), Missouri St, UMass (FB only) would change the identity of the conference from one that is a feeder to CUSA to one that is more nationally based.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
Idaho and "awesome foundation to a new conference" just don't seem to go together for me.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
(08-21-2014 04:48 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Idaho and "awesome foundation to a new conference" just don't seem to go together for me.

Good rivalries potentially.

Idaho/NDSU
NMSU/TXST
Missouri St/Arkansas St
ULL/ULM
USA/Troy
Georgia St/Georgia Southern
App St/Liberty

I like the chemistry in that football conference a lot. That is what Benson should be tasked to do, improve chemistry in the conference.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
(08-21-2014 05:02 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 04:48 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Idaho and "awesome foundation to a new conference" just don't seem to go together for me.

Good rivalries potentially.

Idaho/NDSU
NMSU/TXST
Missouri St/Arkansas St
ULL/ULM
USA/Troy
Georgia St/Georgia Southern
App St/Liberty

I like the chemistry in that football conference a lot. That is what Benson should be tasked to do, improve chemistry in the conference.

Idaho and NDSU are 1200 miles apart... not sure there is a rivalry or travel partner there. stAte is the currently the closest program to NDSU at 900 miles. Not taking anything away from NDSU and they would make a great addition, but Montana would be a better fit for Idaho.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
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Personally I miss the old SWC.
The old SWC will never be brought back to life by Doctor Frankenstein.
No matter how many lightning strikes he could corral.

Few remember that SWC team of Phillips.

But they certainly remember coaches like Paul "Bear" Bryant, Darrell Royal, Frank Broyles, Hayden Fry, and Lou Holtz.

Or players like: Mike Singletary, John David Crow, Lance Alworth, and Eric Dickerson, Sammy Baugh, Bobby Layne, Doak Walker,
Tom Landry, Bob Lilly, Don Meredith,Earl Campbell, and Andre Ware.

SMU getting the death penalty didn't just about kill them in football, but crippled and put the SWC into a death spiral also.

Man the SWC had innovation and pazazz.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
(08-21-2014 05:02 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 04:48 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Idaho and "awesome foundation to a new conference" just don't seem to go together for me.

Good rivalries potentially.

Idaho/NDSU
NMSU/TXST
Missouri St/Arkansas St
ULL/ULM
USA/Troy
Georgia St/Georgia Southern
App St/Liberty

I like the chemistry in that football conference a lot. That is what Benson should be tasked to do, improve chemistry in the conference.

kit - don't link App State vs Liberty. We have one true rivalry with Georgia Southern. That's it. Will never be LU as a rivalry.
You do it again and I am going to "out you".
OK, going to go ahead and out you. You are an Ohio fan.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
OT but Did y'all just give Western the jug as a parting gift?
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
(08-21-2014 05:49 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  OT but Did y'all just give Western the jug as a parting gift?

If this is true that is badass in my book.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
(08-21-2014 05:49 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  OT but Did y'all just give Western the jug as a parting gift?

Nah, we wouldn't want them with a tear in their eyes every time they looked at it.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
We like a tight footprint, notice we have no schools in states along the Pacific Coast, or the Great Lakes.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
(08-21-2014 05:34 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 05:02 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 04:48 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Idaho and "awesome foundation to a new conference" just don't seem to go together for me.

Good rivalries potentially.

Idaho/NDSU
NMSU/TXST
Missouri St/Arkansas St
ULL/ULM
USA/Troy
Georgia St/Georgia Southern
App St/Liberty

I like the chemistry in that football conference a lot. That is what Benson should be tasked to do, improve chemistry in the conference.

kit - don't link App State vs Liberty. We have one true rivalry with Georgia Southern. That's it. Will never be LU as a rivalry.
You do it again and I am going to "out you".
OK, going to go ahead and out you. You are an Ohio fan.

How far is Georgia Southern from Appalachian State?

Its like Ohio trying to say its true rival is Temple.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
(08-21-2014 09:03 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 05:34 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 05:02 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 04:48 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Idaho and "awesome foundation to a new conference" just don't seem to go together for me.

Good rivalries potentially.

Idaho/NDSU
NMSU/TXST
Missouri St/Arkansas St
ULL/ULM
USA/Troy
Georgia St/Georgia Southern
App St/Liberty

I like the chemistry in that football conference a lot. That is what Benson should be tasked to do, improve chemistry in the conference.

kit - don't link App State vs Liberty. We have one true rivalry with Georgia Southern. That's it. Will never be LU as a rivalry.
You do it again and I am going to "out you".
OK, going to go ahead and out you. You are an Ohio fan.

How far is Georgia Southern from Appalachian State?

Its like Ohio trying to say its true rival is Temple.

It's roughly the same distance from App to Southern as it is Ohio to Liberty. You should play 'em.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
(08-21-2014 05:02 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Good rivalries potentially.

Idaho/NDSU
NMSU/TXST
Missouri St/Arkansas St
ULL/ULM
USA/Troy
Georgia St/Georgia Southern
App St/Liberty

I like the chemistry in that football conference a lot. That is what Benson should be tasked to do, improve chemistry in the conference.

NMSU and Texas State? There are approximately 700 miles between us. What makes rivalries great are when the fans can get involved (mainly students). Students won't be traveling 700 miles to New Mexico, most likely.

Not a good breakdown of rivalries if you ask me.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
I don't think the SOUTHWEST CONFERENCE name is available. And what's a Liberty?
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(08-21-2014 10:31 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  I don't think the SOUTHWEST CONFERENCE name is available. And what's a Liberty?

A school you will never be associated with
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
(08-21-2014 10:31 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  I don't think the SOUTHWEST CONFERENCE name is available. And what's a Liberty?

SWC name is available and someone with TXST ties has the "in" on it. (as was discussed on BCF forum a couple of years ago)
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
(08-21-2014 09:03 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 05:34 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 05:02 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 04:48 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Idaho and "awesome foundation to a new conference" just don't seem to go together for me.

Good rivalries potentially.

Idaho/NDSU
NMSU/TXST
Missouri St/Arkansas St
ULL/ULM
USA/Troy
Georgia St/Georgia Southern
App St/Liberty

I like the chemistry in that football conference a lot. That is what Benson should be tasked to do, improve chemistry in the conference.

kit - don't link App State vs Liberty. We have one true rivalry with Georgia Southern. That's it. Will never be LU as a rivalry.
You do it again and I am going to "out you".
OK, going to go ahead and out you. You are an Ohio fan.

How far is Georgia Southern from Appalachian State?

Its like Ohio trying to say its true rival is Temple.

What do you think you have to be butt cheek to butt cheek for two schools to be rivals with each other. Maybe in the MAC area a high school mentality of how close your high school is prevails but not in the real world.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
(08-21-2014 09:31 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 09:03 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 05:34 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 05:02 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 04:48 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Idaho and "awesome foundation to a new conference" just don't seem to go together for me.

Good rivalries potentially.

Idaho/NDSU
NMSU/TXST
Missouri St/Arkansas St
ULL/ULM
USA/Troy
Georgia St/Georgia Southern
App St/Liberty

I like the chemistry in that football conference a lot. That is what Benson should be tasked to do, improve chemistry in the conference.

kit - don't link App State vs Liberty. We have one true rivalry with Georgia Southern. That's it. Will never be LU as a rivalry.
You do it again and I am going to "out you".
OK, going to go ahead and out you. You are an Ohio fan.

How far is Georgia Southern from Appalachian State?

Its like Ohio trying to say its true rival is Temple.

It's roughly the same distance from App to Southern as it is Ohio to Liberty. You should play 'em.

Better yet, be rivals with them. Christians vs Lions.....OK, really Flames vs Bobcats, but close enough for Liberty -vs- Ohio rivalry.
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RE: Astate, La La, TXST, Idaho, NMSU...the new SWC?
I'm really not sure we are going to make it through the final week without going insane.
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