(08-19-2014 09:23 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:34 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  MAC screwed up, they could've gotten a huge payday taking it to the open market and getting NBC/NBCSN involved in a bidding war. I wonder who's next MWC (already have a basketball agreement with them) or SBC.


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Like we did? How did that work out.................

Yeah, but I think the MAC is actually underpaid. Our offer was great.

(08-19-2014 09:45 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 09:23 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:34 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  MAC screwed up, they could've gotten a huge payday taking it to the open market and getting NBC/NBCSN involved in a bidding war. I wonder who's next MWC (already have a basketball agreement with them) or SBC.


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Like we did? How did that work out.................

Yeah, but I think the MAC is actually underpaid. Our offer was AN INSULT.

FIFY

(08-19-2014 09:59 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 09:45 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 09:23 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:34 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  MAC screwed up, they could've gotten a huge payday taking it to the open market and getting NBC/NBCSN involved in a bidding war. I wonder who's next MWC (already have a basketball agreement with them) or SBC.


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Like we did? How did that work out.................

Yeah, but I think the MAC is actually underpaid. Our offer was AN INSULT.

FIFY

Sorry, I thought he was referring to this one:

In May 2011, the Big East turned down a TV broadcast rights deal from ESPN reportedly worth $11 million per school -- annually. Rights fees for conferences had been on the rise, and conference leaders were sure waiting for a better offer would pay off in a big way.

(08-19-2014 09:23 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:34 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  MAC screwed up, they could've gotten a huge payday taking it to the open market and getting NBC/NBCSN involved in a bidding war. I wonder who's next MWC (already have a basketball agreement with them) or SBC.


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Like we did? How did that work out.................

Different circumstances. Other than Temple and UMass the MAC has been extremely stable while the American was replacing what? 75% of the league and basically starting from scratch. I guarantee if we have these teams and had been as stable as the MAC we would've gotten paid better.


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Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN · 51s
More info from industry source on new MAC/ESPN deal: worth 10M/year over last 10 years

(08-20-2014 09:07 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN · 51s
More info from industry source on new MAC/ESPN deal: worth 10M/year over last 10 years

So if they stay at 12 (after UMass leaves) that's 0.83 million per school per year.

(08-20-2014 09:07 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN · 51s
More info from industry source on new MAC/ESPN deal: worth 10M/year over last 10 years

Something is really rotten in college sports when a school like Purdue or Iowa can make twice as much from their media deal than the entire MAC. This stinks.

(08-20-2014 09:13 AM)DSquiz Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:07 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN · 51s
More info from industry source on new MAC/ESPN deal: worth 10M/year over last 10 years

So if they stay at 12 (after UMass leaves) that's 0.83 million per school per year.

Gets them pretty close to what C-USA makes and is a massive increase vs what they were getting.

(08-20-2014 09:28 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:13 AM)DSquiz Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:07 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN · 51s
More info from industry source on new MAC/ESPN deal: worth 10M/year over last 10 years

So if they stay at 12 (after UMass leaves) that's 0.83 million per school per year.

Gets them pretty close to what C-USA makes and is a massive increase vs what they were getting.

Agree. The MAC was ridiculously underpaid. Because they were so underpaid, I doubt we will be able to match thier percentage of increase. I still think we can end up at 5-10 million a school (probably closer to the 5 than 10). I'm just not sure we can do I at the 3 year mark. We may need to wait untihe loser to when the current deal expires so the threat of the open market is more viable. It would also help greatly if we had more than just a single outside bidder.

(08-20-2014 09:26 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:07 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN · 51s
More info from industry source on new MAC/ESPN deal: worth 10M/year over last 10 years

Something is really rotten in college sports when a school like Purdue or Iowa can make twice as much from their media deal than the entire MAC. This stinks.

Dude, they are making more than the entire AAC as well. Same for Wake Forest, TCU, Iowa State, Washington State and Oregon. Look at the ratings for those schools and they don't do as well as schools like UC, UConn, UCF and Houston.

The whole system is unjust.

(08-20-2014 09:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:26 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:07 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN · 51s
More info from industry source on new MAC/ESPN deal: worth 10M/year over last 10 years

Something is really rotten in college sports when a school like Purdue or Iowa can make twice as much from their media deal than the entire MAC. This stinks.

Dude, they are making more than the entire AAC as well. Same for Wake Forest, TCU, Iowa State, Washington State and Oregon. Look at the ratings for those schools and they don't do as well as schools like UC, UConn, UCF and Houston.

The whole system is unjust.

I can see how Oregon might do well, but what possible justification is there for Oregon State or Baylor or Kansas State to be getting paid that kind of money? Hell you can even through North Carolina State, Mississippi, Vanderbilt Arizona Sate and Indiana into that equation.

(08-20-2014 09:49 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:26 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:07 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN · 51s
More info from industry source on new MAC/ESPN deal: worth 10M/year over last 10 years

Something is really rotten in college sports when a school like Purdue or Iowa can make twice as much from their media deal than the entire MAC. This stinks.

Dude, they are making more than the entire AAC as well. Same for Wake Forest, TCU, Iowa State, Washington State and Oregon. Look at the ratings for those schools and they don't do as well as schools like UC, UConn, UCF and Houston.

The whole system is unjust.

I can see how Oregon might do well, but what possible justification is there for Oregon State or Baylor or Kansas State to be getting paid that kind of money? Hell you can even through North Carolina State, Mississippi, Vanderbilt Arizona Sate and Indiana into that equation.

They are reaping the benefits of membership in an equal revenue sharing conference with members such as Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Nebraska; Oregon, USC, Stanford, and UCLA; FSU, Clemson, VT, and Miami; Oklahoma and Texas; or Alabama, LSU, Florida, and Georgia. Their commissioners were able to convince the leagues' big dogs that they should allow their conference brethren to receive the same amount they do, even though those bigger name schools are most responsible for their respective leagues' TV revenue. Purdue, Wake Forest, Baylor, and many others are very fortunate to have the setup that they do.

I am not saying it's fair. It's just the way it is.

to put the MAC's $124 million/13yr deal into context, based on the terms of the CFP contract with ESPN, over the next 12 years each P5 conference will receive at least $180m more than all of the G5 conferences combined.

(08-20-2014 01:11 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  to put the MAC's $124 million/13yr deal into context, based on the terms of the CFP contract with ESPN, over the next 12 years each P5 conference will receive at least $180m more than all of the G5 conferences combined.

lets wait and see what the AAC new media deal looks like in 5 years first

(08-20-2014 01:11 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  to put the MAC's $124 million/13yr deal into context, based on the terms of the CFP contract with ESPN, over the next 12 years each P5 conference will receive at least $180m more than all of the G5 conferences combined.

As far as the CFP money goes, everyone gets a share of that. 124/13/12 = roughly $795k per team/year, excluding the CFP money, which still falls very short of what each American team earns from its ESPN deal.

Also, there's also the old Big East war chest that is still in our coffers.

And with the successful inaugural season (Fiesta Bowl win vs B12 champion, Men's and Women's Nat'l championships), the midway point look-in (after year 3) looks more promising for a big jump as time goes on.

(08-20-2014 12:08 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:49 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:26 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:07 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN · 51s
More info from industry source on new MAC/ESPN deal: worth 10M/year over last 10 years

Something is really rotten in college sports when a school like Purdue or Iowa can make twice as much from their media deal than the entire MAC. This stinks.

Dude, they are making more than the entire AAC as well. Same for Wake Forest, TCU, Iowa State, Washington State and Oregon. Look at the ratings for those schools and they don't do as well as schools like UC, UConn, UCF and Houston.

The whole system is unjust.

I can see how Oregon might do well, but what possible justification is there for Oregon State or Baylor or Kansas State to be getting paid that kind of money? Hell you can even through North Carolina State, Mississippi, Vanderbilt Arizona Sate and Indiana into that equation.

They are reaping the benefits of membership in an equal revenue sharing conference with members such as Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Nebraska; Oregon, USC, Stanford, and UCLA; FSU, Clemson, VT, and Miami; Oklahoma and Texas; or Alabama, LSU, Florida, and Georgia. Their commissioners were able to convince the leagues' big dogs that they should allow their conference brethren to receive the same amount they do, even though those bigger name schools are most responsible for their respective leagues' TV revenue. Purdue, Wake Forest, Baylor, and many others are very fortunate to have the setup that they do.

I am not saying it's fair. It's just the way it is.

I think it would be MUCH harder for individual programs within the same league to claim a bigger pot than others. That would clearly be collusion, no doubt about it. But it's a little easier to make league decisions as a unit, because Mike Slive has no obligations to the well being of ECU, Houston, or Marshall University.

So MAC goes from 100k per team per year to 600k.

Apples to Apples, if the AAC got the same rate, we're sitting at 12 mil per team per year.

If you go by Average TV rating per conference, we only have a 23.1% bonus over the MAC, but have substantially more games aired (last year) which would net us in the range of only 2.5 mill per year.

If you weight it by team rank, UCF(40) was ~20 ranks higher than the MAC's highest (59), probably good for a very rough +30%, or $2.6 Million.

Soooo....

Unless we lockdown the ratings and the At Large spot, and sneak a team into the CFP... we're looking at MAYBE $4 mill (inflation) per year per team. Our absolute max is $12 mill under perfect conditions and long term.

(08-20-2014 02:11 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  So MAC goes from 100k per team per year to 600k.

Apples to Apples, if the AAC got the same rate, we're sitting at 12 mil per team per year.

If you go by Average TV rating per conference, we only have a 23.1% bonus over the MAC, but have substantially more games aired (last year) which would net us in the range of only 2.5 mill per year.

If you weight it by team rank, UCF(40) was ~20 ranks higher than the MAC's highest (59), probably good for a very rough +30%, or $2.6 Million.

Soooo....

Unless we lockdown the ratings and the At Large spot, and sneak a team into the CFP... we're looking at MAYBE $4 mill (inflation) per year per team. Our absolute max is $12 mill under perfect conditions and long term.

My gut says 6-8 is the sweet spot.

(08-20-2014 02:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 02:11 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  So MAC goes from 100k per team per year to 600k.

Apples to Apples, if the AAC got the same rate, we're sitting at 12 mil per team per year.

If you go by Average TV rating per conference, we only have a 23.1% bonus over the MAC, but have substantially more games aired (last year) which would net us in the range of only 2.5 mill per year.

If you weight it by team rank, UCF(40) was ~20 ranks higher than the MAC's highest (59), probably good for a very rough +30%, or $2.6 Million.

Soooo....

Unless we lockdown the ratings and the At Large spot, and sneak a team into the CFP... we're looking at MAYBE $4 mill (inflation) per year per team. Our absolute max is $12 mill under perfect conditions and long term.

My gut says 6-8 is the sweet spot.

I think if we can lure Army and BYU, we can hit that $12 mill per year per team mark. Fingers crossed.

(08-20-2014 01:31 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:11 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  to put the MAC's $124 million/13yr deal into context, based on the terms of the CFP contract with ESPN, over the next 12 years each P5 conference will receive at least $180m more than all of the G5 conferences combined.

lets wait and see what the AAC new media deal looks like in 5 years first

media deals have nothing to do with the play off money. I'm referring to the 12 year, College Football Playoffs contract between ESPN and the 10 conferences that make up FBS. It's the actual reason the terms "P5" and "G5" (formerly AQ non AQ )were created, so the revenue distribution could be HEAVILY weighted to 5 conferences specifically. The revenue cut by percentage is approx. 70/27 with the remaining 3 going to independents (mostly ND).

Conservative estimates show that over the 12 year term of the deal the revenue split will equate to the P5 earning $900m more than G5 over those 12 years. $900m more for 5 conferences= $180m more per conference.

The point is, regardless of what media contracts we get independently as conferences the disparity in revenue for the P5 vs the G5 is so massive that it can't be overcome. This is in reference to the comments about crappy P5 programs like Wake and NWestern earning significantly more than successful programs like Boise and Cinci because revenue is unfairly distributed by conference, not team.